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The Coronavirus thread

This epitomizes your oversimplified view of Covid mitigation. So it doesn’t matter if we’re 10% vaccinated or 90% vaccinated, partial vaccination doesn’t do jack? SMH.

For the love of God show me where I've said partial vaccination doesn't do anything? As I have referenced before, partially vaccinated citizens + natural immunity already has us where we are. Me waiting for a vaccine I trust more than what's out there is my choice, is in my opinion smart, and isn't slowing the healing we are rapidly seeing one bit. Cases dropping, hospitalizations WAY down, deaths from COVID DRASTICALLY down.

You support the draconian view that 100% of Americans must be vaccinated for us to heal. Complete, dire ignorance. You say you follow "germ theory." How about general science? You and your side continue to dismiss natural immunity and herd immunity, just as if not more important to battling COVID than vaccines.
 
Flog, can you stop flogging the dolphin long enough to tell us exactly what Biden did to promote the vaccinations he now takes credit for? Link, please.

Third time I've asked.
 
For the love of God show me where I've said partial vaccination doesn't do anything? As I have referenced before, partially vaccinated citizens + natural immunity already has us where we are. Me waiting for a vaccine I trust more than what's out there is my choice, is in my opinion smart, and isn't slowing the healing we are rapidly seeing one bit. Cases dropping, hospitalizations WAY down, deaths from COVID DRASTICALLY down.

You support the draconian view that 100% of Americans must be vaccinated for us to heal. Complete, dire ignorance. You say you follow "germ theory." How about general science? You and your side continue to dismiss natural immunity and herd immunity, just as if not more important to battling COVID than vaccines.
i'll offer this.

I was intending to wait for the Novavax to come to market ... even if they've not had anything come to market yet.
Why wait?

1. Their vaccine doesnt utilize mRNA. Not that mRNA will **** with your DNA, but it does give the body a blueprint of what is coming and how to defeat it.
2. There's not been an mRNA vaccine used before. Johnson & Johnson was the one name I was leaning to trust, but, well... they started having quality problems.
3. By the time Novavax hits the market, herd immunity should be thriving - or really ******* close.

I'm seeing older relatives next month. Not all of them are in the best of health. Might be the last time I see one or two of them, if I want to be realistic. I, too, was going to wait for the Novavax vaccine. Instead, I buckled to pressure from my family to get the Pfizer shot. "None of us have had any side effects" they said.

of course, they're all older. they're the ones i'm going to see. but, I don't want to be the one who can potentially spread it - even if they've been "vaccinated".

so i got the Pfizer shot. within 48 hours, I start having back pain. Within 72 hours, I'm having back spasms. Those lasted a week and two days. Intense back spasms. The kind that wake you in the middle of the night. Extremely painful. I had to watch what I did, how I sat down, how I stood up... anything at all could and would trigger the spasms. More than a dozen times while standing up I'd drop to the ******* floor, writhing in pain. I tried lidocaine patches (didnt work), tried a heating pad (didnt work) and had my primary care physician call in a pain pill (didnt work), even tried all three together... did not work.

the side effects of these mRNA is more intense in the younger generation (those younger than 70) than any other. I'm dreading the 2nd shot. I cannot imagine this being easier than the first one.

so, for Tim to do what he considers RIGHT is his ******* RIGHT. if he chooses to NOT get vaccinated, it's his goddamned decision.

you ******* preaching to get vaccinated yesterday are the same hypocritical douches who scream "my body, my choice" over abortions.

oh, but not for this.
 
you ******* preaching to get vaccinated yesterday are the same hypocritical douches who scream "my body, my choice" over abortions.

oh, but not for this.

Don't you love Liberals' waffling stances on....everything?

This is my body my choice. But they will scream "this is different!!"

Yeah...no.
 
Nobody is gonna save you from yourself. You can be as ignorant as you choose to be. Knock yourself out.
 
