The Coronavirus thread

[Superman]

Uh, yeah! Once their is a vaccine, contagious diseases are easier to eradicate. Has their been a 27% decline in heart disease over the past two weeks?

I see the downward turn. It is you, the anti-vaxer, claiming we will never get cases down into the hundreds.

The US had as little as 18,000 daily Covid cases last June. There are currently a lot more than 1,500 new cases, more like 50,000.

sub-genius, point to where I've claimed to be an anti-vaxxer. Any post. Just one is all.

sub-genius, the word is "there", not "their"

I'd provide definitions, but it's painfully obvious that you're too obstinate to learn the difference in those.

Just as you're too pigheaded to understand where you are wrong on the data.

if we've known about other diseases (contagious or not) for decades and decades, then why do we still have the flu or any on this list? shouldnt those all be things of the distant past? or should we mask up until all of those are gone?

since we had "as little as 18,000 daily Covid cases last June" then masked up to get to where we are now, wouldn't it be argued that the mask did not work as intended? And if you look at every other goddamned country on this ******* planet, wouldn't you say masking doesn't do as much as the geniuses you fawn over and fap to as they regurgitate their FearPorn?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Again, what are rural states doing leading the country in all time rates? Why did the states with intermittent mask mandates implement them? Why did they end them?

You promote Texas but their cases are relatively flat when the rest of the country is down 27%.

For Christ's sake you're obtuse as ****. READ my response. DO some analysis. Instead of persistently being ConjectureFlog. The states that lead all time in case rates are a mix of large and small, mandate and no mandate.

To do a scientific study, you use control groups. Then test groups. The states that had mask mandates, then dropped them, are great examples to use. I've posted 300 graphs showing over and over and over again, cases dropping after mask mandates stopped, cases rising after mask mandates were implemented. You just put your hands over your eyes and keep repeating the same, tired, unsubstantiated points and ignoring the data. A monkey can be trained to spot these obvious differences.

Go do the research on each of those states as to why they ended them. North Dakota had a different reason, timing, etc than Utah for instance. Each state had different Government stated reasons for so doing.

Regardless, the best compare in the world is this one. Two rural states. Neighbors. Same demographics by and large. The difference? One had a mask mandate, one did not. Which state fared better? Like every...other...state....the state without a mandate fared better. South Dakota.



Texas...yes let's use Texas as an example. Look at their mandates. When were the highest incidents of COVID? By golly, between the goal posts when people were mandated to wear masks. After the masks were implemented, they had two spikes....after the mandate was lifted, they are dropping in cases. Weird.



How about Utah? When were cases the highest? During mask wearing....



Yet you continue to compare Texas and Michigan, trying to say Michigan is somehow now evidence of masking and lockdowns working?????



One state has no lockdowns no mandates...the other does. Where's Waldo???

If you can't find Waldo, look at this from the NYT, Texas:



Then there's Michigan, your new Gold Star state, locked down, masked up for the duration. They have MORE people vaccinated, yet they trail in testing, and despite having 19Million FEWER people, still have more cases per day in absolute numbers than Texas, a free and open state. Michigan is currently averaging over 4K cases a day, Texas is close to 3K cases per day...with 19...million...more...people...than....Michigan.



I think Texas shows us the way. I think it's pretty evident.

How about you do some homework ConjectureFlog and show us some locales where mask mandates were implemented and we saw a visible impact.

I'll wait...as I always do...and you'll come back with more hyperbole.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Uh, yeah! Once their is a vaccine, contagious diseases are easier to eradicate. Has their been a 27% decline in heart disease over the past two weeks?

I see the downward turn. It is you, the anti-vaxer, claiming we will never get cases down into the hundreds.

The US had as little as 18,000 daily Covid cases last June. There are currently a lot more than 1,500 new cases, more like 50,000.

Your latest argument reveals your helpless stupidity....that we will somehow see COVID cases drop into the hundreds. It's a respiratory virus, like the flu. We've been vaccinating against the flu since the 1930s...some 90 years. We still lose 50-60K people annually to the flu.

But COVID needs to be eradicated to stop mask wearing. The medical community is now stating we may need an annual booster shot because COVID will mutate like the flu.

Yet your genius self believes we will get COVID cases into the hundreds when we have never been able to contain the less deadly flu.

I've heard it all.

 

[Troglodyte]

sub-genius, point to where I've claimed to be an anti-vaxxer. Any post. Just one is all.

sub-genius, the word is "there", not "their"

I'd provide definitions, but it's painfully obvious that you're too obstinate to learn the difference in those.

