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OK....as the next repercussion falls on us, when do we realize that this may have been a bit of an over-reaction in some cases and the consequences are just too dangerous for our economy.
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Tell that to the folks in NYC. Come on now. You know very well without them shutting down they would be look at casualties way higher. The flu doesn't even come close to the overload this crap brings all at one time.
I am not for shutting down the country over this. Take the unhealthy and old out of the equation. Why is the country shut down? why are a bunch of other countries shut down? I know all of the flu stats. I don't get this one other than it's highly contagious and it can take you down fast . If you scaled it to 150 million people infected in the USA. Then that 2-9% doesn't look so good. That higher % will be in the old,maybe even higher than that.
Just the flu has never had an impact like this. This is just nuts and what are we looking at? Another month? Two months perhaps.
New York released their data on fatalities broken down by age, sex, race.
83% of fatalities were over 60, 63% were over 70.
88% had at least one other health issue (comorbidity).
https://covid19tracker.health.ny.go...ker-Fatalities?:embed=yes&:toolbar=no&:tabs=n
I'm with you S4V.....
It’s past time to let people go on with their lives. Especially young people. If you are old or in poor health it should be YOUR responsibility to watch out for your health. This hysteria needs to end!
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21 million Chinese died of coronavirus – US intelligence officials intercept data
I am not familiar with this source. If true, then China withheld critical information from the world, resulting in massive damage, and needs to be held responsible. I don't know what that should/would look like.
I am not familiar with this source. If true, then China withheld critical information from the world, resulting in massive damage, and needs to be held responsible. I don't know what that should/would look like.
If true, we have been treating this disease wrong.
http://web.archive.org/web/20200405...ht-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb
http://web.archive.org/web/20200405...ht-have-finally-found-its-secret-91182386efcb
China murdered everyone with the disease... again this story has been out there since the news of it broke and its why some of the right wing extremists went into a panic over it
They literally burned everyone with it alive. Its going to be a gruesome revelation aftervthis is done
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Sure it is. I’m still working but not looking at my 401k. I don’t even want to know.
There’s a huge misconception that the economic hit is solely the fault of lockdown. It’s not. Until there’s a vaccine and COVID-19 is a thing of the past, it will continue to hurt the economy, opened up or not. One month in, thinking things would have been much different or even better without a lock down only serves to support your indignation. There’s a reason the entire world took the lock down approach in one form or another.
Starting to see this trend over and over...many sources saying vents are bad and that we have been treating it wrong. Here's another angle. Thoughts?
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MD Is Seeing Patients With Symptoms That Resemble High Altitude Sickness, Not Pneumonia
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/br...m-we-are-treating-covid-patients-incorrectly/
“I am a physician who has been working at the bedside of COVID+ patients in NYC. I believe we are treating the wrong disease and that we must change what we are doing if we want to save as many lives as possible.”
“In February, South Korean physicians reported that critical Covid-19 patients responded well to oxygen therapy without a ventilator. Patients are getting multiple organ damage from hypoxia. It’s not the pneumonia that’s the killer, it’s the cellular oxygen deprivation. And we are hurting these patients with ventilators.”
The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs.
Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.
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MD Is Seeing Patients With Symptoms That Resemble High Altitude Sickness, Not Pneumonia
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/br...m-we-are-treating-covid-patients-incorrectly/
“I am a physician who has been working at the bedside of COVID+ patients in NYC. I believe we are treating the wrong disease and that we must change what we are doing if we want to save as many lives as possible.”
“In February, South Korean physicians reported that critical Covid-19 patients responded well to oxygen therapy without a ventilator. Patients are getting multiple organ damage from hypoxia. It’s not the pneumonia that’s the killer, it’s the cellular oxygen deprivation. And we are hurting these patients with ventilators.”
The past 48 hours or so have seen a huge revelation: COVID-19 causes prolonged and progressive hypoxia (starving your body of oxygen) by binding to the heme groups in hemoglobin in your red blood cells. People are simply desaturating (losing o2 in their blood), and that’s what eventually leads to organ failures that kill them, not any form of ARDS or pneumonia. All the damage to the lungs you see in CT scans are from the release of oxidative iron from the hemes, this overwhelms the natural defenses against pulmonary oxidative stress and causes that nice, always-bilateral ground glass opacity in the lungs.
