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The Coronavirus thread

Tibs said:
I agree, though it seems to me it's being made political by the right at least as much as by the Dems, if not more so. The country needs to come together to find a way out of this conundrum, both regarding the pandemic itself and the resulting economic fallout. Turning down the volume on political rhetoric and finding some common ground may help achieve that.
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Thanks I just spit my beer out. You want to turn down the political rhetoric?
 
oneforthebus said:
Yes it's very sad.

Did they post the names of the up to 62000 people who died from flu this past season? The 650,000 or so who died from heart disease last year? The 600,000 who died of cancer? Must have missed those issues. Guess those lives didn't matter.
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No it doesn’t feed the fear machine of ignorance. Essential: beer stores, liquor, cigarettes, pot, etc. non- school?


Edit. Beer store is essential. ;-)
 
Tibs said:
I agree, though it seems to me it's being made political by the right at least as much as by the Dems, if not more so. The country needs to come together to find a way out of this conundrum, both regarding the pandemic itself and the resulting economic fallout. Turning down the volume on political rhetoric and finding some common ground may help achieve that.
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Quit acting the fool.

Your faux outrage, repeatedly, for years, is akin to pre-teen sniveling.
 
Tibs said:
I agree, though it seems to me it's being made political by the right at least as much as by the Dems, if not more so. The country needs to come together to find a way out of this conundrum, both regarding the pandemic itself and the resulting economic fallout. Turning down the volume on political rhetoric and finding some common ground may help achieve that.
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Which side has now held up multiple bills designed to help the American people in this time of crisis while trying to jam in partisan bullshit that has nothing to do with giving aid for the pandemic? Literally holding the country hostage while trying to score political points and using the Covid virus as leverage. Dems or Republicans? I'll wait for your response on who is politicizing the crisis even if it means holding up aid. Which side was that again?

Nothing Trump has done in his entire Presidency has even approached that amount of sickness and evil. They make him look like a ******* choir boy by comparison.
 
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So first they stigmatize wearing masks, then stigmatize not wearing masks, and now we hear some weepy bullshit about politicizing them? Nobody had an opinion one way or the other about face masks until the media started parroting all the bullshit.
 
Tibs said:
What a sad milestone for the nation. Condolences to all the affected families.

“They were not simply names on a list. They were us.”

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And a third of those deaths were in New York, where the governor there despicably transferred positive Covid-19 patients to ******* nursing homes. I'll be waiting to hear your sadness and outrage about that.
 
Steelworth said:
And a third of those deaths were in New York, where the governor there despicably transferred positive Covid-19 patients to ******* nursing homes. I'll be waiting to hear your sadness and outrage about that.
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It is hard for Tibsy to distinguish between his faux outrage and his "real" outrage, probably because of his TDS.....
 
We shut down the country and ruined the economy for the flu. Where's Spike? Anyone?

CDC issues new Covid death rate (for people with symptoms) — Just 0.05% for patients under 50…Risk of dying now in the ‘hundredths of one percent’…

In new guidance for mathematical modelers and public health officials, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is estimating that about a third of coronavirus infections are asymptomatic.

The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die, and the agency estimates that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick.

The agency cautions that those numbers are subject to change as more is learned about Covid-19, and it warns that the information is intended for planning purposes. Still, the agency says its estimates are based on real data collected by the agency before April 29.

The numbers are part of five planning scenarios that "are being used by mathematical modelers throughout the federal government," according to the CDC. Four of those scenarios represent "the lower and upper bounds of disease severity and viral transmissibility."

The fifth scenario is the CDC's "current best estimate about viral transmission and disease severity in the United States." In that scenario, the agency described its estimate that 0.4% of people who feel sick with Covid-19 will die.

For people age 65 and older, the CDC puts that number at 1.3%. For people 49 and under, the agency estimated that 0.05% of symptomatic people will die.
 
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Tibs said:
Good to see there are least a handful of GOP politicians who've chosen to remain on the right side of history. Kudos to Gov. Doug Burgum (R-ND).

“If someone is wearing a mask, they’re not doing it to represent what political party they’re in or what candidates they support. They might be doing it because they have a 5-year-old child who’s been going through cancer treatments.”

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Exactly what point are you trying to make here? EVERY Republican/Conservative has said that people who are at risk, or have someone close to them who is at risk, should take precautions which may include wearing a mask. Every one. He is not breaking new ground.

The issue is with people who are not at risk, and do not come into contact with unprotected people who are at risk, being FORCED to wear a mask under the threat of arrest and imprisonment. And being kept from earning a living and feeding their families, again under threat of arrest and imprisonment, mostly from Democratic politicians.
 
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Stoney said:
Exactly what point are you trying to make here? EVERY Republican/Conservative has said that people who are at risk, or have someone close to them who is at risk, should take precautions which may include wearing a mask. Every one. He is not breaking new ground.

