The Coronavirus thread

[Superman]

Not gonna scroll through all 208 pages....

Our governor closed the schools last month while we were on Spring Break. We are closed at least until August, maybe longer. I am "working" from home. Hard to do when you are a one on one para for behaviors, but we are muddling through. The grades have been frozen- so whatever grades the kids had before Spring Break are the grades they get as final. The Continuous Online Learning we are doing is optional. It wont count against the kids if they don't do it, and it will bring their grades up if they do. Its stupid. My fiance works for the cruise lines, and he is working from home. We anticipate he will be laid off here soon. I still work part time at the store, but I'm down to 5 hours a week. It gets me out of the house, though. I take our dogs on walks daily. One goes in the morning and the other in the afternoon. No way in hell am I walking a lab-mastiff mix puppy and a full grown lab at the same time! I tried that once and made it as far as the street. It was like walking an octopus.

Hope everyone is hanging in there. I am sick of being home and want life to be normal. Only so much Netflix I can handle- which if you haven't watched season 3 of OZARK- DO IT NOW- and even I am bored with the ID Channel. (Yes, hell just froze over).

Ogre! CongoRats, my green ninja!

 

[Troglodyte]

Wrong. Like Coolie said, justify it, produce your math. You keep using data that ignores the asymptomatic and doesn't account for the estimates on the # of undetected cases out there. Your math is Infected + Deaths. Thus every calculation you use is bogus.

SMH. I used your data. If there are undetected cases then it’s likely even MORE understated, not less. Again, you struggle with percentages.

US population is approximately 330 Million. Multiply that by .002 = 660,000 cases. Multiply that by .02 = 13,200 deaths.

What’s wrong?

 

[CoolieMan]

tone down your inbred cis-gendered racist xenophobism, you sexist bigot, or be shown the power of negative karma!

don't make me ban you

 

[Steeltime]

I feel like some people who haven't lost their job or aren't staring down the dark tunnel of no revenue for the foreseeable future just don't get it.

Like every government worker?

******* amazing how every time our nation suffers an economic meltdown, those sucking the government titty do just fine, thank you. No layoffs, no wage decrease, no loss of benefits, nothing.

Stupid yokels who pay the freight? **** them. Too bad. We should have been smart enough to find a position doing nothing and getting paid a ton for doing nothing, i.e., government work.

 

[madinsomniac]

Just wait for the exorbitant cost of all the legal fees this spawns... not even martial law eradicates rights and too many govenors and mayors are trying to suspend inalienable rights cause they are too stupid to grasp that concept and are posturing for the media...

 

[Steeltime]

Not gonna scroll through all 208 pages....

Let me summarize:

WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!! It's like the movie "I Am Legend," and no, goddammit, not John Legend! Lock it down, all of it, forever, and have magic government unicorns deliver free **** to use huddling indoors circa 1943 London!!

The data suggest you are overstating this, Trog. Mortality rate nowhere near what was projected and oh, forcing millions into poverty not a good thing

TSF, murderer!! Responsible for more deaths than HITLER!!! Aaaaaahhhh ...........

You're welcome.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Lol some timings never change...Trig the fear monger vs. Tim the fact man...

 

[Steeltime]

SMH. I used your data. If there are undetected cases then it’s likely even MORE understated, not less. Again, you struggle with percentages.

US population is approximately 330 Million. Multiply that by .002 = 660,000 cases. Multiply that by .02 = 13,200 deaths.

What’s wrong?

Math is hard. We have both committed a decimal place error in this thread.

Multiplying by .02 will yield ten times HIGHER an outcome than multiplying by .002. Like this:

320,000,000 x 0.002 = 640,000
320,000,000 x 0.02 = 6,400,000

Oh, and the problem? Both ******* outcomes are way, way, way, way, way, WAY higher than reality. By a factor of 10 or 100, depending.

 

[Roy92040]

Like every government worker?

******* amazing how every time our nation suffers an economic meltdown, those sucking the government titty do just fine, thank you. No layoffs, no wage decrease, no loss of benefits, nothing.

