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What's going on with the anomalously high rate of infection at our meat processing plants? SD, GA, CO, PA. When meat starts becoming scarce, things will get ugly.
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Flog fusedcon. meat at store of grocery. go buy. simpull.
To be fair here, Trog does seem to be somewhat of an expert on the subject of handling meat.
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No indeed. In fact if recent history proves true, they will double down and accuse the current administration of any number of failures.
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So let me get you on record. Stuporman and TimStupidFan as well. The 518 Smithfield employees who were infected with COVID-19 and the employee who died were not the reason the plant closed?
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Schiff wants to impeach Trump for not giving money to an organization complicit in the coverup - the W.H.O.
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Trog, the economy is failing, Meat plants are closing. (I would say most businesses normally would NOT close if 1 person died.)
A... to B...
Next is C... Supermarkets and other outlets end up with a shortage in meat.
then D...
What meat is available becomes ridiculously expensive as ...
E... (The federal government takes on more and more debt to print money to give to people in order to falsely prop up the idea that they have money, when in fact more and more they're just getting inflated paper.)
Does that help?
A... to B...
Next is C... Supermarkets and other outlets end up with a shortage in meat.
then D...
What meat is available becomes ridiculously expensive as ...
E... (The federal government takes on more and more debt to print money to give to people in order to falsely prop up the idea that they have money, when in fact more and more they're just getting inflated paper.)
Does that help?
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1. If 0.2% or 2% or even 5% of employees getting sick led to a location shutting down, why the **** aren't locations shutting down around Christmas, Super Bowl Monday, etc.? BECAUSE DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES ARE CALLED IN TO FILL THE WORK AVAILABLE.
2. If the ******* plants were going to shut down in any event, as is true with all employers by the way, WHY THE **** DID THE GOVERNORS BOTHER WITH A ******* SHUTDOWN ORDER?!?!? Why not just let "nature take its course"?
Back to you, meatpacker.
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Got our PPP loan approval letter today. No money yet but I’m hoping this means we were approved before the money ran out. Won’t cover all of our business income losses but will cover a couple of months of health insurance and a couple
months of our salaries. I’m feeling a bit more optimistic now for those who were concerned. I appreciate the thoughts!
months of our salaries. I’m feeling a bit more optimistic now for those who were concerned. I appreciate the thoughts!
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Look I just spent some time looking at why these plants are shutdown. Shockingly to one degree or another All of you are correct depending on which plant you are talking about.
The biggest plant closed is due to specifically the hundreds of their employees who are sick.
Another was closed for cleaning but is reopening and another was closed due to working conditions putting the staff at risk so they stayed home.
So Trog you were partially right but so are the others. Nothing is as simple as those arguing ever make it sound on either side. Either way it will likely lead to shortages of meat if we don't get this under control and running.
One things is for sure Vegans and PETA are not shedding any tears and that make me mad, I hate PETA and militant Vegans!
The biggest plant closed is due to specifically the hundreds of their employees who are sick.
Another was closed for cleaning but is reopening and another was closed due to working conditions putting the staff at risk so they stayed home.
So Trog you were partially right but so are the others. Nothing is as simple as those arguing ever make it sound on either side. Either way it will likely lead to shortages of meat if we don't get this under control and running.
One things is for sure Vegans and PETA are not shedding any tears and that make me mad, I hate PETA and militant Vegans!
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Smithfield has other plants that did not close, why? Why is the closure temporary?
South Dakota is not shut down. Neither is Iowa (Tyson closure).
Meat processing is an life-sustaining essential business, the shutdown doesn’t even apply.
Please do continue with your clueless dumbfuckery!
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Good luck figuring out using it. Our Company got theirs but it taking a special advisor and attorney to figure out to use it correctly to be forgivable. It doesn't help that our owner is still in the hospital on a vent and sedated from this thing.
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Israeli Professor Shows Virus Follows Fixed Pattern
https://townhall.com/columnists/mar...or-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915
Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel of Tel Aviv University, who also serves on the research and development advisory board for Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, plotted the rates of new coronavirus infections of the U.S., U.K., Sweden, Italy, Israel, Switzerland, France, Germany, and Spain. The numbers told a shocking story: irrespective of whether the country quarantined like Israel, or went about business as usual like Sweden, coronavirus peaked and subsided in the exact same way. In the exact, same, way. His graphs show that all countries experienced seemingly identical coronavirus infection patterns, with the number of infected peaking in the sixth week and rapidly subsiding by the eighth week.
The Wuhan Virus follows its own pattern, he told Mako, an Israeli news agency. It is a fixed pattern that is not dependent on freedom or quarantine. “There is a decline in the number of infections even [in countries] without closures, and it is similar to the countries with closures,” he wrote in his paper.
