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The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

I bet there have been more Americans killed by illegal aliens that by right wing extremists.

"Bring more in!".....idiot Dems.
 
hamster said:
I bet there have been more Americans killed by illegal aliens that by right wing extremists.

"Bring more in!".....idiot Dems.
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From the article I posted above. You sir, are correct.

That is to say, we have good reason not to accept the numbers. According to The Washington Post, which relies on Global Terrorism Database data, there were zero acts of right-wing terrorism in the entire nation in 2002. Since then, we have seen a "surge," to 36 in a nation of 325-plus million people in 2017. Among those acts, there were 11 fatalities.

In other words, fewer homicides were committed by political terrorists of any stripe in the United States in 2017 than were committed by undocumented immigrants in the state of Texas alone -- which, I am assured, is an incredibly low number that shouldn't worry us very much. If one of these "surges" is scaremongering, why not the other?
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Tim Steelersfan said:
Here are the problems with your articles Tibor: the source and the methodology, though in many ways they are one in the same.

Left wing organizations jump...JUMP...at the opportunity to classify a shooting or a rock throwing as a hate crime, extreme, right wing, etc. They do not classify crimes committed by transgenders and lesbians, African Americans, Muslims as extremist or terrorist acts. AntiFA throws rocks at Conservatives, it is NOT labeled Left Wing Extremism. A white man throws a rock through an abortion clinic window, it's added to a data base of Right Wing extremist crimes. Liberals blow up a Republican political office in NC, it is NOT called a terrorist or extremist act.

Imagine the horror indeed of a rogue press and how misinformation and abuse of stats skews minds - just...like...yours.

  • DeWayne Craddock kills 12 in VA beach, 9 white. The media leaves this alone. Won't touch it. Has stopped covering it. Was this guy an extremist? We may never know.
  • BLM Micah Johnson kills 9 cops. If my memory serves, this still is not classified as "Left Wing" violence. Hmmmm.
  • James Hodgkinson shoots a Congressman. This isn't reported as Left Wing violence by your esteemed sources. Just a "nut."
  • The San Bernadino terrorists....not listed as Left Wing violence.
  • The Fort Hood shootings, listed instead as a "workplace shooting."
  • The recent Colorado transgender shootings were hate based. But will not be classified as such.
Getting the picture? See how this works? It's pure and utter data manipulation. To feed weak minds like yours.

This article states the facts in other ways.

There Is No 'Surge' in Right-Wing Violencehttps://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...s_no_surge_in_right-wing_violence_138791.html

A Washington Post "analysis" of domestic terrorism argues that attacks from white supremacists and other "far-right attackers" have been on the rise since Barack Obama's presidency and "surged since President Trump took office." It's a familiar storyline meant to assure liberals that yes, Trump-motivated right-wing terrorists are running wild. There are, however, a few problems with this proposition.

For one thing, even if we accept the numbers the Post offers, the use of the word "surge" -- meaning a sudden, powerful forward or upward movement -- strains credibility. There's no evidence of a "surge," either in historical context or as a matter of ideological preference.

That is to say, we have good reason not to accept the numbers. According to The Washington Post, which relies on Global Terrorism Database data, there were zero acts of right-wing terrorism in the entire nation in 2002. Since then, we have seen a "surge," to 36 in a nation of 325-plus million people in 2017. Among those acts, there were 11 fatalities.

In other words, fewer homicides were committed by political terrorists of any stripe in the United States in 2017 than were committed by undocumented immigrants in the state of Texas alone -- which, I am assured, is an incredibly low number that shouldn't worry us very much. If one of these "surges" is scaremongering, why not the other?

Then again, even if we use the criteria offered by the GTD, we need to be exceptionally generous to even get to 36 incidents of right-wing violence in 2017. (I could find only 32.)

For example, although the Post acknowledges that the Las Vegas shooter's motivations are still unknown, the GTD had no problem categorizing the murderer of 58 people as an "anti-government extremist." And it takes these sorts of assumptions to get in the vicinity of a "surge" in right-wing terrorism.

Of the 32 incidents I was able to find, 12 featured perpetrators who were merely "suspected" of being right-wing terrorists. Some of these incidents could have been the work of one person, as in the pellet gun shootings of Muslims in New York. In other incidents, we are asked to treat patently insane people as if they had coherent political agendas.

Still other events are even more opaque. In San Juan, Puerto Rico -- apparently a hotbed of white supremacy -- an incendiary device was thrown into a gay nightclub. No one was injured, thank goodness. Also, no one was caught, and no one claimed responsibility for the act. Yet the episode doesn't even earn a "suspected" designation from GTD.

If the definition of domestic terrorism is muddy at best, the definition of right-wing terrorism is often arbitrary and self-serving.

To help bolster right-wing terrorist stats, for instance, we would have to perfunctorily include every anti-Semitic act. The Washington Post even mentions an Anti-Defamation League study showing "a 57 percent surge in anti-Semitic incidents in 2017."

