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The Epstein Problem

oneforthebus said:
What "coincidences"? Trump was friends with Epstein and Maxwell, and they spent time at Mar a Lago. He's acknowledged this. Virginia Giuffre has said she met Maxwell at Mar a Lago. I mean again no one disputes this. She never claimed to be a masseuse at Mar a Lago, according to her she was working as a spa attendant and Maxwell offered to train her as a massage therapist.

I'm not a big defender of Trump but there's no evidence the spa at Mar a Lago was a brothel. Why wouldn't Giuffre say that if it was?
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stop making reasonable, sense! Some people have so much hatred in their hearts that reason and factual evidence are flooded over with their emotion.
 
oneforthebus said:
What "coincidences"? Trump was friends with Epstein and Maxwell, and they spent time at Mar a Lago. He's acknowledged this. Virginia Giuffre has said she met Maxwell at Mar a Lago. I mean again no one disputes this. She never claimed to be a masseuse at Mar a Lago, according to her she was working as a spa attendant and Maxwell offered to train her as a massage therapist.

I'm not a big defender of Trump but there's no evidence the spa at Mar a Lago was a brothel. Why wouldn't Giuffre say that if it was?
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How many times do you need to be told? Anyone under the age of 40 is not allowed to work for Trump, or any of his corporations. Not even under a contractor. That makes them rife for being sexually assaulted since they don't know how this world operates. In fact, merely considering working for Trump means someone was SA. We cannot dispute this science. It's backed by scientists everywhere. Disagree, then take it up with the doctors and scientists at Pfizer. Bigot.
 
oneforthebus said:
What "coincidences"? Trump was friends with Epstein and Maxwell, and they spent time at Mar a Lago. He's acknowledged this. Virginia Giuffre has said she met Maxwell at Mar a Lago. I mean again no one disputes this. She never claimed to be a masseuse at Mar a Lago, according to her she was working as a spa attendant and Maxwell offered to train her as a massage therapist.

I'm not a big defender of Trump but there's no evidence the spa at Mar a Lago was a brothel. Why wouldn't Giuffre say that if it was?
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The coincidence that Trump has a history of saying creepy things about attractive teenage girls and knowledge that Epstein “like them young”. The coincidence that Musk said Trump was in the Epstein files and then Trump saying they didn’t exist and we should forget about them. The coincidence that when Trump realized the scandal wasn’t going away, he said the files were created by Comey and Obama and then, for whatever reason, they implicated Bill Clinton. The coincidence that after they questioned Maxwell, Trump started claiming that Epstein was stealing his staff and that is what ended their friendship.

We saw this kind of denialism with the Catholic Church. It’s repugnant.
 
Badcat said:
stop making reasonable, sense! Some people have so much hatred in their hearts that reason and factual evidence are flooded over with their emotion.
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What was it when you were loving Trump’s promise to crucify democrats on the Epstein list with absolutely no factual evidence? Not hatred? Trump started this fire, he deserves to burn and you deserve to go **** your hypocritical self.
 
Troglodyte said:
What was it when you were loving Trump’s promise to crucify democrats on the Epstein list with absolutely no factual evidence? Not hatred? Trump started this fire, he deserves to burn and you deserve to go **** your hypocritical self.
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I don’t think it was so much about crucifying democrats. At least for me it wasn’t. In my opinion, being a pedophile is worse than being a murderer or any other crime. Don’t care who does it. They should be hung. Rich, old, young, black, white, republican or democrat. Doesn’t matter.

I think why so many people got caught up believing that the so-called “list” was full of democrats is because when people were clamoring for the Biden administration to release it, they didn’t. Same thing with Trump. He bloviated about releasing it and now suddenly there’s no “list.” I can understand why a person that hates him would be skeptical. It’s no different than how republicans felt not too long ago.
 
Has anyone ever read the actual quote from Trump promising to release a client list during his campaign?…did he promise to release the Epstein files, or did he specifically state he would release a client list….because I sure as hell can’t find a quote stating such.
Google isn’t helping me.

The best answer I got was from AI.

A list of Epsteins associates is not the same as a client list of pedophiles.

Donald Trump has made multiple comments regarding the release of information related to Jeffrey Epstein, most notably during a September 2024 interview on the Lex Fridman podcast
. During that discussion, when asked about the lack of public access to a list of Epstein's associates, Trump said:
  • "It's very interesting, isn't it? It probably will be, by the way, probably."
  • He also added, "I'd certainly take a look at it," and "I'd have no problem with it," when discussing a potential release of the information.
Trump expressed openness to releasing Epstein-related documents, while also conveying some reservations in other interviews. He mentioned concerns about impacting individuals' lives with potentially "phony stuff".
More recently, the Department of Justice informed Trump in May 2025 that his name appears in the Epstein files, according to reports. Trump has since requested the unsealing of grand jury testimony related to Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, but the exact extent of information contained in those records remains uncertain.
 
Troglodyte said:
What was it when you were loving Trump’s promise to crucify democrats on the Epstein list with absolutely no factual evidence? Not hatred? Trump started this fire, he deserves to burn and you deserve to go **** your hypocritical self.
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Speaking of hypocrites where were you on this issue the 4 years Dems controlled the White House?

If Trump is guilty of raping underaged girls he deserves to burn. I'll agree with you there. But Dems had this info for 4 years. Are you suggesting that Joe Biden and co. were protecting Trump? After they tried to impeach him twice and criminally and civilly prosecute him numerous times? Does that make any logical sense to you?