Stupid yokels who pay the freight? **** them. Too bad. We should have been smart enough to find a position doing nothing and getting paid a ton for doing nothing, i.e., government work.

Tell that to all those people who lost their jobs because of base closures. In my 35 year career I had to uproot and relocate twice because someone who had no idea of what was going on decided my job wasn't important anymore.

 

[Steeltime]

Tell that to all those people who lost their jobs because of base closures. In my 35 year career I had to uproot and relocate twice because someone who had no idea of what was going on decided my job wasn't important anymore.

Somebody in government, you mean.

And relocation sucks.

Getting fired and losing everything because of a government-sponsored recession is worse. A lot worse.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

SMH. I used your data. If there are undetected cases then it’s likely even MORE understated, not less.

How can you possibly even make this claim?

Deaths are being measured. In fact, over-inflated.

Those with COVID19 are being vastly UNDER-reported because of the limited testing and because so many have had it and don't know or had it and thought they had a garden variety cold or mild flu and never sought medical care.

The CDC estimates flu cases that are never detected. They are NOT doing this for CV19.

So today 562,742 DETECTED cases of COVID19 and 22,163 deaths. 22,163/562,742 is 3.94%. Those are crap statistics. Because undetected cases aren't baked in.

So let's do a hypothesis. For the sake of ***** and giggles. From the NYT no less: "For every known case of coronavirus, another five to 10 cases are out there"

Let's use 5x the number: That's 2,813,710 undetected cases. Plus the known 562,742 DETECTED cases. Totalling 3,376,542 total CV19 cases. We have 22,163 confirmed deaths. Now the percentage is 0.66%.

Let's use 10x the number, per the NYT: That's 5,627,420 undetected cases. Plus the known 562,742 detected cases. Totalling 6,190,162 total CV19 cases. We have 22,163 confirmed deaths. Now the percentage is .36%.

Or do you now want to make the claim that there are a hundred thousand deaths out there attributed to CV19 that aren't reported?

PS....the gentleman quoted said the average American has a two-tenths of a percent chance of contracting CV19. Given that .002 of 320Million is 640,000 and the actual cases documented to date are 562,742, he's off by 70,000 cases, or a scant rounding error, in his estimates. He should have said less than two tenths of a percent because it's .00176. Obviously his figures will have to change once science estimates the # of undetected cases.

 

[Superman]

Somebody in government, you mean.

And relocation sucks.

Getting fired and losing everything because of a government-sponsored recession is worse. A lot worse.

Unless you're a highly elected official and can vote to give yourself and your buddies a raise. (which didnt happen in THIS stimulus bill, but is coming down the pipeline)

 

[Superman]

How can you possibly even make this claim?

Deaths are being measured. In fact, over-inflated.

Those with COVID19 are being vastly UNDER-reported because of the limited testing and because so many have had it and don't know or had it and thought they had a garden variety cold or mild flu and never sought medical care.

The CDC estimates flu cases that are never detected. They are NOT doing this for CV19.

So today 562,742 DETECTED cases of COVID19 and 22,163 deaths. 22,163/562,742 is 3.94%. Those are crap statistics. Because undetected cases aren't baked in.

So let's do a hypothesis. For the sake of ***** and giggles. From the NYT no less: "For every known case of coronavirus, another five to 10 cases are out there"

Let's use 5x the number: That's 2,813,710 undetected cases. Plus the known 562,742 DETECTED cases. Totalling 3,376,542 total CV19 cases. We have 22,163 confirmed deaths. Now the percentage is 0.66%.

Let's use 10x the number, per the NYT: That's 5,627,420 undetected cases. Plus the known 562,742 detected cases. Totalling 6,190,162 total CV19 cases. We have 22,163 confirmed deaths. Now the percentage is .36%.

Or do you now want to make the claim that there are a hundred thousand deaths out there attributed to CV19 that aren't reported?