Patients returning for re-hospitalization days or weeks after recovery suffering from apparent delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy strengthen the notion COVID-19 patients are suffering from hypoxia despite no signs of respiratory ‘tire out’ or fatigue.
This is the type of **** that infuriates me. Almost literally every day, we get new wildly varying data. Now we learn from the CDC that the virus can travel 13 feet in the air.
A week or so ago we were all talking about how it could travel 27 feet in the air. Now it's 13.
1-2million will die. Wait, 100-240K will die. Wait....90K will die. Whoops, we meant 60K will die.
Now that it can be carried on shoes, how long before we are locked in our homes and must opt for Government-provided home food delivery in the name of "public safety?"
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The coronavirus spreads at least 13 feet, travels on shoes: CDC
The coronavirus can travel through the air at least 13 feet — more than twice as far as social distancing guidelines, according to a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Research published in the federal agency’s Emerging Infectious Diseases journal shows the contagion spreading much farther than previous official suggestions — and also getting spread on people’s shoes.
“The aerosol distribution characteristics … indicate that the transmission distance of [COVID-19] might be 4 m,” the report says, translating as more than 13 feet.
“Furthermore, half of the samples from the soles of the ICU medical staff shoes tested positive,” the researchers wrote of samples taken at Huoshenshan Hospital in Wuhan.
“Therefore, the soles of medical staff shoes might function as carriers.”
The report, based on research by a team at the Academy of Military Medical Sciences in Beijing, appears to reaffirm fears that the current social distancing guidelines of 6 feet may not be enough.
It also suggests people — especially medical staff on the front lines — could inadvertently be spreading the bug away from its source, recommending stringent disinfecting measures.
High levels were also found on frequently touched surfaces like computer mice, trash cans and bed rails.
The CDC recommends 6 feet for social distancing, while the World Health Organization claims just 3 feet should be enough, less than a quarter of the distance the current study suggests the bug spreads.
Research last month said the virus could travel up to 27 feet. However, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, called that “terribly misleading,” saying it would require a “very, very robust, vigorous, achoo sneeze” to travel that far and the scenario was “not practical.”
A week or so ago we were all talking about how it could travel 27 feet in the air. Now it's 13.
1-2million will die. Wait, 100-240K will die. Wait....90K will die. Whoops, we meant 60K will die.
Now that it can be carried on shoes, how long before we are locked in our homes and must opt for Government-provided home food delivery in the name of "public safety?"
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The coronavirus spreads at least 13 feet, travels on shoes: CDC
The coronavirus can travel through the air at least 13 feet — more than twice as far as social distancing guidelines, according to a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Research published in the federal agency’s Emerging Infectious Diseases journal shows the contagion spreading much farther than previous official suggestions — and also getting spread on people’s shoes.
“The aerosol distribution characteristics … indicate that the transmission distance of [COVID-19] might be 4 m,” the report says, translating as more than 13 feet.
“Furthermore, half of the samples from the soles of the ICU medical staff shoes tested positive,” the researchers wrote of samples taken at Huoshenshan Hospital in Wuhan.
“Therefore, the soles of medical staff shoes might function as carriers.”
The report, based on research by a team at the Academy of Military Medical Sciences in Beijing, appears to reaffirm fears that the current social distancing guidelines of 6 feet may not be enough.
It also suggests people — especially medical staff on the front lines — could inadvertently be spreading the bug away from its source, recommending stringent disinfecting measures.
High levels were also found on frequently touched surfaces like computer mice, trash cans and bed rails.
The CDC recommends 6 feet for social distancing, while the World Health Organization claims just 3 feet should be enough, less than a quarter of the distance the current study suggests the bug spreads.
Research last month said the virus could travel up to 27 feet. However, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, called that “terribly misleading,” saying it would require a “very, very robust, vigorous, achoo sneeze” to travel that far and the scenario was “not practical.”