Just as you're too pigheaded to understand where you are wrong on the data.

if we've known about other diseases (contagious or not) for decades and decades, then why do we still have the flu or any on this list? shouldnt those all be things of the distant past? or should we mask up until all of those are gone?

since we had "as little as 18,000 daily Covid cases last June" then masked up to get to where we are now, wouldn't it be argued that the mask did not work as intended? And if you look at every other goddamned country on this ******* planet, wouldn't you say masking doesn't do as much as the geniuses you fawn over and fap to as they regurgitate their FearPorn?

OH! OH! SPELLING ERROR!!! You’re such a tool.

You seemed to be on the fence at beast about getting vaccinated. So you do understand it’s critical for ending the pandemic?

You act as if “every other goddamned country” was the Covid failure the US was. They weren’t. Masks weren’t politicized in other countries either.

 

[Superman]

OH! OH! SPELLING ERROR!!! You’re such a tool.

You seemed to be on the fence at beast about getting vaccinated. So you do understand it’s critical for ending the pandemic?

You act as if “every other goddamned country” was the Covid failure the US was. They weren’t. Masks weren’t politicized in other countries either.

really, ********? other countires weren't politicized over the mask?

England:


Germany, Austria and Switzerland:

Anti-lockdown protests erupt across Europe as tempers fray over tightening restrictions

Demonstrators took to the streets in several European cities on Saturday to protest Covid-19 lockdown restrictions, with clashes between demonstrators and police erupting in the German city of Kassel…

www.france24.com

Australia:

Covid: Anti-vaccination protests held in Australia ahead of rollout

The action comes days before the country is set to begin its rollout of coronavirus vaccines.

www.bbc.com

Spain:


Colombia:

In Colombia, 19 Are Killed in Pandemic-Related Protests

The demonstrations over a proposed tax overhaul tied to the pandemic have morphed into a national outcry over rising poverty, unemployment and inequality.

www.nytimes.com

Chile:

Chile protests - BBC News

All the latest news about Chile protests from the BBC

www.bbc.com

yeah, wasnt politicized.

You just bang letters and words on the keyboard, hoping they come out as some legible response hoping they don't show how utterly ******* stupid you are. I found those results in less than a minute.

I will 100% agree with you that the Rona was politicized. Fully.

You know, back when Pelosi was tearing up the State of the Union address:


Schumer was spreading lies:


Speaking of lying and dying, here's Cuomo's lies:

New report details even bigger lies by Cuomo to cover up nursing home scandal

While Gov. Andrew Cuomo was securing a reported $4 million deal to write a book on his pandemic “leadership,” he and his staff were busy suppressing the truth about New York’s nursing-home de…

nypost.com

Vice President Kneepads underlined all the above:

In debate, Kamala Harris says she won't take a COVID vaccine just on Trump's say-so

Sen. Kamala Harris said during Wednesday night’s vice presidential debate with Vice President Mike Pence that she didn’t trust the administration’s push to rush a coronavirus vaccine into production.

www.yahoo.com

“If the public health professionals, if Dr. [Anthony] Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely,” Harris said during the live debate in Salt Lake City, when she was asked if Americans should take a vaccine, if the Trump administration were to approve one either before or after the election. “But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it. I’m not taking it.”

so in short, **** you for making this political and letting people be killed over your goddamned political ideology

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You act as if “every other goddamned country” was the Covid failure the US was. They weren’t. Masks weren’t politicized in other countries either.

16 countries had deaths per million worse than the USA.

You act as if we are the worst and you continue to ignore our terrible health and its contribution to our high numbers. You simply want to make it political instead of looking at the real underlying issues.

To date, we have done 450Million documented tests. Next closest country is India with 292Million tests administered.

And your head has been in the sand. There were anti-mask protests all over the globe, Europe being a leader.

 

[Superman]

16 countries had deaths per million worse than the USA.

You act as if we are the worst and you continue to ignore our terrible health and its contribution to our high numbers. You simply want to make it political instead of looking at the real underlying issues.

To date, we have done 450Million documented tests. Next closest country is India with 292Million tests administered.

And your head has been in the sand. There were anti-mask protests all over the globe, Europe being a leader.

OrangeMan was in Inja stoking the WuhanFlu

 

[Troglodyte]

really, ********? other countires weren't politicized over the mask?