PS....the gentleman quoted said the average American has a two-tenths of a percent chance of contracting CV19. Given that .002 of 320Million is 640,000 and the actual cases documented to date are 562,742, he's off by 70,000 cases, or a scant rounding error, in his estimates. He should have said less than two tenths of a percent because it's .00176. Obviously his figures will have to change once science estimates the # of undetected cases.

are you including those deaths where COVID could have been assumed a contributing cause? remember, all deaths now are 100% Chinese Virus related.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Shows I have watched (or am watching) during this stupid *** social distancing thing:

1. Ozark season 3. When I grow up, I wanna be Ruthie. I LOVE her!
2. Peaky Blinders. Netflix show- Cillian Murphy is amazing!
3. Ripper Street- Netflix show set in England at the time of Jack the Ripper
4. TIGER KING!!!!!! Such a trainwreck but I couldn't stop watching!!! And Joe Exotic's mullet- YES!!!!
5. How to Fix a r Drug Scandal
6. The Trials of Gabriel Fernandez
7. Murder Maps
8. Anything and everything on the ID Channel
9. Project Blue Book
10. The Curse of Oak Island
12. The Secrets of Skinwalker Ranch

 

[Sarge]

Like every government worker?

******* amazing how every time our nation suffers an economic meltdown, those sucking the government titty do just fine, thank you. No layoffs, no wage decrease, no loss of benefits, nothing.

Stupid yokels who pay the freight? **** them. Too bad. We should have been smart enough to find a position doing nothing and getting paid a ton for doing nothing, i.e., government work.

I see you on here ripping on government workers. I am employed by the department of defense, so your posts include me. I gather from the stuff you write, that you don’t know a whole lot about government work or the benefits received.

My benefits? I get eye and dental insurance that I pay for. I have life insurance that I pay for. My medical is Tricare for retirees that I get as a result of 24 years of military service, and I pay for that too. If I chose the health plan that my job offered, I wouldn’t be covered for half as much and it would cost more than Tricare. I also get a 401k type thing called the Thrift Savings plan. There is matching to a point, but it doesn’t yield as well as a traditional 401k.

And what do I do? Well, I get to go to third world **** holes like Afghanistan and Iraq without a weapon, get shot at, rocketed, away from my family for six months at a time so that I can ensure that soldiers have working weapons, artillery, mortars and helicopters. And while I am supposedly on telework, I get called in daily to help those same soldiers prepare for gunnery, JRTC, NTC and deployment, exposing myself to respiratory illness and risking bringing that **** home to my immuno-compromised wife. I am not given PPE to protect myself.

I also write daily reports, white papers, MAIRs and CREPS. I help units track down repair parts, teach classes to units that request it, and I travel to participate in joint military exercises with foreign armies.

And for that, I have to have ASE certification in HVAC and electronics at my own expense, obtain a gunsmithing degree, receive manufacturer certification on each weapon system, and I have to re-certify every 5 years. For all of that, I make about $79k, living in New York where the weather sucks and everything costs just a little more. I have a physical annually to ensure I am healthy enough for world-wide deployment. Hell, we don’t even have a union, not that I’d want one.

I don’t know what government workers you know, but I am hardly a lazy, do nothing that gets paid a ton to do nothing. I would invite you to come hang out for a couple days, see what it’s like.

 

[Troglodyte]

Math is hard. We have both committed a decimal place error in this thread.

Multiplying by .02 will yield ten times HIGHER an outcome than multiplying by .002. Like this:

320,000,000 x 0.002 = 640,000
320,000,000 x 0.02 = 6,400,000

Oh, and the problem? Both ******* outcomes are way, way, way, way, way, WAY higher than reality. By a factor of 10 or 100, depending.

No error on my part. Go back and read Tim’s reference to the Washington U model. The first number is cases the second number is deaths. 660,000 and 13,200. Current cases are already approaching 600,000, current deaths exceed 22,000.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

are you including those deaths where COVID could have been assumed a contributing cause? remember, all deaths now are 100% Chinese Virus related.

The deaths reported to date I'm using include all deaths attributed to the disease, deaths we have been told by Dr. Birx where the underlying cause wasn't necessarily CV19 related.

 

[Troglodyte]

How can you possibly even make this claim?

Deaths are being measured. In fact, over-inflated.

Those with COVID19 are being vastly UNDER-reported because of the limited testing and because so many have had it and don't know or had it and thought they had a garden variety cold or mild flu and never sought medical care.

