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Wisconsin Recount Day 2 Totals: Trump Further Ahead by 3 Votes
Wisconsin recount totals for day 2 show that Donald Trump has inched ahead by a couple additional votes. Three to be exact.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/wisco...1-returns-two-latest-info-news-live-michigan/
Wisconsin recount totals for day 2 show that Donald Trump has inched ahead by a couple additional votes. Three to be exact.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/wisco...1-returns-two-latest-info-news-live-michigan/
Apparently she's backed out of the PA recount because she didn't have the money for the $1 million bond the law requires. So what did she do with all that money? George Soros wants to know.
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Chris Wallace interviews Stepford doctor, Jill "I couldn't win a ******* election in my living room" Stein about the bullshit recount.
******* ***** thinks voting machines can be "hacked." Uhhhh, no, doctor genius, the voting machines ARE NOT CONNECTED TO THE GODDAMN INTERNET!!!
******* ***** thinks voting machines can be "hacked." Uhhhh, no, doctor genius, the voting machines ARE NOT CONNECTED TO THE GODDAMN INTERNET!!!
Why doesn't Jill Stein want a recount in Nevada?
http://bb4sp.com/report-massive-voter-fraud-uncovered/
http://bb4sp.com/report-massive-voter-fraud-uncovered/
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Or California.
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Good grief the amount of fraud,corruption and non citizens voting in commiefornia must be astronomical. In fact any state that does not require ID to vote is wide open for abuse. As I've been saying for years. The law of the land should be ID for everyone. Hell I'd like to see a voter aptitude test,but that would never fly.
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WI Recount Day 4
Trump lead extended by 39 votes
https://twitter.com/EdMorrissey/status/805521431635304450
WI Recount Day 4
Trump lead extended by 39 votes
https://twitter.com/EdMorrissey/status/805521431635304450
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Wisconsin Recount Results Day 5: Trump Holds Lead in Updated Totals
Day 5 of the Wisconsin recount continued the pattern on previous days, as Donald Trump extended his Election Day lead over Hillary Clinton by a couple dozen votes.
Trump total net gain: 26 votes
http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/wisco...-numbers-update-latest-new-status-rules-laws/
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Watching Hillary lose to Trump a second time? Priceless.
Will she be giving another concession speech?
Day 5 of the Wisconsin recount continued the pattern on previous days, as Donald Trump extended his Election Day lead over Hillary Clinton by a couple dozen votes.
Trump total net gain: 26 votes
http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/wisco...-numbers-update-latest-new-status-rules-laws/
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Watching Hillary lose to Trump a second time? Priceless.
Will she be giving another concession speech?
Just goes to show that the voting system is very accurate. So it would be difficult to forge any votes, let alone a couple million.
Trump won fair and square.
Trump won fair and square.
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Judge's order suspends Michigan's recount
Detroit — A federal judge Wednesday suspended a recount of the Nov. 8 presidential election that started three days ago and has yet to reveal fraud or significantly alter the results.
The manual statewide recount cost as much as $3 million but ended after U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith lifted a temporary restraining order preventing state officials from stopping a recount prompted by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/07/judge-michigan-recount/95081650/
Judge's order suspends Michigan's recount
Detroit — A federal judge Wednesday suspended a recount of the Nov. 8 presidential election that started three days ago and has yet to reveal fraud or significantly alter the results.
The manual statewide recount cost as much as $3 million but ended after U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith lifted a temporary restraining order preventing state officials from stopping a recount prompted by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/07/judge-michigan-recount/95081650/
This is good until another judge tells them to restart the recount.
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Fail. Stop this bullshit.
Nah its going to end soon... there is ample legal precident that most recounts dont have to happen at this level without proof of real fraud or error... it was a money and feels grab from the get go
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Nevada Recount Results: Final Tallies Show Only 15 Vote Change
None of the recount efforts has changed the presidential election – despite the price tag – and that’s also true now in Nevada, which just concluded a partial recount.
According to a press release from the Nevada Secretary of State’s Office, the Nevada recount found these changes:
Hillary Clinton lost 9 votes. Donald Trump lost 6 votes.
The state will not conduct a statewide recount because so few errors were found.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/nevad...umbers-clinton-trump-de-la-fuente-laws-rules/
None of the recount efforts has changed the presidential election – despite the price tag – and that’s also true now in Nevada, which just concluded a partial recount.
According to a press release from the Nevada Secretary of State’s Office, the Nevada recount found these changes:
Hillary Clinton lost 9 votes. Donald Trump lost 6 votes.
The state will not conduct a statewide recount because so few errors were found.
http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/nevad...umbers-clinton-trump-de-la-fuente-laws-rules/
derp derp derp
Judge's order suspends Michigan's recount
Detroit — A federal judge Wednesday suspended a recount of the Nov. 8 presidential election that started three days ago and has yet to reveal fraud or significantly alter the results.
The manual statewide recount cost as much as $3 million but ended after U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith lifted a temporary restraining order preventing state officials from stopping a recount prompted by Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/07/judge-michigan-recount/95081650/
Top row, drinking water=hit
Middle 3=pass, pass, HITx2
Bottom right corner with only eyes showing=hit
remember this?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-accept-election-results_us_582094f8e4b0aac6248591c7
Here’s What Could Happen If Donald Trump Doesn’t Accept The Election Results
This is scary stuff.
11/07/2016 12:32 pm ET | Updated Nov 07, 2016
WASHINGTON ― Samuel J. Tilden had a problem.
It was 1876, and the Democratic presidential nominee was one vote shy of the 185 Electoral College votes needed to secure the nation’s highest office. Tilden had swept the popular vote, winning 247,448 more ballots than his opponent Rutherford B. Hayes ― who also lagged behind in Electoral College votes, with 165.
But 20 votes had not been counted: one from Oregon, four from Florida, eight from Louisiana and seven from South Carolina. Democratic candidates had used fraud and violence to sweep the state-level elections in the South. But since Republicans still maintained control of the state electoral boards, they could throw out votes in order to secure Hayes a win. On March 5, 1877, an Electoral Commission established by Congress confirmed Hayes would be America’s 19th president.
During this political upheaval, there were talks of civil unrest, and fears of a second Civil War or the election being rigged to favor a candidate who better served the interests of the party in power. But Tilden, who had pretty good reason to think he was cheated, did not question the legitimacy of the results and conceded the election.
Current Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump may not be as gracious.
During the final presidential debate, Trump refused to say he would accept the election results in the contest against Hillary Clinton. In fact, as his chances of winning have dropped, his claims that the election is rigged against him have increased. (And, unlike Tilden, Trump doesn’t have a case.)
Fifty-six percent of Americans think Trump should concede if he loses on Tuesday, and 31 percent of those who believe he should concede think it would be a major threat to U.S. democracy if he doesn’t, according to a HuffPost/YouGov poll conducted this month.
Along party lines, the divide gets more stark. Only 48 percent of Republicans think Trump should concede if Clinton is declared the winner, compared to 77 percent of Democrats, based on the HuffPost/YouGov poll. Eighty-six percent of Republicans surveyed believe Clinton should concede versus 67 percent of Democrats.
Some political reporters and experts have argued that it doesn’t matter whether Trump accepts the election outcome. To some extent, they’re right: If Trump loses, he’ll have few legal recourses to contest the result.
But what if Trump doesn’t concede?
“Ever since Thomas Jefferson effected the first change in party power in 1800, our democracy has depended upon the peaceful transfer of power and the idea of an opposition — but a loyal opposition,” Allan Lichtman, a political historian at American University, told The Huffington Post. “Is Trump going to change 200 years of American history?”
No one knows. But Trump refusing to concede would flip the bird to a long American tradition of accepting a loss in a presidential election. And refusing to bow out peacefully could have real-life consequences.
Here are a few:
Undermining The Next President
Many of Trump’s supporters think the election is rigged. Nearly half do not believe their votes will be counted, according to a Politico/Morning Consult poll. This could make it difficult or impossible for Clinton to govern, Lichtman said.
“If people don’t accept the legitimacy of the president, that could spread to lawmakers,” he said. Trump’s lack of willingness to concede could make it more difficult for Republicans in Congress to compromise as well as harder for the sitting president to muster public support for any issue she wants to pursue.
But Republicans in Congress are already reluctant to compromise with the current Democratic president. One reason is because of the birther movement, a racist crusade led by Trump in an attempt to delegitimize President Barack Obama’s place in the White House. And, in January, at least 53 percent of Republicans still questioned whether Obama is American.
