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The Coronavirus thread

My “bubble” is reality, not obscure right wing conspiratorial websites and the people that take them seriously.

Funny how nobody posts Tucker Carlson’s nonsense anymore...
Tucker Carlson is not the subject.

but, since this is published on an actual website for scientists, you might want to take a closer look. Though I know you'll see who made the post and consider it above your intellect.

 
Wait, why should I care?

“It’s a hoax”,

False. Even CNN says your first claim is a lie.

Fact check: Biden ad misleadingly suggests Trump called Covid-19 a 'hoax'​


“.000003% chance of dying from it,”

Nobody put the odds a 0.0000003%. Another lie told by a lying liar. The current estimates of mortality are 0.3%, very similar to the mortality rates for most common flu viruses. The difference with Covid is the contagion properties of the disease - almost as if it were engineered to be contagious.

Covid-19 fatality rates of 0.37% (Gangelt, Germany) and 0.17% (Santa Clara, USA) have been reported, estimated from serological studies. We show that the two confidence intervals strongly overlap when the uncertainty in the number of deaths is taken into account, so that the two investigations may be regarded as representative of the same population (tentatively: “Western society with no overload of the Health Care System during the pandemic”). Combining the results, the Covid-19 fatality rate is estimated to be found with 95% confidence in the range [0.1%; 0.3%].


According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the current "best estimate" for the fatality rate among Americans with COVID-19 symptoms is 0.4 percent. The CDC also estimates that 35 percent of people infected by the COVID-19 virus never develop symptoms. Those numbers imply that the virus kills less than 0.3 percent of people infected by it—far lower than the infection fatality rates (IFRs) assumed by the alarming projections that drove the initial government response to the epidemic, including broad business closure and stay-at-home orders.


“the cure was worse than the disease”,

For a lot of areas, including your butt-buddy Cuomo's hometown, that is unfortunately true. You are too busy jerking off to your "Trump Spreads Covid" magazine to acknowledge the scientific evidence that the panicked, overwhelming, unreasonable Covid response - a huge part of it political from the (D)imbos to help win an election in November - led to killing the elderly, killing cancer sufferers, killing via depression and suicide, killing via desperation caused by economic hardship, killing via overdose due in part to the economic apocalypse brought on by a political party to turn an election.

You are a blithering idiot when you tell others to "get out of their bubble." You live in a bubble, wrapped in bubble wrap, covered in masks, wrapped in Saran wrap, wrapped inside another bubble.

“no worse than the flu”,

See above. The mortality rate is very similar; the difference being the bizarre, unnatural contagion properties.

Too bad a group of know-it-all despite being a moron ******** attacked those who said this might not be natural. Want to see one of those know-it-all despite being an idiot ********? Find a shiny surface, polish it, and look at it.

“deaths were over reported,

That point is undeniable. The CDC indicated that Covid was the only known cause of death in 6% of deaths attributed to Covid. The fact is that gunshot victims, car accident victims, those who died of cancer or other natural causes, but HAD the Chinese flu at the time of death were reported as Covid deaths.

Dr. Birx: Unlike Some Countries, "If Someone Dies With COVID-19 We Are Counting That As A COVID-19 Death"​



“only libs would be afraid and wear masks”,

Make believe. Fiction. Go ahead and provide a link to somebody who said that.

What was ACTUALLY stated, supported by numerous research studies linked, is that cloth masks do nothing to prevent the spread of the Chinese flu. We know for a fact that the mask thing is a show. Politician after politician lecturing us on masks, then photographed in restaurants without a mask. Fauci prattling on about masks, not wearing his mask at Nationals game. Mask supposed to prevent spread of the Chinese flu, literally not one research study supports the idea. Mask supposed to prevent infected patient from spreading Chinese flu, but political leaders insist those vaccinated wear masks.

You are too dumb and lazy to care about the truth at this point. You made plenty of money off the Chinese flu, and secretly hope that the Chinese have another virus escape from a lab so you can make a few more bucks, and HOO-BOY, that traffic!!

“not going to take the vaccine”.

What do you care? Seriously, explain this to me - you took the vaccine, you're safe. I presume all your ideological man-bun clan did too.

So somebody else does not take the vaccine and risks their own health. What the **** do you care?
 
What do you care? Seriously, explain this to me - you took the vaccine, you're safe. I presume all your ideological man-bun clan did too. So somebody else does not take the vaccine and risks their own health. What the **** do you care?

Because, dummy, those unvaccinated ruin it for the rest of society by continuing to spread the virus, thus extending the misery & economic fallout caused by the pandemic.

Try to wrap your head around that.
 
My “bubble” is reality, not obscure right wing conspiratorial websites and the people that take them seriously.

You ******* idiot, you moron, you blithering imbecile cheapskate liar. You plainly did not check A SINGLE source I cited. NOT ONE.

Here are the sources, you lazy ****:
  • The National Library of Medicine, site pubmed.gov (pubmed for "published medical research"). A "right wing" medical journal? Yeah, sure.
  • Nicholas Baker from the Intelligencer and New York Magazine. Describing The Intelligencer and New York Magazine as "right wing conspiratorial web sites" proves just how stupid, lazy, corrupt, and vile you are. No sentient being would ever - EVER - under any circumstances call either publication right wing, or conspiratorial. Idiot.
  • A CNN article. Yeah, right-wing CNN. Sure. You bet.
Funny how nobody posts Tucker Carlson’s nonsense anymore...

What the ******* **** does that have to do with a single thing you claimed about the detailed post, with reference materials, I published?

Liberals are mentally sick. You all are ill. You are stupid and believe yourselves smart, lazy and think you work hard, dumb and uninformed and convinced you would put Ken Jennings to shame.

That is why you stupid lazy ***** never read the material I link and never provide any contrary data. The SARS-CoV2 virus is not natural; neither are dumb, lazy, ignorant, bloviating, know-it-all liberals. The question is, which is more dangerous?
 
We are stunned. This is the "reality" that Tibs and HypoFlog live in, sucking down the first thing the CDC or their leaders tell them then never ever questioning said decrees again.

 
Because, dummy, those unvaccinated ruin it for the rest of society by continuing to spread the virus, thus extending the misery & economic fallout caused by the pandemic.

Hey idiot, they cannot spread it to those who have the ******* vaccine, so again, they are risking only themselves.

What the **** do you care?

Try to wrap your head around that.

I'm still busy reading the mountain of data that the information on Biden's laptap is "Russian disinformation."

Remember that, you imbecile?

Run along and get the adults some coffee.
 
Huh? Wait....so the reporter from the NYT who wrote the lengthy article detailing that the KungFlu LIKELY came from the Wuhan Lab now has scientist backing him and publishing his work.

Whoops, they aren't the right "color" of scientists, my bad.

 
Well, TSF, we all know the NYT is another right-wing conspiracy website.

Along with CNN, the National Library of Medicine, the Intelligencer and New York Magazine. If it's not in Media Matters, it doesn't exist.
 
This is certainly apropos is it not? Fantastic article. Certainly describes many we know personally.


Democrats are quick to attack the right for having skepticism or alternative views on vaccines, masks, global warming and other aspects of science. They claim they follow “science,” unlike us. But the left is full of questionable views on science. Their insistence on radical positions in regards to global warming, without any room for opposing views or moderation, is the most obvious one.

They’ve been making dire warnings for years, predicting when the earth will destruct, and are never correct. In 2006, Al Gore warned that the world had until January 27, 2016 to end its dependency on fossil fuels or there would be a global emergency. In 2019, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez predicted the world would end in 12 years if climate change wasn’t addressed. Yet the MSM gives them a free pass and they continue to hold significant influence in public life.

No matter how much evidence emerges showing that the earth naturally goes through cooling and warming phases, likely caused by sunspots so not all of the warming can be due to man, the left refuses to acknowledge even the possibility of these factors, ignoring them. It’s almost a cult-like obsession. Now they have too much money invested in it to ever admit they were wrong; it’s become a big business on the left, giving government grants and tax breaks to their favorite lefty corporations involved in “going green.”

The left is always promoting dubious health schemes that are either lacking in significant positive studies or have serious problems, such as organic foods and eating vegetarian. Any negatives — such as people dying from them — are just glossed over as if they don’t exist. The left goes into hysterics against GMOs, but refuses to acknowledge that more than 900 studies from every major health organization in the world, including the World Health Organization, have declared that GMOs are safe to eat.

Contrast this to the left’s attitude about vaccines. Similar to the other issues just mentioned, there are some concerns. Hundreds of people died after taking the COVID-19 vaccine. Yet the left will not allow any room for skepticism, they demand that every healthy person take it, without acknowledging that it may not be a good idea for some people based on — wait for it — science. This attitude is actually stopping people from getting the vaccine. Some are so disturbed by the left’s unwillingness to present the entire picture regarding the vaccine that they figure it must be pretty dangerous.

While it is true that many holistic types of approaches can work for some people, they don’t always and someone who could have been healed through a conventional treatment like chemotherapy or radiation may have died unnecessarily. But you’ll never hear the left admit this; as usual when it comes to junk science, they only allow one perspective to come out. Any position that isn’t theirs is labeled junk science or a conspiracy theory.

The left’s reaction toward nuclear power is a classic example of ignoring science. The nuclear leak that took place at Chernobyl was the result of carelessness, not because nuclear power correctly handled is bad for the environment. Precautions have been taken since then to ensure that it never happens again. But 35 years after Chernobyl, the left triumphantly shut down the Indian Point nuclear plant near New York City. Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo labeled it a “ticking time bomb” that he had been trying to shut down for 15 years. But nuclear power is one of the cleanest, safest, most environmentally friendly forms of energy available. It is the safest energy source and about the cheapest. Solar, wind and hydro kill more people. France has wised up, with over 70 percent of its electricity coming from nuclear power.

Then there’s astrology. Far more Democrats than Republicans believe in astrology, but do you ever hear them ridiculed the way the right is ridiculed for believing the Bible? The left frequently refers to the Bible as “fairy tales,” but have you ever heard astrology called fairy tales? Of course not. The MSM pretends the obsession doesn’t even exist, and leftists constantly reference their signs as if it’s no big deal, in fact it’s considered cool. But bring up a verse in the Bible and you’re likely to hear a derogatory remark like “Santa Claus in the sky.”

Steven Milloy, who runs junkscience.com, explains why the left is so attracted to junk science. The left-wing media deliberately hypes up junk science in order to produce sensational headlines that attract readers. Personal injury lawyers pile on in order to make money from huge lawsuits. The National Trial Lawyers Association is almost entirely composed of Democrats; in 2014, 97 oercent of members’ donations went to Democrats. Government regulators can expand their power and push through their liberal agendas. A study from the 2016 presidential election found that 95 percent of contributions to the race from federal government workers at 14 agencies went to Hillary Clinton, with only 5 percent going to Donald Trump.

Additionally, studies show Democrats are more ruled by their emotions than Republicans. This is why they are more susceptible to believe that a photo of a polar bear on a shrinking glacier is a sign of impending worldwide destruction. Republicans, on the other hand, will research the reason why the polar bear is there in order to get to the bottom of the situation before reacting. The Foundation for Economic Education investigated a video of a polar bear with ribs showing as it was looking for food. National Geographic headlined it, “This is what climate change looks like.” It’s the most viewed video on the magazine’s website. In reality, the polar bear population has been increasing. One of the photographers later admitted that the bear’s sorry appearance could have been due to other reasons.

The practice of claiming they follow science while labeling conservative thought junk science is just more of the left’s modus operandi, claiming the right is guilty of what they’re really guilty of. Don’t let them get away with it, label it junk science.
 
Additionally, studies show Democrats are more ruled by their emotions than Republicans. This is why they are more susceptible to believe that a photo of a polar bear on a shrinking glacier is a sign of impending worldwide destruction. Republicans, on the other hand, will research the reason why the polar bear is there in order to get to the bottom of the situation before reacting.

Huh, wish I could find an example of that - i.e., liberals jumping to conclusions without research and dismissing credible data for emotional reasons - on this site. Maybe even in this forum, possibly this very thread.

Nahh. Liberals could not possibly be that dumb.
 
We are stunned. This is the "reality" that Tibs and HypoFlog live in, sucking down the first thing the CDC or their leaders tell them then never ever questioning said decrees again.



I have NEVER worn a mask outdoors. When I see someone wearing one, I immediately assume that they are lemming idiots.
 
Say "hey" to Flog and Stacy Decaf for me when you do.

Think I saw a picture of them two riding together with the top down in daddy's wheels recently.
 
The interactions on this board would fit in nice and snugly into any scene in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. The SN political forum has turned into an utter madhouse.

Someone call Nurse Ratched and have her bring in a tray of meds before some of you start peeling paint off the walls.

It's tough to decide which of you would be played by Nicholson, the leader of the pack. Tim & Steeltime are neck 'n neck, not an easy choice.

Maybe we're at the stage there should be a donate button for massive doses of Xanax, Citalopram, Sertraline for the SN MAGA crew. I'd be willing to pitch in, if it would provide some relief, help give a sense of calmness and sanity for those of you who've obviously gone over the edge. I'm here to help. (y)


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Because, dummy, those unvaccinated ruin it for the rest of society by continuing to spread the virus, thus extending the misery & economic fallout caused by the pandemic.

Try to wrap your head around that.
Ummmmm, SCIENCE tells us that vaccinated people can and still do spread the virus.
Sooooooo, everyone, vaccinated or not, ruin it for the rest of society?
 
Ummmmm, SCIENCE tells us that vaccinated people can and still do spread the virus.
Sooooooo, everyone, vaccinated or not, ruin it for the rest of society?

According to a study of 47,000 Covid patients by the Cleveland Clinic, 99,7% of those hospitalized weren't vaccinated. While there's no absolute guarantee someone who's been vaccinated can't catch - and spread - Covid, it is a rather rare occurence.

It's not rocket science. The more folks who are inoculated or carrying antibodies, the faster this goes away. Simple as that.
 
Ummmmm, SCIENCE tells us that vaccinated people can and still do spread the virus.
Sooooooo, everyone, vaccinated or not, ruin it for the rest of society?

OK science check again. Are you speaking of the science that believes in 59 genders or the you know...science? :ROFLMAO: :D:chuncky:
 
Hold up, I'm still reading the scientific links and articles Stacy Decaf provided in his detailed, well-reasoned "Cuckoo's Nest" response.
 
Tucker Carlson is not the subject.

but, since this is published on an actual website for scientists, you might want to take a closer look. Though I know you'll see who made the post and consider it above your intellect.

Even if it was proven to be man made and intentionally leaked, it doesn’t change my mind that the U.S. failed in mitigating it’s spread. Just as I’m sure the origin wouldn’t change your opinion about masks and restrictions. If it does, please explain.
 
Hold up, I'm still reading the scientific links and articles Stacy Decaf provided in his detailed, well-reasoned "Cuckoo's Nest" response.

I've been asking Decaf and HypoFlog for any supporting evidence of any of their claims for like 3 weeks now. I got one article from Tibs from ABC that was nothing more than a distortion of reality and fear porn.

Weird....how devout and convicted they are in their beliefs and statements, but when pressed to validate/support them, it's tin foil hats, conspiracy theories, and Cuckoo's Nest references.

Makes one begin to wonder if they can't actually substantiate their claims....cuz...NBC told 'em it's true or sumfing.
 
Okay, I'm at the part where Stacy is talking about the Presidential election being rigged, voting systems hacked, votes illegally discarded, foreign interference in the election, how the winner did not actually win, how the election was stolen, how the results are the product of massive voter fraud.

Huh, he's not mocking such claims. Oh, I see - those are HIS posts about the 2016 election. Got it.
 
I've been asking Decaf and HypoFlog for any supporting evidence of any of their claims for like 3 weeks now. I got one article from Tibs from ABC that was nothing more than a distortion of reality and fear porn.

Weird....how devout and convicted they are in their beliefs and statements, but when pressed to validate/support them, it's tin foil hats, conspiracy theories, and Cuckoo's Nest references.

Makes one begin to wonder if they can't actually substantiate their claims....cuz...NBC told 'em it's true or sumfing.

Oh come on, you are overstating the issue, Tim. I mean, it's not like somebody composed three posts, with numerous source links for every factual claim, supported by scientific research papers and impeccable sources, then challenged Flog and Stacy Decaf to respond factually, with their own supporting links to the points raised, and instead both quoted themselves and posted idiotic, stupid **** and ignored the challenge completely.

I mean, if they had done THAT, then every being of even modest intellect - dogs, horses, even liberals - would see they were ideological cowards repeating a mantra without a whit of evidentiary support and admitting they could not respond to facts.
 
False. Even CNN says your first claim is a lie.





Nobody put the odds a 0.0000003%. Another lie told by a lying liar. The current estimates of mortality are 0.3%, very similar to the mortality rates for most common flu viruses. The difference with Covid is the contagion properties of the disease - almost as if it were engineered to be contagious.









For a lot of areas, including your butt-buddy Cuomo's hometown, that is unfortunately true. You are too busy jerking off to your "Trump Spreads Covid" magazine to acknowledge the scientific evidence that the panicked, overwhelming, unreasonable Covid response - a huge part of it political from the (D)imbos to help win an election in November - led to killing the elderly, killing cancer sufferers, killing via depression and suicide, killing via desperation caused by economic hardship, killing via overdose due in part to the economic apocalypse brought on by a political party to turn an election.

You are a blithering idiot when you tell others to "get out of their bubble." You live in a bubble, wrapped in bubble wrap, covered in masks, wrapped in Saran wrap, wrapped inside another bubble.



See above. The mortality rate is very similar; the difference being the bizarre, unnatural contagion properties.

Too bad a group of know-it-all despite being a moron ******** attacked those who said this might not be natural. Want to see one of those know-it-all despite being an idiot ********? Find a shiny surface, polish it, and look at it.



That point is undeniable. The CDC indicated that Covid was the only known cause of death in 6% of deaths attributed to Covid. The fact is that gunshot victims, car accident victims, those who died of cancer or other natural causes, but HAD the Chinese flu at the time of death were reported as Covid deaths.






Make believe. Fiction. Go ahead and provide a link to somebody who said that.

What was ACTUALLY stated, supported by numerous research studies linked, is that cloth masks do nothing to prevent the spread of the Chinese flu. We know for a fact that the mask thing is a show. Politician after politician lecturing us on masks, then photographed in restaurants without a mask. Fauci prattling on about masks, not wearing his mask at Nationals game. Mask supposed to prevent spread of the Chinese flu, literally not one research study supports the idea. Mask supposed to prevent infected patient from spreading Chinese flu, but political leaders insist those vaccinated wear masks.

You are too dumb and lazy to care about the truth at this point. You made plenty of money off the Chinese flu, and secretly hope that the Chinese have another virus escape from a lab so you can make a few more bucks, and HOO-BOY, that traffic!!



What do you care? Seriously, explain this to me - you took the vaccine, you're safe. I presume all your ideological man-bun clan did too.

So somebody else does not take the vaccine and risks their own health. What the **** do you care?
You have so much time on your hands!

Idiot, I was mocking the various arguments downplaying the seriousness of Covid over the past 14 months. I sure as hell wasn’t going to verify that my mockery of the nonsense was verbatim.
 
Maybe we're at the stage there should be a donate button for massive doses of Xanax, Citalopram, Sertraline for the SN MAGA crew.

You sound quite familiar with those medications. Maybe time to look in the "tükör" and get on all of them ASAP.
 
it doesn’t change my mind that the U.S. failed in mitigating it’s spread.

Alas, as we have all known, all along, it's been nothing but political for you, Tibs and the rest of the crazy AltLeft world. They have told you to hate for 4 years, and by God that's what all you lemmings have done.

Was our response perfect? Nope. Dare I say we have never had a perfect response to a disease, natural disaster, or war-time situation ever.

But your side made it political and you all drank the **** up. No different than your media having you all believe that George W. literally created Hurricane Katrina, had it delivered to New Orleans and he intentionally killed Americans. That's what they said, LITERALLY.

It just got nastier a decade later and they told you Trump killed Americans with COVID. The fact ya'll believe that just highlights your collective stupidity.

It's been hashed out here so many times, you didn't listen then, you won't now, but I'll repeat it for posterity sake.

Trump shut down travel from China, while Democrats mocked him for the decision and called him a xenophobe.
Trump followed every directive Fauci and Birx and others suggested he do. Every one.
Trump mobilized the greatest response we have seen to an epidemic or pandemic in history. Period.
Trump enabled the most rapid development of vaccines known to mankind.
Trump ramped up and enabled massive testing in such short time it was frankly astounding.

He did so by being ingenious. He knows the Federal Government couldn't get it done alone. Hell the Government hasn't been able to make Amtrak profitable - EVER. Look at the USPS as another example. If we had waited on the FDA and other Government agencies to react, we'd still be waiting. What he did was to mobilize the commercial sector. He brought in corporations and asked them to change what they were doing, roll up their sleeves in a time of national emergency and re-tool to attack the pandemic. He had Walgreens and Walmart doing testing before we knew it. He had GM manufacturing ventilators (which we never needed). He had thousands of companies do things like switch their core manufacturing to areas like manufacturing PPE.

He invoked the Defense Production Act 59 times to bypass Government largesse and bureaucracy to get things done.

And he did. It really was March of 2020 when the **** hit the fan. By December, he and his machine he built had vaccines being administered to Americans.

We had contact tracing going by summer. I know, because it was being done in my state at that point.

I'm not sure what else you would have had a leader do, to be honest.

You continue to obfuscate the facts because Orange Man bad. The reality is, he did a hell of a job.

Now you'll come along and point to other countries and how they fared so much better. And we've been round and round that mulberry bush. I'll ask you to explain how, you'll deflect, offer no evidence at all of what these countries did, and say things like bubble and cuckoo's nest bullshit responses.

By and large - and the scientific community has already spoken on this, I've presented their findings - the #1 indicator of how countries fared with deaths due to COVID was the country's general overall health. Ours sucks, we got hit hard.

Even 3rd world countries fared better because they aren't fat and diabetic.

You won't agree. So I'll ask you again. Please explain what other countries did so much better (provide links) and bestow upon us all what you think should have been done in addition to the amazing work that was done.
 
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