For those of you saying deaths are being under-reported.....Alex Berenson, former NYT reporter, has been studying COVID death reporting for weeks and has called out many inconsistencies.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1/ So I don’t want to go too far down the hole of arguing about <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID</a> death counts, but a reader pointed out a very odd change to the way Massachusetts is reporting deaths. Until April 6, the state reported deaths by day - that day, it reported 29. See below.. <a href="https://t.co/1fkkyn3Msu">pic.twitter.com/1fkkyn3Msu</a></p>— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1248720473791385600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2/ But beginning Tuesday, April 7, the state began reporting backdated deaths. The explanation Tuesday was that the deaths included some over the weekend, which made sense. But yesterday’s report - 70 total deaths - includes deaths dated back to March 30</p>— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1248720916084908032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3/ Screenshot attached. Further, as you can see, in many cases the people who died were extremely old - in their 90s or even 100s - and there is no information about whether they had preexisting conditions or even if they were hospitalized. <a href="https://t.co/JoCsYUwevB">pic.twitter.com/JoCsYUwevB</a></p>— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1248721522186952704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">4/ At the very least, this backdating makes it tough to tell what the mortality trend really is - if many of these deaths occurred last week, deaths might be dropping now even if they seem to be rising...</p>— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1248722037188763648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">5/ Further, it highlights the uncertainties around dying WITH as opposed to dying OF Covid. Worst of all, given the very basic data missing here, if some of these people did not have lab-confirmed tests, it may not even be certain that they all died WITH Covid.</p>— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1248722514148306945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1/ So I don’t want to go too far down the hole of arguing about <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID</a> death counts, but a reader pointed out a very odd change to the way Massachusetts is reporting deaths. Until April 6, the state reported deaths by day - that day, it reported 29. See below.. <a href="https://t.co/1fkkyn3Msu">pic.twitter.com/1fkkyn3Msu</a></p>— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1248720473791385600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2/ But beginning Tuesday, April 7, the state began reporting backdated deaths. The explanation Tuesday was that the deaths included some over the weekend, which made sense. But yesterday’s report - 70 total deaths - includes deaths dated back to March 30</p>— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1248720916084908032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3/ Screenshot attached. Further, as you can see, in many cases the people who died were extremely old - in their 90s or even 100s - and there is no information about whether they had preexisting conditions or even if they were hospitalized. <a href="https://t.co/JoCsYUwevB">pic.twitter.com/JoCsYUwevB</a></p>— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1248721522186952704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">4/ At the very least, this backdating makes it tough to tell what the mortality trend really is - if many of these deaths occurred last week, deaths might be dropping now even if they seem to be rising...</p>— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1248722037188763648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">5/ Further, it highlights the uncertainties around dying WITH as opposed to dying OF Covid. Worst of all, given the very basic data missing here, if some of these people did not have lab-confirmed tests, it may not even be certain that they all died WITH Covid.</p>— Alex Berenson (@AlexBerenson) <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1248722514148306945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
That is the same story I cited a few posts back.
And do you know what the best therapy is for it?
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Everyone who claims that COVID-19 is “not even as deadly as the flu” had better declare this story a bunch of ******* bullshit.
how quickly we forget how China treats it's citizens ...
University of Washington data (the same IMHE source) now shows that the average American has less than 2/10ths of one percent chance of getting the virus. And those that do, 98% will survive.
It is.
yeah, I posted that link a few days ago....
still a good read and explanation why President Trump may have been correct.....God forbid
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it's likely bullshit that all 21 million died of COVID since the Chinese government was sealing homes closed if someone had the virus. So, in a family of 3, if one person had it - their homes doors were shut. They could not leave their house - to even get food, toiletries, etc. Their homes were essentially tombs and they waited to die. That's gotta be one helluva way to go. Now, consider that the Chinese population and you can figure that while 21 million people did not die from having the virus themselves, a **** ton of people did die who were either related to or lived in close proximity or were sharing living quarters with someone who either had the virus or visited Wuhan during the time frame where this exploded onto the scene.
