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The Coronavirus thread

jitter77 said:
Yeah that is about 4.5x the price. Normally they are a little over $20 for 20. Most legit places are charging 30-40 now, but $100-120 is outrageous. You are also not guaranteed to get them. If you click on the link they are being prioritized.
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seriously?

this is what I see when I click on those:
"Prioritized for organizations on the front lines responding to COVID-19."
 
Tibs said:
Fair enough, let's do this every day.

Covid-19 deaths, yesterday:

Spain: 16
France: 12
Japan: 16
Canada: 5
UK: 6
Germany: 10
United States: 1,090

Population of countries above: 426 million
Population of United States: 328 million
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number of Burn, Loot, Murder riots going on in those countries?
 
Superman said:
seriously?

this is what I see when I click on those:
"Prioritized for organizations on the front lines responding to COVID-19."
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correct, but you need an Amazon business account. some places are not taking new customers like 3M for example. Just because they are prioritized for front line does not mean you can actually get them. Places like grainger, uline, hdsupply etc etc all allocate or prioritize for front line workers too, but most items you are looking at November to Jan to get. Not sure why you would promote price gouging for front line workers anyways
 
Tibs said:
Fair enough, let's do this every day.

Covid-19 deaths, yesterday:

Spain: 16
France: 12
Japan: 16
Canada: 5
UK: 6
Germany: 10
United States: 1,090

Population of countries above: 426 million
Population of United States: 328 million
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Since you are such an expert on the Chinese flu, answer my question: Why is the United States the only country getting buttfucked by China's flu when every goddamn European country has had children in school for months and re-opened in June? And ******* China is throwing massive parties with no ******* masks? Every ******* country in the world is back to normal and no ******* Chinese flu, United States continues to keep children home, "non-essential" businesses (non-essential to the government lackeys still getting paid, I mean) closed.

Explain.

Why?
 
jitter77 said:
correct, but you need an Amazon business account. some places are not taking new customers like 3M for example. Just because they are prioritized for front line does not mean you can actually get them. Places like grainger, uline, hdsupply etc etc all allocate or prioritize for front line workers too, but most items you are looking at November to Jan to get. Not sure why you would promote price gouging for front line workers anyways
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so you're saying these masks - prioritized for front line workers - are essential for front line workers and that a business that involves healthcare is frontline, but individuals cannot get them, so the business where they work must do so?

well damn.
 
Tibs - where are you getting your numbers? In the sites I use, those numbers you cite are not to be found
 
So if wearing a mask,,,er "face covering" I guess is the preferred word these days, actually does any good, why are people still getting sick? You can't go inside a business in VA without one. If they work as good as we are told, why don't we just open up and proceed with life as normal? Kids go back to school etc? Why release prisoners or cancel court dates, etc if the FCs are as protective as the experts in the govt and media protray. That's because they are not. You will only have protection from the virus if you have a N95 mask and a faceshield to keep the aerosols out of your eyes. So why bother at all.

I wear my Penguins mask to abide by the law and not get grief but I like most everyone else knows, it's not doing a damn bit of good so why mandate it? Personally I think it is just one more way to divide an already divided nation. United we stand, divided we fall. Someone is working awfully hard at the latter and they need to be hung out to dry.
 
Superman said:
so you're saying these masks - prioritized for front line workers - are essential for front line workers and that a business that involves healthcare is frontline, but individuals cannot get them, so the business where they work must do so?

well damn.
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What I'm saying is amazon sellers are hoarding essential supplies that healthcare facilities need. Whether individuals or facilities pay for them is not the point. The main points are they are scarcely available and are being sold at 4-5x cost. Places we have contracts with are allocating supplies. We use 300 or so gowns daily and medline for example allocates is 100 gowns MONTHLY. Places like 3M if your company does not have an account they are not taking new customers and their supplies are basically allocated to their existing customers which makes sense. Im not sure what your point is unless you are saying is alright for people to price gouge essential supplies.
 
Steeltime said:
Since you are such an expert on the Chinese flu, answer my question: Why is the United States the only country getting buttfucked by China's flu when every goddamn European country has had children in school for months and re-opened in June? And ******* China is throwing massive parties with no ******* masks? Every ******* country in the world is back to normal and no ******* Chinese flu, United States continues to keep children home, "non-essential" businesses (non-essential to the government lackeys still getting paid, I mean) closed. Explain. Why?
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I'm not a ******* expert, and I never ******* claimed to be one. If you want a ******* simple answer to your ******* question, I'll ******* give you one.

1). Nationwide, federal-level mitigation policies w clear guidance from government officials (EU countries)

vs.