“Is the coronavirus expansion exponential? The answer by the numbers is simple: no. Expansion begins exponentially but fades quickly after about eight weeks,” Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel concluded. The reason why coronavirus follows a fixed pattern is yet unknown. "I have no explanation,” he told Mako, “There are is kinds of speculation: maybe it's climate-related, maybe the virus has its own life cycle.”
But what about Italy and their staggering 12% mortality rate? “The health system in Italy has its own problems. It has nothing to do with coronavirus. In 2017 it also collapsed because of the flu,” Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel told the news agency. Indeed, Italy’s exceptionally high coronavirus mortality rate is eerily reminiscent of their unusually high flu mortality rates. Supportive of this theory, Germany, has low flu infection and mortality rates and similarly low coronavirus rates.
Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel concludes in his analysis summary paper that the data from the past 50 days indicates that the closure policies of the quarantine countries can be replaced by more moderate social distancing policies. The numbers simply do not support quarantine or economic closure.
On the reasonableness of Israel’s unprecedented quarantine and closure, he commented to the news agency, “I think it's mass hysteria. I have no other way to describe it. 4,500 people die each year from the flu in Israel because of complications, so close the country because of that? No. I don't see a reason to do it because of a lower-risk epidemic.”
While the American policies remain less restrictive than those of Israel, it is important to understand the origins of our own “mass hysteria” response. President Trump urged a strong coronavirus response after consulting with Dr. Fauci and his team, who relied on a British model predicting 2.2 million deaths in the United States and 500,000 deaths in the U.K. But that model was developed by Professor Neil Ferguson, who had a history of wildly overestimating death rates through his prediction models. Professor Ferguson was not known for his reliability, and his 2001 disease model was criticized as “not fit for purpose” after it predicted that up to 150,000 people could die in the U.K. from mad cow disease (177 deaths to date). Ferguson’s U.K. coronavirus deaths prediction is now down to 20,000 people, 4% of the original prediction.
Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel has mathematically shown us that coronavirus closures were a mistake. It's a tough reality. Americans lost their jobs and businesses went under because the United States, along with most first world nations, acted on the chilling predictions of a severely flawed model, a reading of Professor Ferguson’s tarot cards. Hindsight is 20/20, so we have to be realistic with our criticism. President Trump did not want 2.2 million Americans to die and did what he thought was necessary to save our lives, relying on a model his advisors told him was trustworthy. It's done. It happened. But it doesn't mean that he should continue the course.
more....
https://townhall.com/columnists/mar...or-shows-virus-follows-fixed-pattern-n2566915
Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel of Tel Aviv University, who also serves on the research and development advisory board for Teva Pharmaceutical Industries, plotted the rates of new coronavirus infections of the U.S., U.K., Sweden, Italy, Israel, Switzerland, France, Germany, and Spain. The numbers told a shocking story: irrespective of whether the country quarantined like Israel, or went about business as usual like Sweden, coronavirus peaked and subsided in the exact same way. In the exact, same, way. His graphs show that all countries experienced seemingly identical coronavirus infection patterns, with the number of infected peaking in the sixth week and rapidly subsiding by the eighth week.
The Wuhan Virus follows its own pattern, he told Mako, an Israeli news agency. It is a fixed pattern that is not dependent on freedom or quarantine. “There is a decline in the number of infections even [in countries] without closures, and it is similar to the countries with closures,” he wrote in his paper.
“Is the coronavirus expansion exponential? The answer by the numbers is simple: no. Expansion begins exponentially but fades quickly after about eight weeks,” Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel concluded. The reason why coronavirus follows a fixed pattern is yet unknown. "I have no explanation,” he told Mako, “There are is kinds of speculation: maybe it's climate-related, maybe the virus has its own life cycle.”
But what about Italy and their staggering 12% mortality rate? “The health system in Italy has its own problems. It has nothing to do with coronavirus. In 2017 it also collapsed because of the flu,” Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel told the news agency. Indeed, Italy’s exceptionally high coronavirus mortality rate is eerily reminiscent of their unusually high flu mortality rates. Supportive of this theory, Germany, has low flu infection and mortality rates and similarly low coronavirus rates.
Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel concludes in his analysis summary paper that the data from the past 50 days indicates that the closure policies of the quarantine countries can be replaced by more moderate social distancing policies. The numbers simply do not support quarantine or economic closure.
On the reasonableness of Israel’s unprecedented quarantine and closure, he commented to the news agency, “I think it's mass hysteria. I have no other way to describe it. 4,500 people die each year from the flu in Israel because of complications, so close the country because of that? No. I don't see a reason to do it because of a lower-risk epidemic.”