The CDC estimates flu cases that are never detected. They are NOT doing this for CV19.

So today 562,742 DETECTED cases of COVID19 and 22,163 deaths. 22,163/562,742 is 3.94%. Those are crap statistics. Because undetected cases aren't baked in.

So let's do a hypothesis. For the sake of ***** and giggles. From the NYT no less: "For every known case of coronavirus, another five to 10 cases are out there"

Let's use 5x the number: That's 2,813,710 undetected cases. Plus the known 562,742 DETECTED cases. Totalling 3,376,542 total CV19 cases. We have 22,163 confirmed deaths. Now the percentage is 0.66%.

Let's use 10x the number, per the NYT: That's 5,627,420 undetected cases. Plus the known 562,742 detected cases. Totalling 6,190,162 total CV19 cases. We have 22,163 confirmed deaths. Now the percentage is .36%.

Or do you now want to make the claim that there are a hundred thousand deaths out there attributed to CV19 that aren't reported?

PS....the gentleman quoted said the average American has a two-tenths of a percent chance of contracting CV19. Given that .002 of 320Million is 640,000 and the actual cases documented to date are 562,742, he's off by 70,000 cases, or a scant rounding error, in his estimates. He should have said less than two tenths of a percent because it's .00176. Obviously his figures will have to change once science estimates the # of undetected cases.

I used the numbers YOU referred to and showed you the math! So you come back and dismiss the stats AS REPORTED and ask me how I can claim that? JFC!

You can’t cherry pick and have it both ways. You can’t say “cases are only ever under reported, deaths are only ever over reported, there will be tens or hundreds of time more cases found, but absolutely nobody else will die.”

How do you explain 8/9 test coming back negative if cases are 10 times or 100 times under reported?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I used the numbers YOU referred to and showed you the math! So you come back and dismiss the stats AS REPORTED and ask me how I can claim that? JFC!

You can’t cherry pick and have it both ways. You can’t say “cases are only ever under reported, deaths are only ever over reported, there will be tens or hundreds of time more cases found, but absolutely nobody else will die.”

How do you explain 8/9 test coming back negative if cases are 10 times or 100 times under reported?

Holy ****, yes you can say that all deaths are being reported. Not only are ALL deaths of CV19 being reported, but deaths that aren't even due to CV19 are being called CV19 deaths. We have Dr. Birx and the CDC telling us this. We have front line medical personnel SAYING they have been given directive to count all deaths as CV19.

So emphatically one can say - rightfully - that all or damn near all CV19 deaths are being reported and they are OVER inflated while asymptomatic cases are VASTLY under reported, as the NYT states....5x to 10x people have CV19 than have been positively tested for it.

For real, you're operating on the claim that there are tens of thousands of deaths due to CV19 that haven't been reported?????

The person I referred to said two tenths of one percent of people have a chance of contracting the disease. Explain how that is incorrect? If anything I showed you, he is being conservative and it's likely lower.

Based on actual KNOWN data right now, 562,742 confirmed cases out of 320Million Americans is .00176. Explain where that statement is he made, that two tenths of one percent of people have a chance of contracting the disease is incorrect. I'll wait.

 

[Superman]

I see you on here ripping on government workers. I am employed by the department of defense, so your posts include me. I gather from the stuff you write, that you don’t know a whole lot about government work or the benefits received.

My benefits? I get eye and dental insurance that I pay for. I have life insurance that I pay for. My medical is Tricare for retirees that I get as a result of 24 years of military service, and I pay for that too. If I chose the health plan that my job offered, I wouldn’t be covered for half as much and it would cost more than Tricare. I also get a 401k type thing called the Thrift Savings plan. There is matching to a point, but it doesn’t yield as well as a traditional 401k.

And what do I do? Well, I get to go to third world **** holes like Afghanistan and Iraq without a weapon, get shot at, rocketed, away from my family for six months at a time so that I can ensure that soldiers have working weapons, artillery, mortars and helicopters. And while I am supposedly on telework, I get called in daily to help those same soldiers prepare for gunnery, JRTC, NTC and deployment, exposing myself to respiratory illness and risking bringing that **** home to my immuno-compromised wife. I am not given PPE to protect myself.

