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The Coronavirus thread

He’s in his 2nd if I’m correct. Which means, again I’m a noob here I think he can’t be? At least has to be out awhile

He can't be reelected right now but I'm told he could take four years off and run again. However I don't think any PA governor has ever done that.
If he had to run for reelection he wouldn't be doing this. His only job right now is to keep Trump from winning the state and he doesn't give a **** about me or you or the public health.
 
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He can't be reelected right now but I'm told he could take four years off and run again. However I don't think any PA governor has ever done that.
If he had to run for reelection he wouldn't be doing this. His only job right now is to keep Trump from winning the state and he doesn't give a **** about me or you or the public health.
I hope you're wrong about that first part

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I don't understand why he's polling so well because everyone I talk to is pissed as hell at this.
 
The store I work at sells recliners as part of the nursery set. We actually have made a store policy that the chairs are not meant to be sar in or tried out in any way out of an abundance of caution. So now people aren’t even allowed to sit down. It’s insane.
 
I don't understand why he's polling so well because everyone I talk to is pissed as hell at this.

They're probably only surveying people in Pittsburgh and Philly, i.e. Democrats.
 
I don't understand why he's polling so well because everyone I talk to is pissed as hell at this.

It feel like a dem has run pa for too long. I know it’s been back and forth but I don’t think the republican reps has stiff the **** up. Can’t wait till this **** is gone. Let me retract that, I want any governor that is keeping places closed extended gone. Don’t care their affiliations
 
Wow, what could possibly go wrong right? Twitter is the central source of truth, and given we know everything about COVID19, they should rightfully censure what they deem to be incorrect.

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Twitter to label disputed COVID-19 tweets

CHICAGO (AP) — Twitter announced Monday it will start alerting users when a tweet makes disputed or misleading claims about the coronavirus.

The new rule is the latest in a wave of stricter policies that tech companies are rolling out to confront an outbreak of virus-related misinformation on their sites. Facebook and Google, which owns YouTube, have already put similar systems in place.

The announcement signals that Twitter is taking its role in amplifying misinformation more seriously. But how the platform enforces its new policy will be the real test, with company leaders already tamping down expectations.

Yoel Roth, Twitter’s head of site integrity, acknowledged as much: “We will not be able to take enforcement action on every tweet with incomplete or disputed information about COVID-19.”

Roth said Monday the platform has historically applied a “lighter touch” when enforcing similar policies on misleading tweets but said the company is working to improve the technology around the labels.

In February, Twitter said it would add warning labels to doctored or manipulated photos and videos after a recording of Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was slowed down to make it appear as though she slurred her words. But even with obviously fake videos, such as one showing Joe Biden lolling his tongue and grinning that was shared by President Donald Trump, the company has since used the label only twice, in part because of technical glitches.

And Twitter has not added any warning labels to politicians’ tweets that violate its policies but are deemed in the “public interest” under a policy the company announced in June 2019.

Under the newest COVID-19 rules, Twitter will decide which tweets are labeled — only taking down posts if they are harmful.

Politicians’ tweets will be subject to the notices, which will be available in roughly 40 languages.

Some of the questionable tweets will run with a label underneath that directs users to a link with additional information about COVID-19. Other tweets might be covered entirely by a warning label alerting users that “some or all of the content shared in this tweet conflict with guidance from public health experts regarding COVID-19.”
 
This is a fantastic read.

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Take the Shutdown Skeptics Seriously
This is not a straightforward battle between a pro-human and a pro-economy camp.

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Should states ease pandemic restrictions or extend lockdowns and shelter-in-place orders into the summer? That question confronts leaders across the United States. President Trump says that “we have to get our country open.” And many governors are moving quickly in that direction.

Critics are dismayed. Citing forecasts that COVID-19 deaths could rise to 3,000 per day in June, they say that reopening without better defenses against infections is reckless. That assessment may well be correct. Many insist it is immoral, too. The columnist Amy Z. Quinn says the Trump administration is “choosing money over lives.” In a CNN news analysis, Daniel Burke offers this characterization of America’s choice: “Should we reopen the economy to help the majority or protect the lives of the vulnerable?”

Denunciations of that sort cast the lockdown debate as a straightforward battle between a pro-human and a pro-economy camp. But the actual trade-offs are not straightforward. Set aside “flattening the curve,” which will continue to make sense. Are ongoing, onerous shutdowns warranted beyond what is necessary to avoid overwhelming ambulances, hospitals, and morgues?

The answer depends in part on an unknown: how close the country is to containing the virus.

“The public, the media, the business community, and policymakers are largely unprepared for a pessimistic scenario,” the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity argued in a recent white paper. That is, the U.S. may have no treatment, no vaccine, and no ability to scale up testing and quarantining, due to technical hurdles or Trump administration incompetence or a lack of public buy-in.

If we knew that a broadly effective COVID-19 treatment was imminent, or that a working vaccine was months away, minimizing infections through social distancing until that moment would be the right course. At the other extreme, if we will never have an effective treatment or vaccine and most everyone will get infected eventually, then the costs of social distancing are untenable. We don’t know where we sit on that spectrum. So we cannot know what the best way forward is even if we place the highest possible value on preserving life and protecting the vulnerable.

That uncertainty means, at the very least, that Americans should carefully consider the potential costs of prolonged shutdowns lest they cause more deaths or harm to the vulnerable than they spare.

Ongoing closures and supply-chain interruptions in wealthier countries could have catastrophic ripple effects, Michael T. Klare warns in The Nation, highlighting the possibility that global starvation could soar. “Even where supply chains remain intact, many poor countries lack the funds to pay for imported food,” he explained. “This has long been a problem for the least-developed countries, which often depend on international food aid … It is becoming even more severe as the number of people without jobs multiplies and donor countries balk at higher aid expenditures.” His article wasn’t a brief for reopening the economy, but it implied a need to guard against shutdowns that cause more deaths via starvation than are saved by slowing infections.

“A prolonged depression will stunt lives as surely as any viral epidemic, and its toll will not be confined to the elderly,” Heather Mac Donald argues at Spectator USA. “The shuttering of auto manufacturing plants led to an 85 percent increase in opioid overdose deaths in the surrounding counties over seven years, according to a recent study.” Deficit spending may be necessary to keep people afloat, she continued, but the wealth that permits it could quickly evaporate. “The enormously complex web of trade, once killed, cannot be brought back to life by government stimulus. And who is going to pay for all that deficit spending as businesses close and tax revenues disappear?”

At Arc Digital, Esther O’Reilly asks, “Why should we assume that a crashing economy would leave the healthcare system standing?” Fleshing out the matter, she writes, “You can’t keep the hospital lights on without keeping on the lights of the economic sectors undergirding it. Yes, our doctors and nurses are running out of masks and gloves, which is a serious problem. It would also be a serious problem if we lost the means and the manpower to make more, or if the hospitals ran out of cash on hand to buy more beds, ventilators, etc. And there’s the rub. We are being told we can’t fight the virus without pausing the economy, yet we can’t fight the virus without the economy.”

School closures may do long-term damage, as well. A recent study in The Lancet concluded that “the evidence for the effectiveness of school closures and other school social distancing measures comes almost entirely from influenza outbreaks,” and that the effectiveness of school measures in a coronavirus outbreak is uncertain. Another article in The Lancet noted that “education is one of the strongest predictors of the health and the wealth of a country’s future workers, and the impact of long-term school closure on educational outcomes, future earnings, the health of young people, and future national productivity has not been quantified.” A given closure could add months to the lives of some and subtract from the lives of others.

The general point is that minimizing the number of COVID-19 deaths today or a month from now or six months from now may or may not minimize the human costs of the pandemic when the full spectrum of human consequences is considered. The last global depression created conditions for a catastrophic world war that killed roughly 75 to 80 million people. Is that a possibility? The downside risks and costs of every approach are real, frightening, and depressing, no matter how little one thinks of reopening now.

These facts may not be evident from the least thoughtful proponents of reopening, many of whom advance arguments that are uninformed, dismissive of experts, or callous. But the warnings of thoughtful shutdown skeptics warrant careful study, not stigma rooted in the false pretense that they don’t have any plausible concerns or value human life.
 