While the American policies remain less restrictive than those of Israel, it is important to understand the origins of our own “mass hysteria” response. President Trump urged a strong coronavirus response after consulting with Dr. Fauci and his team, who relied on a British model predicting 2.2 million deaths in the United States and 500,000 deaths in the U.K. But that model was developed by Professor Neil Ferguson, who had a history of wildly overestimating death rates through his prediction models. Professor Ferguson was not known for his reliability, and his 2001 disease model was criticized as “not fit for purpose” after it predicted that up to 150,000 people could die in the U.K. from mad cow disease (177 deaths to date). Ferguson’s U.K. coronavirus deaths prediction is now down to 20,000 people, 4% of the original prediction.
Professor Yitzhak Ben Israel has mathematically shown us that coronavirus closures were a mistake. It's a tough reality. Americans lost their jobs and businesses went under because the United States, along with most first world nations, acted on the chilling predictions of a severely flawed model, a reading of Professor Ferguson’s tarot cards. Hindsight is 20/20, so we have to be realistic with our criticism. President Trump did not want 2.2 million Americans to die and did what he thought was necessary to save our lives, relying on a model his advisors told him was trustworthy. It's done. It happened. But it doesn't mean that he should continue the course.
more....
My nursing home has outbreaks. Time to shut er down and send all the residents home. Wtf.
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Ah. You'll note I dealt with that. Please take notice of the carefully worded.. ."Next is C..." After production facilities shut down, a shortage occurs. And this eventually hits the distribution side.
"Then D..." Prices go up.
Which is exacerbated by the necessary inflation that MUST occur due to the dumping of trillions of meaningless dollars into the US citizenry.
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The one plant did shut down for that reason they lost a significant percentage of their employees all in one facility. A nursing home can’t do that. Legally at least. They did find an abandoned nursing home in Europe with the residents still there.
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You should bring that analogy to the attention of the CEO. You might get a promotion for your insight?
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This is a bunch of ******* nonsense and you know it. “The supply is through the roof, but the packaging and regulation is the problem”. So I’m supposed to believe it was a coincidence that the plants they shut down were the ones with COVID-19 outbreaks, and the plants that didn’t shut down somehow didn’t have the same packaging and regulation problems? JFC, Tim.
You live to try to back people into corners. It's what you do here. Supe beat you down with an epic post. So what do you do? You find one sentence, trying to find an error, so as to mitigate the whole post.
But again...epically...you fail.
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It was readily apparent you were trying to bait everyone into saying "THAT" plant closed due to the economic shut down, when in fact it was because the employees got sick. But that wasn't Supe's point now was it?
As Wig has pointed out, Trog don't get economics too good....the economics are going to hurt that business, DESPITE there being demand. I tried to point out some things like operational issues, as have others.
Employees are staying at home. Fewer workers, less production.
Safety rules are hampering their efficiency. 6 feet of distance means fewer workers, less production. All that fancy machinery and the rent they pay for a place that was supposed to accommodate 1,200 workers a day but can now only sustain 600 becomes very expensive to operate.
Beef companies are calling out for anyone who has worked in the slaughter business to come do the work others won't/can't.
Beef companies are paying premium money for employees to work because of staff shortages. Cargill is one of my customers and is paying $2 more per hour for their employees to do the work.
So now what happens to the price of beef? They can't produce as much. The demand is high. They are paying their workers more. They can't afford the light bills and the operational costs of the machinery. Hmmmm...well, we will raise the price of our product to offset the costs.
Joe Blow got laid off 6 weeks ago. Money is tight. Beef is now $20/lb. He can't afford it and opts for the canned beans.
Demand for beef drops as prices rise.
Death...spiral.
Supe's right...we don't end this political shut down you are so in favor for, you won't be able to afford a hamburger but damnit gas prices are low so you'll be able to fill the tank up in that 8 cylinder, semi-automatic 30-30 toting SUV you drive.
https://www.beefmagazine.com/management/covid-19-how-virus-impacting-us-agriculture
Commodity markets have tanked, even with beef flying off the shelves. There is the worry that packing plants will shut down. And producers, who were already hanging on by a thread due to several years of low profitability and losses may now go out of business for good.
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Pull your obtuse head from your free-loading ***: http://www.steelernationforums.com/...navirus-thread&p=718536&viewfull=1#post718536
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In my reading, one plant shut down due to sickness. Two others had people walk out due to safety issues; one was not providing PPE, and another was actually charging employees 10 cents per mask used. Haven’t read about any others, but I have been pretty busy with work the last couple days.
Supe is suggesting that meat plants WILL close down due to the economic shut down. I'm showing support for that claim.
Trog is confused and thinks Supe meant the Smithfield plant shut down DUE to the economic shut down. That one did because many contracted the virus.
Two different discussions going on LOL
You think? I’ll call tomorrow. Thanks bud.