Nobody is gonna save you from yourself. You can be as ignorant as you choose to be. Knock yourself out.
as ignorant as thinking it was Super Joe who saved us from the Rona?
 
Nobody is gonna save you from yourself. You can be as ignorant as you choose to be. Knock yourself out.

I wish you could knock yourself out, for a long period of time. And who's this United We Stand, Divided We Fall?

You live in ******* Hungtardia.
 
Flog and Decaf:

How many people died due to the swine flu vaccine in 1976?

What did the government due to that number of deaths from the vaccine in 1976?

How many people have died due to the Chinese flu vaccine?

I'll wait.
 

Costs of Mitigation Efforts Vastly Outweigh Benefits for 89% of Population, Health Researchers Conclude​


COVID mitigation measures were always a question of costs and benefits, of good intentions versus unintended consequences. Two health researchers just concluded that for roughly 89 percent of Americans the benefits of both voluntary and government mitigation efforts alike have been vastly outweighed by their costs.

“The list of [pandemic policy] mistakes is long, but the most glaring was the failure to understand and act on the virus’s propensity to attack the old and vulnerable,” pharmaceutical consultant Charles L. Hooper and Hoover Institution health economist David R. Henderson write in the Wall Street Journal. “Policy makers failed, in other words, to understand the enemy.”

They looked at the fact that COVID-19 death rates varied widely among age groups, with an 85-year-old roughly 2,000 times more likely to die from the coronavirus than an 18-year-old. Then, they calculated the expected life years lost from infection for different age groups. Using this, the researchers estimated the value gained, on average, from mitigation measures for individuals of different age groups.

They weighed this against the costs of mitigation measures, which include “reduced schooling, reduced economic activity, increased substance abuse, more suicides, more loneliness, reduced contact with loved ones, delayed cancer diagnoses, delayed childhood vaccinations, increased anxiety, lower wage growth, travel restrictions, reduced entertainment choices, and fewer opportunities for socializing and building friendships.”

The result?

Hooper and Henderson conclude that—only looking at economic, not social costs—mitigation efforts cost young people $102,000 but only preserved an average of 7.5 hours of life per individual.

'The expected years of life lost [to an 18 yo] are only 0.004% times 35% times 61.2 years, which is 0.0009 year. That’s only 7.5 hours. Everything this younger person has been through over the past year was to prevent...the loss of 7.5 hours of his life.' https://t.co/peAuDyMwdq
— Nick Gillespie (@nickgillespie) May 4, 2021

“Would you pay $102,000 to live an extra 7.5 hours?” the researchers ask. “What 18-year-old values his time at $13,600 an hour?” However, they find that for the elderly the benefits of mitigation efforts do exceed the costs: “The benefits of protection, measured in life expectancy, are 210 times as high for the older person.”

“Had policy makers understood the enemy, they would have adopted different protocols for young and old,” Hooper and Henderson conclude. “Politicians would have practiced focused protection, narrowing their efforts to the most vulnerable 11% of the population and freeing the remaining 89% of Americans from wasteful burdens.”

I’d take it one step further.

The fact that costs and benefits associated with pandemic mitigation measures vary so enormously across different people is all the more reason to leave decision-making to the individual judgment level.

As Nobel-prize-winning economist F.A. Hayek wrote, “...the more the state ‘plans,’ the more difficult planning becomes for the individual.” That’s why top-down dictates by bureaucrats who try to plan for all of society only lead to more dysfunction.


Science. Proving the lockdown and mask fanatics are imbeciles, following a religion based on faith while ignoring the mountain of data proving them to be ignorant fools.
 
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There have been twice as many deaths from COVID-19 around the world as have been reported, according to the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME), which analyzed excess mortality and other factors.

The big picture: The U.S. has undercounted by over 300,000 deaths, while the death tolls in India and Mexico — second and third on the list, respectively — are nearly three times the official numbers, according to the analysis.

"Many deaths from COVID-19 go unreported because countries only report deaths that occur in hospitals or in patients with a confirmed infection. In many places, weak health reporting systems and low access to health care magnify this challenge," the report notes.
  • In Russia, which has used unusually strict criteria for attributing deaths to COVID-19, the IHME estimate is five times the official number.
  • In Egypt, there have been nearly 13 deaths for every one that's recorded, per the report.
 
Of course, Tiberius. Of course.
of ******* course
 
You all figure this thing out yet? Imma gonna check back in next week and see.

I bet everything is going to be hunky dory come September. Need to even the keel for a little while before the next election.

Or we will need to be able to have mail in ballots in June, just in case. The chessmasters are still deliberating on that.
 
Decaf, did not read the article, did you? If you had - lazy unemployed baristas tend not to work hard - you would have learned numerous things. Specifically:
  • The authors had to account for the additional deaths caused by delayed medical care for conditions such as cancer, suicides caused by the lockdowns and economic devastation they caused, and the potential shortened lives among those with terminal conditions whose path to the hereafter was hastened by the Chinese flu, such as patients with chronic respiratory conditions and heart disease. They admit deriving these numbers is almost impossible, and used prior years as a barometer, but did not explain how prior years with regular medical visits would be comparable to the lockdown years and the Chinese flu panic.
  • The authors also tried to account for the large increase in drug overdose deaths, but admitted that providing an accurate count of the increase due to the Chinese flu borders on the impossible.
  • They then had to hypothesize as to the reduced number of deaths from the regular flu and motor vehicle accidents stemming from the lockdowns and the fact Andrew Cuomo killed all the elderly drivers in New York.
  • They admitted that all such numbers - the additional deaths from delayed medical care, increased suicides, increased overdoses, reduced non-Chinese flu deaths, reduced traffic fatalities, etc. - were basically theoretical.
  • They used the adjusted death totals, based on this supposition, with the total reported deaths for each region to reach their conclusion.
  • They admit that none of their hypotheses is supported by testing for the Chinese flu, death certificates, coroner's findings, actual evidence of the Chinese flu even being present for any of the theorized "additional" deaths.
This article posted by the same guy who utterly dismissed the numerous findings of mathematicians on the highly unlikely results in the 2020 election, right? You remember THOSE mathematicians, don't you?

Finally, if you had bothered to read the article, which is a lot of speculation heaped on surmise and salted with some numbers, you would find the per capita death rate in the United States is quite low. Very low. Extremely low.

So to summarize: mathematicians proved that the 2020 election results are bogus, that more people died from the Chinese flu than have been attributed thus far, but that the United States did better - much better, in fact - than a vast number of other countries.

Thanks for the article, Decaf.
 
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There have been twice as many deaths from COVID-19 around the world as have been reported, according to the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME), which analyzed excess mortality and other factors.

The big picture: The U.S. has undercounted by over 300,000 deaths, while the death tolls in India and Mexico — second and third on the list, respectively — are nearly three times the official numbers, according to the analysis.

"Many deaths from COVID-19 go unreported because countries only report deaths that occur in hospitals or in patients with a confirmed infection. In many places, weak health reporting systems and low access to health care magnify this challenge," the report notes.
  • In Russia, which has used unusually strict criteria for attributing deaths to COVID-19, the IHME estimate is five times the official number.
  • In Egypt, there have been nearly 13 deaths for every one that's recorded, per the report.

IHME... :biggrin-new: :ROFLMAO: :LOL: :biggrin-new: :ROFLMAO: :biggrin-new: :LOL: :biggrin-new: :ROFLMAO: :biggrin-new: :LOL:

This is the same organization that makes epic predictions that are epically wrong 95% of the time.

Yeah....no.
 