I also write daily reports, white papers, MAIRs and CREPS. I help units track down repair parts, teach classes to units that request it, and I travel to participate in joint military exercises with foreign armies.

And for that, I have to have ASE certification in HVAC and electronics at my own expense, obtain a gunsmithing degree, receive manufacturer certification on each weapon system, and I have to re-certify every 5 years. For all of that, I make about $79k, living in New York where the weather sucks and everything costs just a little more. I have a physical annually to ensure I am healthy enough for world-wide deployment. Hell, we don’t even have a union, not that I’d want one.

I don’t know what government workers you know, but I am hardly a lazy, do nothing that gets paid a ton to do nothing. I would invite you to come hang out for a couple days, see what it’s like.

not to defend Cucktime, since the guy's a bonafide and certifiable idiot who wears velcro-closure shoes since strings are too difficult to tie, but I do believe he's referencing those who work in government offices (Elected officials,judicial system,DMV, the like) and not people like you nor the military or those who provide support to the military.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

not to defend Cucktime, since the guy's a bonafide and certifiable idiot who wears velcro-closure shoes since strings are too difficult to tie, but I do believe he's referencing those who work in government offices (Elected officials,judicial system,DMV, the like) and not people like you nor the military or those who provide support to the military.

I have to agree. He's an ampilampse chasing lawyer who practices the art of word selection and fancies himself a walking Merriam-Webster dictionary. But in this instance I think it was obvious he was referring to government bureaucrats, and federal government office dwellers, not the military.

 

[Steeltime]

not to defend Cucktime, since the guy's a bonafide and certifiable idiot who wears velcro-closure shoes since strings are too difficult to tie, but I do believe he's referencing those who work in government offices (Elected officials,judicial system,DMV, the like) and not people like you nor the military or those who provide support to the military.

Blind sow/acorn theory proven correct here as Stoop stumbles upon the truth as to my intent.

As usual, he blathers incoherent gibberish otherwise.

 

[Steeltime]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2 week government shutdown: a humanitarian crisis on par with the Ethopian famine<br><br>2 month everything-but-government shutdown: what are you wussies bitching about<a href="https://t.co/q7Ub2H8SsV">https://t.co/q7Ub2H8SsV</a></p>— David Burge (@iowahawkblog) <a href="https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1248708451926188033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Sarge]

I have to agree. He's an ampilampse chasing lawyer who practices the art of word selection and fancies himself a walking Merriam-Webster dictionary. But in this instance I think it was obvious he was referring to government bureaucrats, and federal government office dwellers, not the military.

I'm not in the military. Retired in 2013. I work for the Department of Defense as a civilian since 2016. And I'm pretty sure the words used were "every government worker." Words mean things.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Please let it be the right decision.

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Trump says decision coming ‘shortly’ on reopening economy, as task force formed


President Trump said Monday he would make a decision -- "in conjunction" with governors and other officials -- on reopening the economy "shortly," as the White House forms a second coronavirus task force focused on that goal.

"For the purpose of creating conflict and confusion, some in the Fake News Media are saying that it is the Governors decision to open up the states, not that of the President of the United States & the Federal Government," Trump tweeted Monday.

"Let it be fully understood that this is incorrect. It is the decision of the President, and for many good reasons," he continued. "With that being said, the Administration and I are working closely with the Governors, and this will continue."

He added: "A decision by me, in conjunction with the Governors and input from others, will be made shortly!"

The president's tweet comes as the "Opening our Country" task force is forming at the White House.

Sources told Fox News Monday that the second task force, which Trump first teased last Friday and is set to be formally introduced Tuesday, will be chaired by White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows.

The task force, according to sources, will also include members of President Trump’s Cabinet, including:

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, Agriculture Secretary Sonny Purdue, Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao, Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette, Labor Secretary Gene Scalia, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, and acting director of the Office of Management and Budget Russ Vought.

The task force is also expected to include acting chair of the Council of Economic Advisors Tom Philipson and White House advisers Larry Kudlow, Peter Navarro, Chris Liddell, Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump.