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The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

So what to make of ambassador Sondland? I found his opening statement interesting.
 
Uh oh...


10:24 A.M. — Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) calls for “proven liar” Schiff to testify as part of the impeachment probe.

Proven liar Adam Schiff is a witness & must testify under oath:

1) How many times did he meet with the “whistleblower?”

2) Is the “whistleblower” a Democrat operative?

3) Is the deep state involved in the coordinated effort to take down @POTUS?#SchiffMustTestify

— Sen. Marsha Blackburn (@MarshaBlackburn) November 20, 2019
 
Sarge said:
So what to make of ambassador Sondland? I found his opening statement interesting.
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His memory was "refreshed" and now he throwing everybody under the bus,

Its over, Dems win

Liz will be president, just like i perdicted
 
Well, he actually has his **** together. He has documents and emails detailing conversations and such. Very credible is how I would describe him to this point.
 
Dems will impeach

The impeachment cake was already baked going in

It will go on to the Senate for the icing
 
Tibs said:
I've got a semi-serious question for you guys, not sure if that's even possible on this board. How many foreign service members, diplomats, military advisors and the like do any of you know personally, or have even met, at some point in your lives? You know, people who've spent the past ten, twenty, thirty years representing our country, pursuing American foreign policy abroad.

If you've had any experience with these folks, you'd know the term 'Never Trumper' simply doesn't exist within these ranks. These people have served under Republican and Democratic presidents alike. There actually exists such a thing called American foreign policy. It doesn't blow in the wind, doesn't change every four years there's a new president. This has been formulated over decades, based on military and foreign service experience, particularly post-WWII and then following the Cold War. The basic premise is that to best serve American national interests, democracy is good, transparency is good, the free market is good, applicable all around the world.

To have a President, whomever it may be, disparage, attack, smear and slander career foreign service members is beyond reprehensible. And you would agree with that sentiment, if you've ever met any of these fine folks.

There is a hyper-partisanship currently in America that is dangerous and teetering on the brink of being out of control. I'm starting to agree with Sarge, that we may be slowly but surely entering the point of no return.
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Others have answered more eloquently than I can on this, and no I do not personally know any foreign service members, diplomats, or military advisers.

But what I do know comes from human nature. Everyone, in every position, from a Walmart greeter to a neurosurgeon, puts on a work face during the day. They are human and have opinions, to say they are above reproach is naive.
 
11:07 A.M. —

The most important quote out of this hearing so far:

Sondland: "I've never heard from President Trump that the aid was conditioned on the investigations." He reached this conclusion on his own.

So, in short, yet another witness who can't testify to the Democrats' accusations.

— Mark Meadows (@RepMarkMeadows) November 20, 2019
 
So all of this but he never heard anything about quid pro quo from Trump. So once again they really have nothing to prove the non illegal thing they are trying to prove. I will state once again that I don't care if he did tie the aid to an investigation which there is no proof of anyway because it was a legitimate request and as Biden has proven it is standard operating procedure to have demands for aid or loans.
 
11:48 A.M. — House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) tweets of today’s hearing: The “Democrats’ smear campaign is falling apart.”

Case closed ⇨ Ambassador Sondland just testified under oath that he NEVER heard the president say there were conditions on aid to Ukraine.

Democrats' smear campaign is falling apart.

— Kevin McCarthy (@GOPLeader) November 20, 2019
 
WAR!



'Multiple Discrepancies' in Testimonies Lead Republicans to File Formal Subpoena Requests (Whistleblower/ Bidens)

Ranking member Devin Nunes (R-CA) announced at Wednesday's public impeachment inquiry hearing that Republicans have filed a formal request to subpoena the Bidens and the whistleblower for sworn testimony.

“The whistleblower’s testimony is necessary for a full and fair understanding of all relevant facts,” the Republican ranking members and chairs write. “The Inspector General of the Intelligence Community reported that the whistleblower had a political bias against President Trump and public reports suggest that the whistleblower worked closely with former Vice President Joe Biden.

In addition, there are multiple discrepancies between the whistleblower’s complaint – the piece of evidence central to the Democrats’ inquiry – and the closed-door testimony of the witnesses. For these reasons, we must assess the whistleblower’s credibility and the sources he or she utilized to develop the anonymous complaint.”

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortn...ena-the-bidens-and-the-whistleblower-n2556768
 
Sarge said:
Well, he actually has his **** together. He has documents and emails detailing conversations and such. Very credible is how I would describe him to this point.
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Can't watch anything at the moment, but I do see a President Pelosi trending on Twitter. I've seen that before, but sounds like his testimony is pretty damaging?
 
Steelworth said:
Can't watch anything at the moment, but I do see a President Pelosi trending on Twitter. I've seen that before, but sounds like his testimony is pretty damaging?
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Nah, it's still all bullshit. The fact is, Trump didn't do anything wrong. Whatever these traitors say doesn't change that.
 
Steelworth said:
Can't watch anything at the moment, but I do see a President Pelosi trending on Twitter. I've seen that before, but sounds like his testimony is pretty damaging?
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I don't know how damaging. I just felt like Sondland was telling the truth. He was able to back up most of what he said with dates, times, e-mails and the people involved. He was very matter of fact. Far more credible than the people they trotted up there giving opinion with no facts.

I still don't think it makes a difference. Trump was always going to be impeached. If I were a betting man, I would bet the articles of impeachment are already written. That said, who knows where this goes in the Senate. Pretty sure Romney isn't voting acquittal, and the rest of the Senate Republicans are so wishy washy, who knows what happens there.

But as I said, Sondland was at least credible.
 
Perception is reality. And the media creates the perception, of course the Dems needed at least one witness to sell it to the House



but WE know what this is all about

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Sarge said:
I don't know how damaging. I just felt like Sondland was telling the truth. He was able to back up most of what he said with dates, times, e-mails and the people involved. He was very matter of fact. Far more credible than the people they trotted up there giving opinion with no facts.

I still don't think it makes a difference. Trump was always going to be impeached. If I were a betting man, I would bet the articles of impeachment are already written. That said, who knows where this goes in the Senate. Pretty sure Romney isn't voting acquittal, and the rest of the Senate Republicans are so wishy washy, who knows what happens there.

But as I said, Sondland was at least credible.
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Things are so hyper-political right now, I'm just going to watch the chips fall where they may, hope that all laws are followed appropriately and that they can all get back to the business of Governing already.

*How naive of me*
 
Ironcitysteelers said:
I’m sooo doing this. Wait, I’m married with kid....I haven’t had cash on my since who knows.
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I'm not saying I've done this over 70 times or so and I'm not saying that is my quartz countertop those are sitting on.
 
Steelworth said:
Things are so hyper-political right now, I'm just going to watch the chips fall where they may, hope that all laws are followed appropriately and that they can all get back to the business of Governing already.

*How naive of me*
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No, not naive. I think we should all want what you just posted. But as you said, everything is hyper partisan.
 
Trump should let the government shutdown again. Instead of wasting our money on this lie congress should be working on a common sense spending bill and voting on the trade bill.
 
2:22 P.M. — Meadows points to Turner’s questioning as “game over” for the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry:

Wow.@RepMikeTurner: "Mr. Sondland, let's be clear: no one on this planet—not Donald Trump, Rudy Guiliani, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo—no one told you aid was tied to political investigations, is that correct."

Gordon Sondland: "That's correct."

Game over.

— Mark Meadows (@RepMarkMeadows) November 20, 2019
 
IndySteel said:
2:22 P.M. — Meadows points to Turner’s questioning as “game over” for the House Democrats’ impeachment inquiry:

Wow.@RepMikeTurner: "Mr. Sondland, let's be clear: no one on this planet—not Donald Trump, Rudy Guiliani, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo—no one told you aid was tied to political investigations, is that correct."

Gordon Sondland: "That's correct."

Game over.

— Mark Meadows (@RepMarkMeadows) November 20, 2019
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Facts aren't important. What's important is what he felt or thought at the time.
 
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