Not to mention, you also believe this supposed pedophile Donald Trump raped a woman in her 50s in a department store dressing room?
 
oneforthebus said:
Speaking of hypocrites where were you on this issue the 4 years Dems controlled the White House?
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Weren’t they sealed until January 2024? Of all the millions of criminal files in existence, why should the democrats act on these? Because the Trump campaign made an issue of them before they told you to forget about them?
oneforthebus said:
If Trump is guilty of raping underaged girls he deserves to burn. I'll agree with you there. But Dems had this info for 4 years. Are you suggesting that Joe Biden and co. were protecting Trump? After they tried to impeach him twice and criminally and civilly prosecute him numerous times? Does that make any logical sense to you?
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They did not. The DOJ had the files. Your reality is that all of the millions of criminal files were sitting in the White House or democrat hq, they were not.
oneforthebus said:
Not to mention, you also believe this supposed pedophile Donald Trump raped a woman in her 50s in a department store dressing room?
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A jury believed that. I also believe he cheated on his pregnant wife with porn star Stormy Daniels.

The Catholic Church didn’t believe priests were raping kids either. They were. Other priests were raping nuns. I guess that makes the former impossible in your mind? Or both are impossible?
 
Troglodyte said:
Weren’t they sealed until January 2024? Of all the millions of criminal files in existence, why should the democrats act on these? Because the Trump campaign made an issue of them before they told you to forget about them?

They did not. The DOJ had the files. Your reality is that all of the millions of criminal files were sitting in the White House or democrat hq, they were not.

A jury believed that. I also believe he cheated on his pregnant wife with porn star Stormy Daniels.

The Catholic Church didn’t believe priests were raping kids either. They were. Other priests were raping nuns. I guess that makes the former impossible in your mind? Or both are impossible?
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So by your logic Trump has no control over whether these files are released or not. The DOJ has them. Trump apparently controls the DOJ but Biden didn't?

A leftwing New York jury believed it. Rational people don't. Her favorite show was Law and Order SVU which had an episode where someone talks about getting raped while trying on lingerie in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room. Talk about your coincidences! She also said The Apprentice was one of her favorite shows. Ya know, the show hosted by her violent rapist. She also said rape is sexy. A supposed victim of a violent, forcible rape said rape is sexy.

Priests who raped little boys were likely not the same ones who were raping nuns. If Trump had a penchant for (and access to) teenaged girls it seems unlikely he would rape 50 something E. Jean Carroll in a public place.

I have no doubt Trump has cheated many times, and maybe even with Stormy Daniels. It's gross and one of the reasons I don't like him but it's not a crime. Your side's hero was getting blowjobs from a 20 year old intern while his wife and teen daughter were in the same building.
 
oneforthebus said:
She also said rape is sexy. A supposed victim of a violent, forcible rape said rape is sexy.
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Sorry, OFTB, but this statement is misleading, at best.

The defense also played an excerpt of an interview Carroll gave to CNN's Anderson Cooper in which she is heard saying that most people think of rape as sexy. Tacopina asked whether she still believes that.

"In our culture we are saturated with entertainment shows which continually show rapes to gather an audience," Carroll said, citing Game of Thrones as an example.

"You're comparing television rape scenes to real life rape scenes?" Tacopina asked. "No," Carroll said. "To me rape is the most horrible, violent act that can be done against a woman or a man."
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oneforthebus said:
I have no doubt Trump has cheated many times, and maybe even with Stormy Daniels. It's gross and one of the reasons I don't like him but it's not a crime. Your side's hero was getting blowjobs from a 20 year old intern while his wife and teen daughter were in the same building.
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You mean an act that is also "gross...but not a crime."

Sexual assault is a crime, of which Trump was convicted by a jury of his peers. A verdict which proved nobody is above the law, not even the president of the United States.
 
Tibs said:
Sorry, OFTB, but this statement is misleading, at best.





You mean an act that is also "gross...but not a crime."

Sexual assault is a crime, of which Trump was convicted by a jury of his peers. A verdict which proved nobody is above the law, not even the president of the United States.
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False. He was not convicted of a crime. He was found liable in a civil case. Totally different standard. Again, Manhattan voted 5-1 for Biden. No way he gets a fair trial there.

You conveniently left out this part of her quote:

"I think most people think of rape as being sexy," Carroll responded. "They think of the fantasies." Huh? I don't know anyone who thinks of rape as being sexy. Certainly a bizarre thing for a supposed victim of multiple sexual assaults and violent rape.
 
oneforthebus said:
False.
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Not going to keep you from defending Trump, be it his numerous legal issues, the countless accusations against him spanning decades, his character, behavior, or moral standing.

Everyone can make their own determinations.

Thanks for keeping things civil, as always. Hope you have a lovely Sunday.
 
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Troglodyte said:
The coincidence that Trump has a history of saying creepy things about attractive teenage girls and knowledge that Epstein “like them young”. The coincidence that Musk said Trump was in the Epstein files and then Trump saying they didn’t exist and we should forget about them. The coincidence that when Trump realized the scandal wasn’t going away, he said the files were created by Comey and Obama and then, for whatever reason, they implicated Bill Clinton. The coincidence that after they questioned Maxwell, Trump started claiming that Epstein was stealing his staff and that is what ended their friendship.

We saw this kind of denialism with the Catholic Church. It’s repugnant.
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Troglodyte said:
The coincidence that Trump has a history of saying creepy things about attractive teenage girls and knowledge that Epstein “like them young”. The coincidence that Musk said Trump was in the Epstein files and then Trump saying they didn’t exist and we should forget about them. The coincidence that when Trump realized the scandal wasn’t going away, he said the files were created by Comey and Obama and then, for whatever reason, they implicated Bill Clinton. The coincidence that after they questioned Maxwell, Trump started claiming that Epstein was stealing his staff and that is what ended their friendship.

We saw this kind of denialism with the Catholic Church. It’s repugnant.
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I read that Trump ordered them released, but was blocked by a judge.
What judge? Why block them?
 
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