2). Haphazard, inconsistent federal-level mitigation policies, mixed-messaging and void of leadership from the President and eventually, the passing the buck to city & state governments (US).

Plus in Europe, you didn't have 1/3rd of the population going apeshit crazy over abiding by pandemic measures, viewing it as a deep, personal insult to be asked to wear a mask or abide by shut-down directives for the benefit of society.

That's pretty much how I ******* see it.
 
Steeltime said:
Answer.
The.
*******.
Question.
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What, why the US Covid mess is so much worse than the EU and others? Expand your sources of information and you’d know. They shut before us, opened up after us and took it more seriously. Germany was (is?) handing out stiff fines to people not wearing masks in public. Much of the US isn’t even encouraging mask wearing.
 
Tibs said:
I'm not a ******* expert, and I never ******* claimed to be one. If you want a ******* simple answer to your ******* question, I'll ******* give you one.

1). Nationwide, federal-level mitigation policies w clear guidance from government officials (EU countries)

vs.

2). Haphazard, inconsistent federal-level mitigation policies, mixed-messaging and void of leadership from the President and eventually, the passing the buck to city & state governments (US).

Plus in Europe, you didn't have 1/3rd of the population going apeshit crazy over abiding by pandemic measures, viewing it as a deep, personal insult to be asked to wear a mask or abide by shut-down directives for the benefit of society.

That's pretty much how I ******* see it.
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so your solution is a one size fits all plan regardless of regional need. In other words, the leftist solution to everything. Them in charge of everything.

They are trying real hard to blame this all on Trump, but even those people who don’t pay attention to politics are well aware that it is their mayor and governor who has dictated Covid policies on them. The only people who will blame this on Trump are the people with TDS who are already going to vote for a guy with dementia over Trump.
 
jitter77 said:
So the PA sec of health (the he/she) created new orders where if a nursing home has N95s they have to use them. We have like 10 grand KN95s and only a couple grand N95s (and you can not get them right now). The KN95s are not Niosh approved, so we are forced to use the N95s first. They basically want you to use up your "good stuff" first. Regardless if you have active cases or not. It makes 0 sense. Along those lines our Covid testing this week has been horrible. Today we got results from tests done on Monday and have had 15 employees test positive. I am guessing that was 15 out of about 70 or so. We have over 100 employees, but not all got tested monday. No resident results have come back yet. Out of the 15 only one has had symptoms and she was exposed elsewhere and informed via contact tracing. Both her and her 5-6 yr old daughter are sick....As for the others who knows. We are either going to get hammered or we had a bad batch of tests?
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Kn95s ARE approved from an emergency declination from the FDA. This has happened many times, check the site. These masks are not under the niosh approved, but they still pass the 95% filtration rates which is why the declination. Also, all my centers the STAFF are bringing it in. Residents have been on lockdown, family not in. The staff are the problem which is being weeded out from regular tests(baring a large percent of false pos).
 
jitter77 said:
What I'm saying is amazon sellers are hoarding essential supplies that healthcare facilities need. Whether individuals or facilities pay for them is not the point. The main points are they are scarcely available and are being sold at 4-5x cost. Places we have contracts with are allocating supplies. We use 300 or so gowns daily and medline for example allocates is 100 gowns MONTHLY. Places like 3M if your company does not have an account they are not taking new customers and their supplies are basically allocated to their existing customers which makes sense. Im not sure what your point is unless you are saying is alright for people to price gouge essential supplies.
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As I stated before. This isn’t price gouging, simply cost of biz because of lockdowns. What part of that do you not get? 3m labor costs, cleaning, supplies have gone up. The prices of the supplies from their supplies have gone up as they have incurred increase in labor, supplies, materials, and so on costs. That gets pushed down.
 
Tibs said:
I'm not a ******* expert, and I never ******* claimed to be one. If you want a ******* simple answer to your ******* question, I'll ******* give you one.

1). Nationwide, federal-level mitigation policies w clear guidance from government officials (EU countries)

vs.

2). Haphazard, inconsistent federal-level mitigation policies, mixed-messaging and void of leadership from the President and eventually, the passing the buck to city & state governments (US).

Plus in Europe, you didn't have 1/3rd of the population going apeshit crazy over abiding by pandemic measures, viewing it as a deep, personal insult to be asked to wear a mask or abide by shut-down directives for the benefit of society.

That's pretty much how I ******* see it.
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Chill dude. What's the matter?

So please explain how wearing anything other than a N95 mask or similar would be able to filter out particulate as small as the aerosols the virus is using to transport itself?

I honestly have no idea what European's are doing as far as their masks go. Are they all wearing N95s with face shields or positive pressure suits?