Decaf, did not read the article, did you? If you had - lazy unemployed baristas tend not to work hard - you would have learned numerous things. Specifically:
  • The authors had to account for the additional deaths caused by delayed medical care for conditions such as cancer, suicides caused by the lockdowns and economic devastation they caused, and the potential shortened lives among those with terminal conditions whose path to the hereafter was hastened by the Chinese flu, such as patients with chronic respiratory conditions and heart disease. They admit deriving these numbers is almost impossible, and used prior years as a barometer, but did not explain how prior years with regular medical visits would be comparable to the lockdown years and the Chinese flu panic.
  • The authors also tried to account for the large increase in drug overdose deaths, but admitted that providing an accurate count of the increase due to the Chinese flu borders on the impossible.
  • They then had to hypothesize as to the reduced number of deaths from the regular flu and motor vehicle accidents stemming from the lockdowns and the fact Andrew Cuomo killed all the elderly drivers in New York.
  • They admitted that all such numbers - the additional deaths from delayed medical care, increased suicides, increased overdoses, reduced non-Chinese flu deaths, reduced traffic fatalities, etc. - were basically theoretical.
  • They used the adjusted death totals, based on this supposition, with the total reported deaths for each region to reach their conclusion.
  • They admit that none of their hypotheses is supported by testing for the Chinese flu, death certificates, coroner's findings, actual evidence of the Chinese flu even being present for any of the theorized "additional" deaths.
This article posted by the same guy who utterly dismissed the numerous findings of mathematicians on the highly unlikely results in the 2020 election, right? You remember THOSE mathematicians, don't you?

Finally, if you had bothered to read the article, which is a lot of speculation heaped on surmise and salted with some numbers, you would find the per capita death rate in the United States is quite low. Very low. Extremely low.

So to summarize: mathematicians proved that the 2020 election results are bogus, that more people died from the Chinese flu than have been attributed thus far, but that the United States did better - much better, in fact - than a vast number of other countries.

Thanks for the article, Decaf.
That was a total *** spanking Tibs. He destroyed your narrative on this. You really are grasping at straws now. I live with two nurses(Congrats to my wife who just graduated at 50!!) who would also laugh at this seriously flawed analysis.
 
i'll offer this.

I was intending to wait for the Novavax to come to market ... even if they've not had anything come to market yet.
Why wait?

1. Their vaccine doesnt utilize mRNA. Not that mRNA will **** with your DNA, but it does give the body a blueprint of what is coming and how to defeat it.
2. There's not been an mRNA vaccine used before. Johnson & Johnson was the one name I was leaning to trust, but, well... they started having quality problems.
3. By the time Novavax hits the market, herd immunity should be thriving - or really ******* close.

I'm seeing older relatives next month. Not all of them are in the best of health. Might be the last time I see one or two of them, if I want to be realistic. I, too, was going to wait for the Novavax vaccine. Instead, I buckled to pressure from my family to get the Pfizer shot. "None of us have had any side effects" they said.

of course, they're all older. they're the ones i'm going to see. but, I don't want to be the one who can potentially spread it - even if they've been "vaccinated".

so i got the Pfizer shot. within 48 hours, I start having back pain. Within 72 hours, I'm having back spasms. Those lasted a week and two days. Intense back spasms. The kind that wake you in the middle of the night. Extremely painful. I had to watch what I did, how I sat down, how I stood up... anything at all could and would trigger the spasms. More than a dozen times while standing up I'd drop to the ******* floor, writhing in pain. I tried lidocaine patches (didnt work), tried a heating pad (didnt work) and had my primary care physician call in a pain pill (didnt work), even tried all three together... did not work.

the side effects of these mRNA is more intense in the younger generation (those younger than 70) than any other. I'm dreading the 2nd shot. I cannot imagine this being easier than the first one.

so, for Tim to do what he considers RIGHT is his ******* RIGHT. if he chooses to NOT get vaccinated, it's his goddamned decision.

you ******* preaching to get vaccinated yesterday are the same hypocritical douches who scream "my body, my choice" over abortions.

oh, but not for this.
Sorry to hear about your pain.
You could grab a spliff, a vape or some gummies ahead of shot #2.
 