When this flushed out we will find

1. 99.5 recovery plus rate among us citizens
2. 70-80 plus percent death rate among nursing and other like care. Meaning those at most risk, those most comprised **** hits hard
3. We ****** those at risk bc we didn’t get enough healthy infected to protect them. Ie heard immunity
4 The county economy is ****** bc of the over reaction
5. Many People will never be the same in public bc of the scare tactics of the media and their scare machine.
6. Indy will find wife number 6 because he has to wear a mask
7. Most Americans become “Woke” to gov control.
 
If there was a different strain it would have a different name, or at least a different number, like Covid-20.

Influenza A strains have different numbers (H1N1, H1N2,H2N3).

i may be using the wrong word with "strain". i understood the NY and West Coast versions to be genetically different. Mutations happen all the time iwth these things but most mutations are not significant to symptoms/results but does make them genetically different.
 
Yeah he's also threatening to take away liquor licenses and called us all cowards for defying him
I had to laugh when he said that. I thought, we're the cowards? No...you're the ******* coward! Everyone hiding in their house is the coward. The rest of us are brave and want to take the risks and live our lives. Ya know....like humans have done since the dawn.
 
8. Trump will win in a landslide because manufacturers of such products needs to be home
9. Where is Ark
10. Most Americans view this more deadly than ******* a stranger in the alley after a bar nights
11. Litigation, unless controlled, will destroy nursing care. At a point in time where there isn’t enough beds in the next 5-10 years.
12. **** como and other govs “forcing” COVID patients on us only to to stay “our bad” and your terrible
 
When this flushed out we will find

1. 99.5 recovery plus rate among us citizens
2. 70-80 plus percent death rate among nursing and other like care. Meaning those at most risk, those most comprised **** hits hard
3. We ****** those at risk bc we didn’t get enough healthy infected to protect them. Ie heard immunity
4 The county economy is ****** bc of the over reaction
5. Many People will never be the same in public bc of the scare tactics of the media and their scare machine.
6. Indy will find wife number 6 because he has to wear a mask
7. Most Americans become “Woke” to gov control.

Love #6
 
I am not scared to go in public and have gone out many many times, but I think that it is ignorant to not wear a mask. The last thing I would want to do is bring this thing to my work or home. Once it gets in a nursing home you are lucky to contain it to under 15 deaths. Sure most of the people are old, but some of them still have their minds, families, etc etc. Who wants to be responsible for killing 15 parents / grandparents. Plus I have a young daughter and my gf has asthma so why risk it? If the mask helps great if not then there is no harm. I dont get the macho / I'm too cool to wear a mask attitude.
 
in order to continue to work I have to wear a mask. if not my business will be closed. I didn't like wearing a masking in beginning, but now am so used to it, I sometimes forget it is on. I got half way home tonight before I realized I still had my mask on.
 
To me a mask is a minor inconvenience if it allows us to go out and live our lives.

And just like anything else, how you go about using it and what you actually use can make a difference. N95, N99 & N100 masks are NIOSH certified (national institute of occupational safety and health) masks that filter a % of particulates in the air, so they can be effective. Example, people that are working with asbestos, which is a very fine particulate, they HAVE to wear a certain mask that protects them from that particulate.

When you just do a little research and look up few data points that help you understand what they do and how exactly they do it, it's pretty much just like anything else. Use practical common sense with a little bit of knowledge behind it. To borrow a line from Sarge, novel concept, I know.
 
Seems perfectly normal:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: NYC tops 20,000 Coronavirus deaths. 14,928 who have died tested positive for COVID-19, & 5,129 did not have a positive COVID-19 lab test, but their death certificate lists "COVID-19" as cause of death, for total of 20,056. Per <a href="https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Tom_Winter</a></p>— Ali Velshi (@AliVelshi) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliVelshi/status/1260039863996485632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

5,129 did not have a positive COVID-19 lab test, but their death certificate lists "COVID-19" as cause of death
 
When will it be safe enough to not wear a mask?
 
Seems perfectly normal:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: NYC tops 20,000 Coronavirus deaths. 14,928 who have died tested positive for COVID-19, & 5,129 did not have a positive COVID-19 lab test, but their death certificate lists "COVID-19" as cause of death, for total of 20,056. Per <a href="https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Tom_Winter</a></p>— Ali Velshi (@AliVelshi) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliVelshi/status/1260039863996485632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

5,129 did not have a positive COVID-19 lab test, but their death certificate lists "COVID-19" as cause of death

These states will also be counting mail in ballots.
 
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