If anything, the ADL study should be cautionary, as it demonstrates how difficult it is to not only quantify these incidents but also categorize them ideologically. The ADL's faulty data were self-reported, for instance, and most of the "surge" can be attributed to a single Jewish teen in Israel calling in a number of bomb threats to Jewish centers.

In the real world, a Jewish American is probably likelier to encounter anti-Semitism at a college campus than anywhere else.

Then there is the matter of inconsistently defining terrorism. If throwing a rock through the window of an Islamic center is an act of right-wing terrorism, why isn't it an act of left-wing terrorism for anti-capitalists to throw rocks through the window of a business in Oregon? Surely, both fall under the description of terror, which the GTD defines as "the threatened or actual use of illegal force and violence by a non-state actor seeking to attain a political, economic, religious or social goal through fear, coercion, or intimidation." As far as I can tell, only one of these genres actually makes the cut for the GTD.

This is what happens when reporters work backward from a predetermined premise.

You'll notice, as well, that these analyses typically begin in 2002, seeing as the 2,977 Americans murdered on 9/11 are inconvenient to the white-supremacy-is-more-dangerous-than-radical-Islam narrative. The reason we don't have a real-life "surge" of attacks by Islamic extremists since 2001, incidentally, is that the United States has spent billions yearly to stop it.

Of course, political violence isn't the monopoly of any one group. Although there have been flare-ups of leftist violence in the 1900s and the 1960s and '70s, for the most part, this kind of violence is still rare. That could change. And none of this is to say horrible events aren't happening. Nor is it to say that haters don't exist. But exaggerating the problem for political reasons doesn't help anyone. Covering your partisan work with a bogus veneer of scientific analysis doesn't make it any more useful.
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Man, I really like reading intelligent posts from folks way smarter than me. Facts, and you know what fact. Thanks bud
 
MEXICAN COLLUSION!!!

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Yeah but.....

Trump puts kids in cages at the border.
Trump is Putin's puppet.
Trump obstructed justice for a crime that wasn't committed.
Trump is a white nationalist.

Oh, and Timothy McVeigh.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As far as I can tell the Mexican standoff has ended, for now, pretty much along the lines of NAFTA/USMCA: Trump huffed and puffed, US business managed to convey the message that a trade war would be a disaster, and he basically caved while pretending that he won</p>— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) <a href="https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1137339097415147520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Kudos to Maxine Waters for calling this one, lol,

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Spineless GOP Senators grew a backbone this week & finally stood up to their Dictator Trump on something: Mexico tariffs, also known as a TAX INCREASE on American consumers. Bet your bottom dollar, Trump will back off by the weekend. Just another bluff!</p>— Maxine Waters (@RepMaxineWaters) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepMaxineWaters/status/1137059255968817152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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oneforthebus said:
Antifa is not "fighting fascists". Stop saying that. They've protested speeches by conservative commentators at universities by smashing windows and setting fires.Using violence to silence people you disagree with isn't fighting fascism, it IS fascism.
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Sarge said:
Let’s be clear here. Antifa isn’t about fighting Nazi’s or white suprematism. What they are trying to do is force conformity to their ideology through property destruction and violence. Shouting down and silencing opposition. Kind of like what Nazi’s do.
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Sarge said:
Tibs knows that. His problem is that no one races over here to blame it on Trump.
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Come-on folks...Tibsy gets paid to post vitriol and rile the masses. There is no scenario that puts his posts on a plane with reality, Unka George would cut his salary and put him back on the boat.

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Good attempt at a spin Tibs and Maxine. Trump called Mexico's bluff and they folded. Add this into the column of Trump's huge number of wins as President. So disturbing that if something is good for America, Liberals hate it and vice versa. Why would that be?

The Mexican national guard will now be stationed at the border turning back people trying to sneak across. It will be reviewed in 90 days to make sure they are doing what they are supposed to. WIN!
 
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So disturbing that if something is good for America, Liberals hate it and vice versa. Why would that be?
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Because they hate America and want global socialism. Not one of them will argue against what I just said and if they attempt to, they are lying.
 
Tibs said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As far as I can tell the Mexican standoff has ended, for now, pretty much along the lines of NAFTA/USMCA: Trump huffed and puffed, US business managed to convey the message that a trade war would be a disaster, and he basically caved while pretending that he won</p>— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) <a href="https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1137339097415147520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Kudos to Maxine Waters for calling this one, lol,

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Spineless GOP Senators grew a backbone this week & finally stood up to their Dictator Trump on something: Mexico tariffs, also known as a TAX INCREASE on American consumers. Bet your bottom dollar, Trump will back off by the weekend. Just another bluff!</p>— Maxine Waters (@RepMaxineWaters) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepMaxineWaters/status/1137059255968817152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Interesting - you're changing subjects again Tibor? Guess I would too after the *** kicking you just received. Fine, moving right along. I promise not to bring up your favorite, about to be disbarred hero, Michael American Patriot Avenatti (whoops, I guess I sort of just did huh?).