England:


Germany, Austria and Switzerland:

Anti-lockdown protests erupt across Europe as tempers fray over tightening restrictions

Demonstrators took to the streets in several European cities on Saturday to protest Covid-19 lockdown restrictions, with clashes between demonstrators and police erupting in the German city of Kassel…

www.france24.com

Australia:

Covid: Anti-vaccination protests held in Australia ahead of rollout

The action comes days before the country is set to begin its rollout of coronavirus vaccines.

www.bbc.com

Spain:


Colombia:

In Colombia, 19 Are Killed in Pandemic-Related Protests

The demonstrations over a proposed tax overhaul tied to the pandemic have morphed into a national outcry over rising poverty, unemployment and inequality.

www.nytimes.com

Chile:

Chile protests - BBC News

All the latest news about Chile protests from the BBC

www.bbc.com

yeah, wasnt politicized.

You just bang letters and words on the keyboard, hoping they come out as some legible response hoping they don't show how utterly ******* stupid you are. I found those results in less than a minute.

I will 100% agree with you that the Rona was politicized. Fully.

You know, back when Pelosi was tearing up the State of the Union address:


Schumer was spreading lies:


Speaking of lying and dying, here's Cuomo's lies:

New report details even bigger lies by Cuomo to cover up nursing home scandal

While Gov. Andrew Cuomo was securing a reported $4 million deal to write a book on his pandemic “leadership,” he and his staff were busy suppressing the truth about New York’s nursing-home de…

nypost.com

Vice President Kneepads underlined all the above:

In debate, Kamala Harris says she won't take a COVID vaccine just on Trump's say-so

Sen. Kamala Harris said during Wednesday night’s vice presidential debate with Vice President Mike Pence that she didn’t trust the administration’s push to rush a coronavirus vaccine into production.

www.yahoo.com

so in short, **** you for making this political and letting people be killed over your goddamned political ideology

Did those countries have a President publicly ask states to slow Covid testing down, hold maskless campaign rallies and mock people for wearing masks?

 

[Troglodyte]

Your latest argument reveals your helpless stupidity....that we will somehow see COVID cases drop into the hundreds. It's a respiratory virus, like the flu. We've been vaccinating against the flu since the 1930s...some 90 years. We still lose 50-60K people annually to the flu.

But COVID needs to be eradicated to stop mask wearing. The medical community is now stating we may need an annual booster shot because COVID will mutate like the flu.

Yet your genius self believes we will get COVID cases into the hundreds when we have never been able to contain the less deadly flu.

I've heard it all.

Go on record, how high will Covid cases remain?

If everybody who wanted a vaccine gets one, I’ll officially join you in anti-masking.

And now you admit Covid is more deadly than the flu? Wasn’t always the case.

 

[Troglodyte]

16 countries had deaths per million worse than the USA.

You act as if we are the worst and you continue to ignore our terrible health and its contribution to our high numbers. You simply want to make it political instead of looking at the real underlying issues.

To date, we have done 450Million documented tests. Next closest country is India with 292Million tests administered.

And your head has been in the sand. There were anti-mask protests all over the globe, Europe being a leader.

Sure, third world countries and European countries with seven times the US population density had more deaths/million.

Protests are one thing, having the President protest is another.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Did those countries have a President publicly ask states to slow Covid testing down, hold maskless campaign rallies and mock people for wearing masks?

Did you say "Masks weren’t politicized in other countries either."?

Yup. Wrong again Floggy, wrong again. I'll give ya one thing, you don't tire of appearing a fool.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Go on record, how high will Covid cases remain?

If everybody who wanted a vaccine gets one, I’ll officially join you in anti-masking.

And now you admit Covid is more deadly than the flu? Wasn’t always the case.

I'm not going on record. An epidemiologist fares poorly predicting the flu annually. Why don't you?

Define "if everybody who wanted a COVID vaccine gets one..." Is there a database for that? What number is that? How do you quantify that?

You've gone on record saying you'll support dropping your badge of honor, the mask, when we get cases into the hundreds. We likely never will. Thanks for admitting your a Masker-Forever. Hey, and you can be like your lefty buds, wearing masks to symbolize your party affiliation, the new symbol of totalitarianism.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Sure, third world countries and European countries with seven times the US population density had more deaths/million.

Protests are one thing, having the President protest is another.

And dumbass to the rescue again. That isn't what you said, now is it? You said, "Masks weren’t politicized in other countries either." If you meant something else, well...try typing what you really meant.

And once again, you make statements you simply can't back up. I guess Hungary, the UK, Poland, Brazil, Slovakia, Belgium, Italy, Peru and Poland are all 3rd world countries.
And when are you gonna come to center on your circular arguments? One day it's places with high density have the highest cases, the next it's why are the rural states so hard hit? You work really hard dismissing our poor health as the biggest reason we have fared so poorly so you can blame a person - Trump. You waffle between density reasons, then rural reasons, then masking and lockdown reasons. You never do have a stance. Do you have trouble picking your cereal in the morning, or figuring out which costume you're gonna wear?

Population Health is far more a factor in how countries fared than anything else.

Covid-19 death rates 10 times higher in countries where most adults are overweight, report finds

The risk of death from Covid-19 is about 10 times higher in countries where more than half of the population is overweight, according to a report released Wednesday by the World Obesity Forum.

www.cnn.com

https://www.aei.org/op-eds/americans-poor-health-paved-the-way-for-covid-deaths/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/04/coronavirus-overweight-global-report/

Most virus deaths recorded in nations with high obesity levels: analysis

The World Obesity Federation (WOF) in its annual report released on Thursday found a connection betwee

thehill.com

 

[Steeltime]

Sure, third world countries and European countries with seven times the US population density had more deaths/million.

So lack of economic development - i.e., "third world" conditions - contribute to Chinese flu deaths? Huh. Let's test your theory. Before I run the test, my hypothesis is that you are a stupid, selfish, dumb, irritating, ignorant piece of garbage polluting the planet with your noxious emissions and thus completely and absolutely wrong. Let's put my hypothesis to the test. You know, follow the science.

The 13 highest rated nations in deaths per capita, in order: Hungary, Czechia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, North Macedonia, Moldava, Slovokia, Belgium, Slovenia, Italy, United Kingdom, Brazil and Peru. Not a third world country in the bunch. Huh.

So how about the lowest mortality rates per capita? Vietnam, Tanzania, Burundi, China, Singapore, New Zealand, Cambodia, Burkina Faso, Uganda, Niger, Congo, Sierra Leone, Nigeria.

Would you look at that. Some of the poorest, least-developed nations on earth - Cambodia, Burkina Faso, Uganda, Niger, Congo, Sierra Leone, Nigeria - have the lowest per capita Chinese flu death rate in the world.

COVID-19 deaths per capita by country | Statista

COVID deaths worldwide were highest in Peru, topping a list that compares deaths per million in 205 countries worldwide.

www.statista.com

Flog: Science proves you are a blowhard, imbecile, moron, idiot, insufferable wanking ****-for-brains who thinks the great economic empires of Cambodia, Burkina Faso, Uganda, Niger, Congo, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria have used their immense wealth to dodge the Chinese flu.

Protests are one thing, having the President protest is another.

Pretend he was burning a police station. The CDC assured us that was all good.

Cheap *****.

 

[Troglodyte]

I'm not going on record. An epidemiologist fares poorly predicting the flu annually. Why don't you?

Define "if everybody who wanted a COVID vaccine gets one..." Is there a database for that? What number is that? How do you quantify that?

You've gone on record saying you'll support dropping your badge of honor, the mask, when we get cases into the hundreds. We likely never will. Thanks for admitting your a Masker-Forever. Hey, and you can be like your lefty buds, wearing masks to symbolize your party affiliation, the new symbol of totalitarianism.

Of course you won’t go on record! Your convictions are based on ideology, not fact or reason.

Let me provide some much needed perspective. California has the country’s lowest case rate at 5/100,000. (I know that hurts) If the rest of the country had the same case rate, new cases would be at 16,500. California has fully vaccinated only 32% of its population. Now imagine how low the cases could go if 80% of the population gets vaccinated.

So WHY all the doom and gloom fear porn from you and Stuporman?

We will know when everyone who wanted a vaccine has gotten one as there will no longer be demand. And your reading comprehension sucks. My willingness to support an end to mask mandates is based on vaccinations, not cases. Go back and check.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Of course you won’t go on record! Your convictions are based on ideology, not fact or reason.

I've gone on record with thousands of data points. With hundreds of articles. With hundreds of graphs. I've gone on record pointing to data...real evidence, over and over and over again.

You? Bubkus. Conjecture. Theory. Hyperbole. Talking points. You scream la la la la la la and say what I say is so. You cant, nor have you backed up ONE claim you've made with any reference at all.

You're the fool that makes predictions. I won't. I react to reality. You're a wishful, Disney Liberal.

Let me provide some much needed perspective. California has the country’s lowest case rate at 5/100,000. (I know that hurts) If the rest of the country had the same case rate, new cases would be at 16,500. California has fully vaccinated only 32% of its population. Now imagine how low the cases could go if 80% of the population gets vaccinated.

*sigh*. How many states and districts are there Flogtard? 51, until Liberals destroy the Republic and add DC as a State and Guam and Puerto Rico and the Northern Mariana Islands. I should, instead of calling you HypoFlog, start calling you OutlierFlog. You point to individual instances as being representative of the whole. To make failed points. It's your schtick.

California ranks 18th lowest in cases per million per population all time (a figure you keep spouting about). 94,853 cases per million of population.

I can play the outlier game too. New Hampshire (no mask mandate, immediately surrounded in the NE states by Vermont, Maine and Massachusetts (all mask-wearing good Liberal states) ranks 7th lowest in cases per million per population all time (that means ahead of CA). 70,240 cases per million of population. They have no mask mandate. They have vaccinated 30% of their population.

Without a mask mandate, and with fewer vaccinations and in a "dense" area as you like to often refer to....they are faring far better than California.

Alaska ranks 12 lowest in cases per million per population all time (a pretty rural state, unlike New Hampshire in many ways), ahead of CA. They have 89,780 cases per million and have vaccinated 36% of their population.

Now imagine how low the cases could go if 80% of the population gets vaccinated in NH and AK?

I can "win" using your tact of argument, over and over again. The real measure is to look at ALL states, many of which adjoin each other, and compare masking v non-masking states. Lockdowns v no lockdowns....

There is no case anyone can make in the USA that shows with any measure that states that locked down and masked up OVERALL fared better than states that did not.

I'll again point you to where we are now. States (plural Flogtard) that did NOT implement or have abandoned these draconian measures are aggregately faring better than those that did.

It's....fact.

So WHY all the doom and gloom fear porn from you and Stuporman?

Son...LMAO...you live in fear porn. What a stupid comment. We advocate opening up. Removing mask mandates. Living life. Developing herd immunity. The lockdowns failed. The masking failed. We advocate the simple tried and true measure that allergy shots were born of. Inject the patient with that which he/she is allergic to to develop immunity. Expose infants to bacteria so their immune systems develop defenses against mother nature. Advocate breast feeding so mothers' immunities and defense are passed on to the child. The notion of lockdowns and isolation have delayed and retarded our collective abilities to combat the virus through exposure.

We will know when everyone who wanted a vaccine has gotten one as there will no longer be demand.

There is demand annually for the flu vaccine. There will be annual demand for the COVID booster shots. The demand will never go away. Therefore, you are saying, there will never be a point where masking should stop, because COVID is likely to be with us and our children throughout their lifetimes. Fantastic Floggy.

My willingness to support an end to mask mandates is based on vaccinations, not cases. Go back and check.

Define that LOL. Mask mandates should end "when" do say? At what level of vaccinations? 80%? 90%? 100%? Remember, when annual booster shots are required...it means we will never get to 100%. We don't get 100% flu vaccinations, EVER. So in essences you're saying mask wearing should never end.

As you say...go on record.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

So how about the lowest mortality rates per capita? Vietnam, Tanzania, Burundi, China, Singapore, New Zealand, Cambodia, Burkina Faso, Uganda, Niger, Congo, Sierra Leone, Nigeria.

Would you look at that. Some of the poorest, least-developed nations on earth - Cambodia, Burkina Faso, Uganda, Niger, Congo, Sierra Leone, Nigeria - have the lowest per capita Chinese flu death rate in the world.

If obesity is a big determinate of Covid mortality then it stands to reason in poor countries mortality would be lower because no one is fat.

 

[Superman]

Did those countries have a President publicly ask states to slow Covid testing down, hold maskless campaign rallies and mock people for wearing masks?

but but but but but but Floggy, OrangeManBad didn't keep the Rona out of Merica just as the other leaders of countries around the world didnt keep the KungFlu out of their country.

i attribute this to what onefor said awhile ago "virus gonna virus"
and a new one ... "flog gonna ****-up like a dumb ************ because flog is a dumb ************"

 

[IndySteel]

but but but but but but Floggy, OrangeManBad didn't keep the Rona out of Merica just as the other leaders of countries around the world didnt keep the KungFlu out of their country.

i attribute this to what onefor said awhile ago "virus gonna virus"
and a new one ... "flog gonna ****-up like a dumb ************ because flog is a dumb ************"

And libtards like dumb ************ Flog love the fact that Xiden is letting diseased criminal illegal aliens flood into the country and dispersed throughout with no kung flu testing.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

See what they are doing? You can predict this ****. It's too easy. We have predicted, the Left doesn't want COVID going away. They like the control. They like the power that comes with the control. If they can define it....errrrr....redefine it, they can make COVID never go away so they can continue to exercise the control they've become accustomed to.

Oh, So Now Herd Immunity Cannot Be Obtained?

There are no more experts. They know nothing. So, don’t listen to them. Okay, maybe that’s not actually fair—but the real experts are being ignored by the liberal media for

townhall.com

There are no more experts. They know nothing. So, don’t listen to them. Okay, maybe that’s not actually fair—but the real experts are being ignored by the liberal media for a simple reason: they want the COVID panic to continue. They want more deaths to occur. They want a spike. They want to keep the nation locked down. It’s partially out of spite. Blue states are still under Nazi-esque lockdown rules—and their cases are still bad. Not like last year, but Michigan is seeing a massive spike, whereas Texas who nixed their mask mandate over five weeks ago and reopened fully has seen no spikes—none. Florida has also been a state that has managed its COVID crisis better than the media gave it credit for, painting Gov. Ron DeSantis as the grim reaper. It turns out the entire media establishment ate it on that one—no shock. The good news is that even though Democratic states cannot manage COVID, there is no fourth wave. A spike in one state—Michigan, does not make a wave no matter what the CDC says. Even Dr. Anthony Fauci has said he doesn’t think there’s going to be a fourth wave. And alas, here is the circus. The CDC saying there’s “impending doom,” which was voiced around spring break to Fauci saying, ‘nah, that ain’t happening.’ The messaging on COVID protocols has been a mess; the ones with vaccines has been even worse. An MIT study pretty much gutted or cast immense doubt on the effectiveness and purpose of air filtration systems, indoor capacity caps, and even mask wearing. Folks think they’re protected wearing a mask. Nope. It’s an airborne virus. If you’re inside with someone exposed, that mask isn’t doing much, whether it be six or sixty feet apart. It’s all a mess, and now we have this garbage about not reaching herd immunity (via NYT):

Early in the pandemic, when vaccines for the coronavirus were still just a glimmer on the horizon, the term “herd immunity” came to signify the endgame: the point when enough Americans would be protected from the virus so we could be rid of the pathogen and reclaim our lives.

Now, more than half of adults in the United States have been inoculated with at least one dose of a vaccine. But daily vaccination rates are slipping, and there is widespread consensus among scientists and public health experts that the herd immunity threshold is not attainable — at least not in the foreseeable future, and perhaps not ever.

Instead, they are coming to the conclusion that rather than making a long-promised exit, the virus will most likely become a manageable threat that will continue to circulate in the United States for years to come, still causing hospitalizations and deaths but in much smaller numbers.

How much smaller is uncertain and depends in part on how much of the nation, and the world, becomes vaccinated and how the coronavirus evolves. It is already clear, however, that the virus is changing too quickly, new variants are spreading too easily and vaccination is proceeding too slowly for herd immunity to be within reach anytime soon.

Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe

Widely circulating coronavirus variants and persistent hesitancy about vaccines will keep the goal out of reach. The virus is here to stay, but vaccinating the most vulnerable may be enough to restore normalcy.

t.co

Reaching ‘Herd Immunity’ Is Unlikely in the U.S., Experts Now Believe

Widely circulating coronavirus variants and persistent hesitancy about vaccines will keep the goal out of reach. The virus is here to stay, but vaccinating the most vulnerable may be enough to restore normalcy.

t.co

We discussed this before, including medical doctors. Do you see what’s missing? There is a glaring omission: natural immunity. The coverage on COVID has become so bad that liberal data crunchers, like Nate Silver, are coming off as conservative on social media, as he’s taken a hatchet to some of the narratives being peddled out here. He recently said there were “a lot of bad takes” about how Florida handled COVID. Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins also weighed in, saying the article omits herd immunity. Others also noted that the Times doesn’t seem to know the difference between herd immunity and eradication.

 

[Superman]

Tim, stop.
you're gonna get flog all excited.

 

[Troglodyte]

I've gone on record with thousands of data points. With hundreds of articles. With hundreds of graphs. I've gone on record pointing to data...real evidence, over and over and over again.

You? Bubkus. Conjecture. Theory. Hyperbole. Talking points. You scream la la la la la la and say what I say is so. You cant, nor have you backed up ONE claim you've made with any reference at all.

You're the fool that makes predictions. I won't. I react to reality. You're a wishful, Disney Liberal.


*sigh*. How many states and districts are there Flogtard? 51, until Liberals destroy the Republic and add DC as a State and Guam and Puerto Rico and the Northern Mariana Islands. I should, instead of calling you HypoFlog, start calling you OutlierFlog. You point to individual instances as being representative of the whole. To make failed points. It's your schtick.

California ranks 18th lowest in cases per million per population all time (a figure you keep spouting about). 94,853 cases per million of population.

I can play the outlier game too. New Hampshire (no mask mandate, immediately surrounded in the NE states by Vermont, Maine and Massachusetts (all mask-wearing good Liberal states) ranks 7th lowest in cases per million per population all time (that means ahead of CA). 70,240 cases per million of population. They have no mask mandate. They have vaccinated 30% of their population.

Without a mask mandate, and with fewer vaccinations and in a "dense" area as you like to often refer to....they are faring far better than California.

Alaska ranks 12 lowest in cases per million per population all time (a pretty rural state, unlike New Hampshire in many ways), ahead of CA. They have 89,780 cases per million and have vaccinated 36% of their population.

Now imagine how low the cases could go if 80% of the population gets vaccinated in NH and AK?

I can "win" using your tact of argument, over and over again. The real measure is to look at ALL states, many of which adjoin each other, and compare masking v non-masking states. Lockdowns v no lockdowns....

There is no case anyone can make in the USA that shows with any measure that states that locked down and masked up OVERALL fared better than states that did not.

I'll again point you to where we are now. States (plural Flogtard) that did NOT implement or have abandoned these draconian measures are aggregately faring better than those that did.

It's....fact.



Son...LMAO...you live in fear porn. What a stupid comment. We advocate opening up. Removing mask mandates. Living life. Developing herd immunity. The lockdowns failed. The masking failed. We advocate the simple tried and true measure that allergy shots were born of. Inject the patient with that which he/she is allergic to to develop immunity. Expose infants to bacteria so their immune systems develop defenses against mother nature. Advocate breast feeding so mothers' immunities and defense are passed on to the child. The notion of lockdowns and isolation have delayed and retarded our collective abilities to combat the virus through exposure.



There is demand annually for the flu vaccine. There will be annual demand for the COVID booster shots. The demand will never go away. Therefore, you are saying, there will never be a point where masking should stop, because COVID is likely to be with us and our children throughout their lifetimes. Fantastic Floggy.



Define that LOL. Mask mandates should end "when" do say? At what level of vaccinations? 80%? 90%? 100%? Remember, when annual booster shots are required...it means we will never get to 100%. We don't get 100% flu vaccinations, EVER. So in essences you're saying mask wearing should never end.

As you say...go on record.

LOL! Jeezus Christ, Tim! I refer to California’s low Covid rate and you completely lose your **** and go down a lockdown rabbit hole!

Focus. My point was regarding where cases are headed and potentially how low they could get. I based my estimate on an extrapolation of California’s rate and how many (few) people have been vaccinated. You and Stupe seem to think daily cases will never be lower than tens of thousands (20,000+). Based on what? Are you also claiming that mask mandates and restrictions will never go away?

The US is capable of vaccinating 3 million/day thanks to Joe running the show. Three months should be more than enough time for anyone who wants a vaccine to get one. I’ll be in favor of dropping mask mandates by the end of July.

 

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Of course you won’t go on record!

"Go on record"? Do you believe some imaginary court reporter is following you around and taking down what you say?

No, those are simply members of the general public, contemplating how to get away from the bizarre little cheapskate.

And your reading comprehension sucks. My willingness to support an end to mask mandates is based on vaccinations, not cases. Go back and check.

Huh. So the mask has nothing to do with the number of Chinese flu cases. Seems to me one of the imaginary court reporters hijacked your account and said exactly the opposite very recently, Flog.

 

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LOL! Jeezus Christ, Tim! I refer to California’s low Covid rate and you completely lose your **** and go down a lockdown rabbit hole!

Focus. My point was regarding where cases are headed and potentially how low they could get. I based my estimate on an extrapolation of California’s rate and how many (few) people have been vaccinated. You and Stupe seem to think daily cases will never be lower than tens of thousands (20,000+). Based on what?

One, we have never said a number. Not once. Ever, in terms of a prediction. You are making said predictions for us. We have said we will not get down into the hundreds. Let's use your logic, as failed as it is as you point to ONE outlier that is NOT indicative of the rest of the country. Let's say Commiefornia could be the model and use your information:

Let me provide some much needed perspective. California has the country’s lowest case rate at 5/100,000. (I know that hurts) If the rest of the country had the same case rate, new cases would be at 16,500. California has fully vaccinated only 32% of its population. Now imagine how low the cases could go if 80% of the population gets vaccinated.

At the 5 cases per 100K/day, California is averaging 1,824 cases per day. Multiply that by 365 days in the year. You get 665,760 cases per year.

Is that close to hundreds???? Not in the same realm as hundreds.

Even if vaccinations increase (despite the graphs below they are trailing off under Xiden) we will still be dealing with a flu-like virus for years...maybe decades...maybe forever.

Here's what else your "extrapolation" horseshit fails to account for, as the Good Dr. Makary continually reminds people - you aren't factoring in "natural immunity" that is out there. Estimates are 30-50% of people ALREADY have natural immunity to COVID. Add that to the 32% that are vaccinated. Now we are back to the "we are at or near herd immunity" point.

Regardless, let's say California gets down to 2 cases per 100K per day. That's still 288K cases a year..........SMH

Are you also claiming that mask mandates and restrictions will never go away?

Do you bother to read anything I've written? Any evidence I've shared? Your side is pushing for masks forever. See the links on the prior pages. Your soldiers want to continue wearing them as a symbol of party affiliation.

You tell me, do you really believe they are going away?

The US is capable of vaccinating 3 million/day thanks to Joe running the show. Three months should be more than enough time for anyone who wants a vaccine to get one. I’ll be in favor of dropping mask mandates by the end of July.

Thanks to Trump, we are where we are. Trump's administration was the reason vaccines were fast tracked and available. His administration had the apparatus in place to deliver the vaccines. Vaccine delivery was already on a hockey-stick trajectory when Xiden assumed office. Joe needed to do literally nothing and the systems were in place for vaccine roll out. He just took the credit.

The vaccine rollout graph below shows day one of Xiden's administration. 892,410 vaccines were administered. The day prior, 911,493 had been delivered. Everything to the left of that vertical line was under Trump. You can see the trajectory had begun. Nothing was stopping it. Thank God Trump put the machinery in place to get this done.



Now I do find this interesting. One, you can see the hockey stick is consistent. Damn near a vertical linear rising line. No real increases or decreases. It by and large followed the same pattern it had prior to January 20. Again, the inertia was in place and Joe wasn't stopping or accelerating it. But notice the end of the graph? Joe can take credit for a decrease in vaccinations. On April 15, the hockey stick began trending downward....

All Hail Joe...a man riding on someone else's successes and claiming them as his own.



Of course you could enlighten us on what exactly his Administration has done that was different beyond simply adopting Trump's plan.

 

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But Tim, the lockdowns worked, you betcha, keep people home, that's the ticket, yesiree, you bet, no doubt, not a single bit of data suggesting that the lockdown orders that killed the economy, kept children out of school, destroyed savings, destroyed private businesses, destroyed lives, increased suicide, failed at all, nope, none, la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la.

A new National Bureau of Economic Research working paper offers fresh evidence to show stay-at-home orders may have backfired. “Micro evidence contradicts the public-health ideal in which households would be places of solitary confinement and zero transmission,” writes University of Chicago economist Casey B. Mulligan. “Instead, the evidence suggests that ‘households show the highest transmission rates’ and that ‘households are high-risk settings for the transmission of [COVID-19].’”

At first glance, the findings are a bit surprising. Models early in the pandemic assumed less transmission would occur in households. This explains why Cuomo was surprised when he learned 66 percent of those hospitalized with COVID had been staying at home—it ran counter to the pre-pandemic science, which showed viruses are more commonly spread in work environments and schools.

But Mulligan says that is the mistake. Modelers were basing their assumptions on pre-pandemic work and school environments, which didn’t have the safety precautions in place that so many institutions implemented in the wake of COVID.

“Schools, businesses, and other organizations implemented a range of prevention protocols – from adjusting airflow to installing physical barriers to monitoring compliance to administering their own testing services – that households did not, and perhaps could not,” Mulligan writes.

It turns out these measures actually made a difference. Mulligan offers specific examples.

For example, the Duke Health system—which consists of several hospitals and some 180 clinical practices in 10 counties in North Carolina—and 11 meat processing facilities in Nebraska saw infections rates plummet after implementing various safety precautions, such as erecting barriers between employees. In the case of Duke Health, an hour worked at the hospital system became exponentially safer (by a factor of three) than an hour worked outside the health system.

The irony, of course, is that even as work environments were increasingly becoming safer, many Americans were being forced to stay home in environments that were less ideal—such as crowded, poorly ventilated housing.

New Study Reveals That Stay-at-Home Orders Backfired. Here's Why | Jon Miltimore

Last May, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he was shocked to learn that 66 percent of New Yorkers hospitalized for COVID had been staying at home. "This is a surprise," Cuomo said. "We were thinking that maybe we were going to find a higher percent of essential employees who were getting sick...

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No worries, Tim. Floggy has no kids who lost out on 1 1/2 years of school, sports, opportunities. Floggy also made bank during the lockdowns and hoo-boy, traffic was sooo good.