https://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/top-large-cities.htm
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The deaths have already surpassed that by 50% and the cases better fall off a cliff soon not to surpass that.
please show either your source or the math you used to calculate this opinion
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SIL this is nothing personal towards you. I am angry, but not at you. I am angry because all of this wasn’t necessary...at least not to this extent and not in every single corner of the country. And I am angry that the horrific downsides of continuing this approach just seem to be ignored by so many, and that those in power will be too slow to realize that before it’s too late.
tone down your inbred cis-gendered racist xenophobism, you sexist bigot, or be shown the power of negative karma!
Wrong. Like Coolie said, justify it, produce your math. You keep using data that ignores the asymptomatic and doesn't account for the estimates on the # of undetected cases out there. Your math is Infected + Deaths. Thus every calculation you use is bogus.
Refute his claims/data below:
- The estimates now from the University of Washington - 60,000 will die of COVID.
- 61,000 is what we lost to the flu in 2017-18.
- We are going to have fewer fatalities from this than the flu.
- If you are an average American (not a diabetic 80 year old) you have a two-tenths of one percent chance of contracting the disease.
- If you get it, you have a 98% chance of recovery
- 300% increase in the suicide hotline
- Increase in the opiod epidemic
- Increase in domestic violence
- CPS can't get to homes to protect kids
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6149012...iHyfYWhKedG5kRqggweKNZVmst03GRE#sp=show-clips
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This Corona thing smells more rotten each passing day.
Didn't the experts, even the president say that the period we are in now was when **** was really gonna hit the fan???
Not feelin it man. Talked to one of my customers today whos friend works at the Cleveland Clinic. He says business at the Clinic is moderate to slow.
Didn't the experts, even the president say that the period we are in now was when **** was really gonna hit the fan???
Not feelin it man. Talked to one of my customers today whos friend works at the Cleveland Clinic. He says business at the Clinic is moderate to slow.
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Not gonna scroll through all 208 pages....
Our governor closed the schools last month while we were on Spring Break. We are closed at least until August, maybe longer. I am "working" from home. Hard to do when you are a one on one para for behaviors, but we are muddling through. The grades have been frozen- so whatever grades the kids had before Spring Break are the grades they get as final. The Continuous Online Learning we are doing is optional. It wont count against the kids if they don't do it, and it will bring their grades up if they do. Its stupid. My fiance works for the cruise lines, and he is working from home. We anticipate he will be laid off here soon. I still work part time at the store, but I'm down to 5 hours a week. It gets me out of the house, though. I take our dogs on walks daily. One goes in the morning and the other in the afternoon. No way in hell am I walking a lab-mastiff mix puppy and a full grown lab at the same time! I tried that once and made it as far as the street. It was like walking an octopus.
Hope everyone is hanging in there. I am sick of being home and want life to be normal. Only so much Netflix I can handle- which if you haven't watched season 3 of OZARK- DO IT NOW- and even I am bored with the ID Channel. (Yes, hell just froze over).
Our governor closed the schools last month while we were on Spring Break. We are closed at least until August, maybe longer. I am "working" from home. Hard to do when you are a one on one para for behaviors, but we are muddling through. The grades have been frozen- so whatever grades the kids had before Spring Break are the grades they get as final. The Continuous Online Learning we are doing is optional. It wont count against the kids if they don't do it, and it will bring their grades up if they do. Its stupid. My fiance works for the cruise lines, and he is working from home. We anticipate he will be laid off here soon. I still work part time at the store, but I'm down to 5 hours a week. It gets me out of the house, though. I take our dogs on walks daily. One goes in the morning and the other in the afternoon. No way in hell am I walking a lab-mastiff mix puppy and a full grown lab at the same time! I tried that once and made it as far as the street. It was like walking an octopus.
Hope everyone is hanging in there. I am sick of being home and want life to be normal. Only so much Netflix I can handle- which if you haven't watched season 3 of OZARK- DO IT NOW- and even I am bored with the ID Channel. (Yes, hell just froze over).