If anything other than the above can actually provide protection, why are our state governors giving people the false security that it will?

In my opinion if Joe Blow knows his mask is useless why should he bother wearing it? Being told to do so by a governor doesn't make it any more or less effective. It just pisses off those who know the wool is being pulled over their eyes or mouth and occasionally nose in this case
 
Tibs said:
I'm not a ******* expert, and I never ******* claimed to be one. If you want a ******* simple answer to your ******* question, I'll ******* give you one.

1). Nationwide, federal-level mitigation policies w clear guidance from government officials (EU countries)

vs.

2). Haphazard, inconsistent federal-level mitigation policies, mixed-messaging and void of leadership from the President and eventually, the passing the buck to city & state governments (US).
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So the 10th amendment.

Got it.

Oh, and bullshit. Your claims about supposed "re-opening" are horseshit. Nobody is back in school in the United States, European kids have been in class for months. Europe did not have a "unified" approach. Are you just making **** up? ******* Sweden was different than England which was different than France which was different than Belgium which was different than Finland. So that claim is pure, unadulterated ... wait for it ... ******* bullshit.

By Frances D'emilio / AP
July 24, 2020 10:18 AM EDT

(ROME) — New rules on wearing masks in England came into effect Friday, with people going to shops, banks and supermarkets now required to wear face coverings. The move came a day after Belgium imposed its own mask requirement to slow increasing coronavirus infections.
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https://time.com/5871257/mandatory-face-masks-europe/

In point of fact, the UK did not impose any "mask" requirement until July - well after the decline in that nation. I thought I read somewhere that the United Kingdom was in Europe. So masks required? Uhh, no, in fact mask used originally DISCOURAGED. Your explanation is thereby 100% false, a lie, bogus, phony.

Do you have an actual, legitimate explanation? One not copied and pasted from Media Matters and George Soros' ball sack? One that is factual rather than the bleating of an ignorant, duped, stupid, controlled sheep?
 
Troglodyte said:
What, why the US Covid mess is so much worse than the EU and others? Expand your sources of information and you’d know. They shut before us, opened up after us and took it more seriously. Germany was (is?) handing out stiff fines to people not wearing masks in public. Much of the US isn’t even encouraging mask wearing.
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All of what you wrote is a provable lie.

Europe did not "lock down." SWEDEN, PART OF EUROPE, NEVER ******* LOCKED DOWN.

As their history also tells us, Swedes are not given to mass hysteria, fear, or believing in hasty actions. So, when COVID-19 appeared they examined the threat and dealt with it calmly and logically. Unlike the U.S. and other industrialized countries, they did not lock down their country. Instead, the Swedish government simply banned meetings of more than 50, asked citizens to use social distancing, and asked senior citizens to avoid contact with others as much as they could. Masks were not required or even suggested. Instead, Swedes were asked to exercise, work, keep their businesses open, and lead their lives as if they were experiencing an annual flu season. Schools, shops, restaurants, and industry remained open.
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https://andmagazine.com/talk/2020/08/11/sweden-lockdown-facts-fauci-wont-tell-you/

The United States cannot "lock down." We are comprised of 50 separate sovereign states and health and safety are a state priority.

Further, the states that never "locked down" - Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming - have universally experienced much LESS of the virus than New York, New Jersey, Florida, Texas, Arizona, California - all of which LOCKED DOWN.

https://ballotpedia.org/States_that..._to_the_coronavirus_(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020

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Further, as to when some European nations locked down, you should sit on a street corner with a cardboard sign, ask for $1, and use the dollar to buy a clue. Specifically:

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https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-what-are-the-lockdown-measures-across-europe/a-52905137

Compare to dates in the United States: March 19 to March 28 for the vast majority.

https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/lockdown-day-1

Huh, look at that, March 11 to March 25 for a lot of Europe.

So that eight ******* days explains it? Then why such a success in Sweden, South Dakota, etc.?

Next time you want to tell me to "expand my sources of information," better pull your head out of your *** and check your own demonstrably false assumptions on this thing.

You have been played. Not surprising, since you're an idiot and a leftist toolbox. But still, if you revel in your ignorance and stupidity, keep it to yourself.
 
Steeltime said:
Since you are such an expert on the Chinese flu, answer my question: Why is the United States the only country getting buttfucked by China's flu when every goddamn European country has had children in school for months and re-opened in June? And ******* China is throwing massive parties with no ******* masks? Every ******* country in the world is back to normal and no ******* Chinese flu, United States continues to keep children home, "non-essential" businesses (non-essential to the government lackeys still getting paid, I mean) closed.

Explain.

Why?
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Those countries don't have a main stream media that is the enemy of its people.
 
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