This Mexico backlash is such typical partisan horse ****. Completely predictable. It's simply partisan politics. The second Trump does anything, literally anything, Mad Max the Horse and other Liberals WILL find a reason to not like it. They are locked and loaded and ready to fire with each and every move and tweet. And their lemmings, you being the lead, eat it up and repeat it like good lil soldiers. Max is proud of you. So are Lenin and Stalin and Marx.

It's a win and a damned good one.

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Hey lookie, it is Paul "the stock market is going to crash if Trump is elected" Krugman!


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Quoting Mad Maxine Waters now? I continuously think you've already hit your trollish bottom and you continuously prove me wrong.
 
Tibs said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As far as I can tell the Mexican standoff has ended, for now, pretty much along the lines of NAFTA/USMCA: Trump huffed and puffed, US business managed to convey the message that a trade war would be a disaster, and he basically caved while pretending that he won</p>— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) <a href="https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1137339097415147520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Kudos to Maxine Waters for calling this one, lol,

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Spineless GOP Senators grew a backbone this week & finally stood up to their Dictator Trump on something: Mexico tariffs, also known as a TAX INCREASE on American consumers. Bet your bottom dollar, Trump will back off by the weekend. Just another bluff!</p>— Maxine Waters (@RepMaxineWaters) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepMaxineWaters/status/1137059255968817152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I find it interesting that Waters thinks (well, thinks at all, basically) that a tax would increase consumers. I wonder where she got that idea.
 
When democrats are arguing against tax increases you know things are different.
 
Paying an extra nickle for my avocados or more expensive tequila doesn't scare me.

The U.S. imported $372 billion worth of products from Mexico in 2018, more than our trade total with Canada.

"U.S. trade with Mexico is basically all about cars," said one expert, with the U.S. importing $93 billion worth of cars or car parts last year, including $22 billion worth of car engines, $5 billion in car seats and $5 billion in chassis. ( didn't we used to make all these in Detroit ?)

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Second to cars is tech equipment, including $26 billion of computers and computer parts, semiconductors and software. ( again, why from Mexico ?..duh )

Americans also imported $6.7 billion worth of vegetables and $5.3 billion of fruit and nuts from Mexico.( yeah, they got no smelts down there )

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IMO it's all bullshit propaganda, cut them off completely and we wouldn't even know it if it wasn't for the bleeding heart media. Just go back to makin' all that **** right up here where it should never have left.

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The Trump base got played, yet again, who would have guessed? By now I imagine everyone's read the news Mexico had agreed to most of the provisions well before this recent hissy fit by Trump. His huffing and puffing and threats of tariffs achieved nothing.

Some - not all, but some - of you seem too intelligent to be led by your noses like this. I wonder when the fog will begin to lift?
 
Tibs said:
The Trump base got played, yet again, who would have guessed? By now I imagine everyone's read the news Mexico had agreed to most of the provisions well before this recent hissy fit by Trump. His huffing and puffing and threats of tariffs achieved nothing.

Some - not all, but some - of you seem too intelligent to be led by your noses like this. I wonder when the fog will begin to lift?
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You don’t even make any sense at this point. TDS afflicted moron.
 
Tibs said:
The Trump base got played, yet again, who would have guessed? By now I imagine everyone's read the news Mexico had agreed to most of the provisions well before this recent hissy fit by Trump. His huffing and puffing and threats of tariffs achieved nothing.

Some - not all, but some - of you seem too intelligent to be led by your noses like this. I wonder when the fog will begin to lift?
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Do you even read that **** before you post it?
 
IndySteel said:
You don’t even make any sense at this point. TDS afflicted moron.
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Iron95 said:
Do you even read that **** before you post it?
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/Sigh*

* emit a long, deep audible breath expressing sadness, relief, tiredness, or similar.

Mexico agreed to take action at border months before Trump deal to avert tariffs
https://thehill.com/latino/447592-m...months-before-trump-deal-to-avert-tariffs-nyt

President Trump's deal with Mexico on Friday to drop plans to impose sweeping tariffs on the country in exchange for Mexico's promise to crack down on illegal migration is reportedly made up largely of actions that Mexican officials had already agreed to in discussions over the past several months, The New York Times reported Saturday.

According to the Times, officials from both countries said Mexico's agreement on Friday to deploy its national guard throughout Mexico, "giving priority to its southern border," had already been promised in March during secret discussions with then-Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and Olga Sanchez, the Mexican secretary of the interior, in Miami.

Officials told the Times that the central part of Friday's deal, which expanded the program permitting asylum-seekers to remain in Mexico while their claims are processed, was also agreed upon before Friday's announcement. The Times noted that the Migrant Protection Protocols were announced in December by Nielsen during a House Judiciary Committee hearing.

The Times reported that it was not immediately clear whether Trump believes Friday's deal represents new concessions or whether his embrace of the agreement was an attempt to avoid possible negative political and economic ramifications from imposing steep tariffs on Mexico.
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No interest in debunking the NYT anymore. It's an embarrassment to journalism. We all know that Mexico hasn't done **** up to this point, and may even be facilitating.
 
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