so i got the Pfizer shot. within 48 hours, I start having back pain. Within 72 hours, I'm having back spasms. Those lasted a week and two days. Intense back spasms. The kind that wake you in the middle of the night. Extremely painful. I had to watch what I did, how I sat down, how I stood up... anything at all could and would trigger the spasms. More than a dozen times while standing up I'd drop to the ******* floor, writhing in pain. I tried lidocaine patches (didnt work), tried a heating pad (didnt work) and had my primary care physician call in a pain pill (didnt work), even tried all three together... did not work.
I got the Moderna shot and started feeling sick the next day. I felt bad enough I had to leave work halfway through the day. My wife had the same side effects.
Then there is my sister. She got Moderna also, she's a college professor in Ohio and had to hang on to desks for two days teaching her classes, could barely move her arms and legs, and my brother-in-law took her to the ER on Friday. She has an appointment with a neurologist next week.
 
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There have been twice as many deaths from COVID-19 around the world as have been reported, according to the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME), which analyzed excess mortality and other factors.

The big picture: The U.S. has undercounted by over 300,000 deaths, while the death tolls in India and Mexico — second and third on the list, respectively — are nearly three times the official numbers, according to the analysis.

"Many deaths from COVID-19 go unreported because countries only report deaths that occur in hospitals or in patients with a confirmed infection. In many places, weak health reporting systems and low access to health care magnify this challenge," the report notes.
  • In Russia, which has used unusually strict criteria for attributing deaths to COVID-19, the IHME estimate is five times the official number.
  • In Egypt, there have been nearly 13 deaths for every one that's recorded, per the report.
know what's awesome, Tibsy? at your link, if you scrolled down past the words...

https://www.axios.com/authors/newsdesk/
Sam Baker, Andrew Witherspoon
May 6, 2021 - Health

Coronavirus cases hit a seven-month low

Coronavirus infections in the U.S. are now at their lowest levels in seven months, thanks to the vaccines.
The big picture: The vaccines are turning the tide in America's battle with the coronavirus. Deaths and serious illnesses have dropped significantly, and now cases are falling too — an important piece of protection for the future, if we can keep it up.
 
know what's awesome, Tibsy? at your link, if you scrolled down past the words...

https://www.axios.com/authors/newsdesk/
Sam Baker, Andrew Witherspoon
May 6, 2021 - Health

Coronavirus cases hit a seven-month low

Coronavirus infections in the U.S. are now at their lowest levels in seven months, thanks to the vaccines.
The big picture: The vaccines are turning the tide in America's battle with the coronavirus. Deaths and serious illnesses have dropped significantly, and now cases are falling too — an important piece of protection for the future, if we can keep it up.

Thank you President Biden for your stellar leadership! I agree, Supe. (y)
 
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Thank you President Biden for your stellar leadership! I agree, Supe.

you're thanking the wrong POTUS, but you know that.
 
you're thanking the wrong POTUS, but you know that.

Yep, Xiden riding Trump's wave. The only thing Dems can pat themselves on the back for is getting Trump out of office so he couldn't lay full claim to the utter amazing job he did getting the vaccine machine rolling.

Some months ago Tibs tried laying claim to the amazing things Biden was doing in COVID leadership. He listed 3 things that made Biden's approach amazing...

Not only were none of them new (Trump had done them all), but my fave was Tibs pointing out that Xiden had "even invoked the Defense Production Act (DPA) to get things done."

Tibs never responded again when I pointed out Trump invoked the DPA 56 times last year - in addition to having done everything Xiden claimed he was now doing.

We are all still waiting for any Liberal, especially HypoFlog, to point out what Beijing Joe has done to increase the supply and distribution of the vaccines........
 
Tibs: We have under-reported on Rona!!!
AlsoTibs: Cases are dropping
 
Anyone thinking an 18 year old lost $102,000 in a years time for the reasons stated in that article would need to be institutionalized.
The article doesn't even make it to baloney level.
 
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