The issue is with people who are not at risk, and do not come into contact with unprotected people who are at risk, being FORCED to wear a mask under the threat of arrest and imprisonment. And being kept from earning a living and feeding their families, again under threat of arrest and imprisonment, mostly from Democratic politicians.
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Everyone is at risk... The point is just because someone is healthy and likely to recover from the virus doesn't mean they cant still spread it to less fortunate people. Wearing a mask is an inconvenience nothing else. It is selfish to not just put on a mask.
 
Anyone familiar with these Red, Yellow and Green Phases of getting back to normal? Care to explain to me.... I'm not seeing anything about going back to normal. Like, even in the Green phase...the last, most free phase, there are still restrictions.


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Booted said:
Anyone familiar with these Red, Yellow and Green Phases of getting back to normal? Care to explain to me.... I'm not seeing anything about going back to normal. Like, even in the Green phase...the last, most free phase, there are still restrictions.


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The new normal means this **** isn't going away anytime soon. So all of this shutting **** down and ******* people's lives up was for ****. Should have sheltered the old and sick and let the rest of us work. You're not building herd immunity stuck in your ******* house for.months. Stupidest **** we've ever done in the history of this country.


If you don't feel safe going out stay the **** at home.
 
Ok, this chart is from Tom Wolf's twitter.

EDIT: Actually, both charts I posted were on Wolf's twitter.

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I was hesitant to believe this for a long time because it seemed too cynical......but I have had to come to grips with the idea that all these Democrat politicians and their media shills are most likely trying to keep the country closed until the election in November. I think they feel that if the economy doesn't have a chance to bounce back by opening up and people's lives are miserable enough they will blame Trump and give Biden a win. I really do. If they hadn't already proven that they are willing to withhold stimulus bills until their political concessions are met, they wouldn't have people thinking that, so it's on them.
 
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Why Didn't the 1958 and 1918 Pandemics Destroy the Economy? Hint: It's the Lockdowns

Media pundits and politicians are now in the habit of claiming it was the pandemic itself that has caused unemployment to skyrocket and economic growth to plummet. The claim is that sick and dying workers, fearful consumers, and disrupted supply chains would cause economic chaos. Some have even claimed that economic shutdowns actually help the economy, because it is claimed allowing the spread of the disease will itself destroy employment and economic growth.1

Leaving aside the fact there's no evidence lockdowns actually work, we can nonetheless look to past pandemics—where coercive government interventions were at most sporadic—we should see immense economic damage. Specifically, we can look to the the pandemic of 1957-58, which was more deadly than the COVID-19 pandemic has been so far. We can also look to the 1918-19 pandemic. Yet, we will see that neither produced economic damage on a scale we now see as a result of the government mandated lockdowns. This thoroughly undermines the claims that the lockdowns are only a minor factor in economic destruction, and that the virus itself is the real culprit.

Economic Reactions in 1957–58, and in 1918–19
The CDC estimates that as of May 18 this year approximately ninety thousand Americans have died of COVID-19. Adjusted for population size, that comes out to a mortality rate of 272 per million.

This is (so far) less than half the mortality rate for the 1957–58 flu pandemic. In that pandemic, it is estimated that as many as 116,000 Americans died. Yet, the US population was much smaller then, totaling only 175 million. Adjusted for population size, mortality as a result of the "Asian flu" pandemic of 1957–58 was more than 660 per million.

That's the equivalent of 220,000 deaths in the United States today.

Yet, Americans in 1957 did not respond by shutting down commerce, forcing people into "lockdown," or driving unemployment up to Depression-era levels. In fact, reports show that Americans took little action beyond the usual measures involved in trying to slow the spread of disease: hand washing, staying home when ill, etc.
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The article goes on to provide similar comparisons with 1918 and additional context.

The "free press" has been fully complicit in herding us sheep into our pens, but it is still surprising how easily we went. Did anyone hear anybody from the press ever ask anybody why there was still a lockdown when the rationale for it passed a while ago? There should have been wailing and gnashing of teeth by the media over that question, given the consequences of keeping it in place.
 
Supersteeler said:
I was hesitant to believe this for a long time because it seemed too cynical......but I have had to come to grips with the idea that all these Democrat politicians and their media shills are most likely trying to keep the country closed until the election in November. I think they feel that if the economy doesn't have a chance to bounce back by opening up and people's lives are miserable enough they will blame Trump and give Biden a win. I really do. If they hadn't already proven that they are willing to withhold stimulus bills until their political concessions are met, they wouldn't have people thinking that, so it's on them.
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jitter77 said:
Everyone is at risk...
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That is simply not true. I won't explain why, I'm sure you already know.

jitter77 said:
The point is just because someone is healthy and likely to recover from the virus doesn't mean they cant still spread it to less fortunate people. Wearing a mask is an inconvenience nothing else. It is selfish to not just put on a mask.
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Which is why those 'less fortunate' people should wear masks. The rest of us should go back to living in a free America.
 
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