Triggering Violence
The most commonly cited danger of Trump refusing to accept the election outcome is that it could lead to violence.
The idea isn’t so far-fetched. Trump rally attendees have physically and verbally abused protesters. Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke encouraged his fellow Trump supporters to take up pitchforks and torches following claims of a rigged election. And attacks on Clinton are even more vicious. In July, one Trump supporter said Clinton should be executed via firing squad. Trump himself suggested Clinton should be shot during a campaign rally in August. Another supporter followed suit in October, saying Clinton “needs to be taken out,” before adding, “If I have to be a patriot, I will.”
And half of likely voters fear that violence may happen on Election Day, according to an October USA Today/Suffolk University poll.
Undermining Democracy
There’s also a threat that Trump refusing to concede could undermine democracy itself.
It sounds extreme. But peaceful transfers of power have kept America a stable democracy for centuries. If that tradition ends, it could shake the belief that democracy is effective and cause voters to become more apathetic or adopt a more extreme political ideology.
Voters should think about how elections work in developing countries, argued Mark Tessler, a political science professor at the University of Michigan. In 2007, he notes, an unclear election result in Kenya triggered violence that killed more than 1,300 people and displaced 600,000 more.
“If people think elections are unfair or rigged or fraudulent in some important way, this has an important impact on their basic commitment to democracy,” he said.
Dissenters are often people who had economic or political grievances before the election and are looking for a solution. “The election,” Tessler said, “is kind of a sign that nothing is going to change.”
Many of Trump’s supporters fit this bill ― they think they don’t have a say in the political system and that it operates against them.
“Some of the people who are gravitating ... to Trump are people who feel, rightly or wrongly, that the system doesn’t care about them,” Tessler said. “Belief that the election is rigged may be a confirmation of that in their minds.”
Ariel Edwards-Levy contributed reporting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-accept-election-results_us_582094f8e4b0aac6248591c7
Here’s What Could Happen If Donald Trump Doesn’t Accept The Election Results
This is scary stuff.
11/07/2016 12:32 pm ET | Updated Nov 07, 2016
WASHINGTON ― Samuel J. Tilden had a problem.
It was 1876, and the Democratic presidential nominee was one vote shy of the 185 Electoral College votes needed to secure the nation’s highest office. Tilden had swept the popular vote, winning 247,448 more ballots than his opponent Rutherford B. Hayes ― who also lagged behind in Electoral College votes, with 165.
But 20 votes had not been counted: one from Oregon, four from Florida, eight from Louisiana and seven from South Carolina. Democratic candidates had used fraud and violence to sweep the state-level elections in the South. But since Republicans still maintained control of the state electoral boards, they could throw out votes in order to secure Hayes a win. On March 5, 1877, an Electoral Commission established by Congress confirmed Hayes would be America’s 19th president.
During this political upheaval, there were talks of civil unrest, and fears of a second Civil War or the election being rigged to favor a candidate who better served the interests of the party in power. But Tilden, who had pretty good reason to think he was cheated, did not question the legitimacy of the results and conceded the election.
Current Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump may not be as gracious.
During the final presidential debate, Trump refused to say he would accept the election results in the contest against Hillary Clinton. In fact, as his chances of winning have dropped, his claims that the election is rigged against him have increased. (And, unlike Tilden, Trump doesn’t have a case.)
Fifty-six percent of Americans think Trump should concede if he loses on Tuesday, and 31 percent of those who believe he should concede think it would be a major threat to U.S. democracy if he doesn’t, according to a HuffPost/YouGov poll conducted this month.
Along party lines, the divide gets more stark. Only 48 percent of Republicans think Trump should concede if Clinton is declared the winner, compared to 77 percent of Democrats, based on the HuffPost/YouGov poll. Eighty-six percent of Republicans surveyed believe Clinton should concede versus 67 percent of Democrats.
Some political reporters and experts have argued that it doesn’t matter whether Trump accepts the election outcome. To some extent, they’re right: If Trump loses, he’ll have few legal recourses to contest the result.
But what if Trump doesn’t concede?
“Ever since Thomas Jefferson effected the first change in party power in 1800, our democracy has depended upon the peaceful transfer of power and the idea of an opposition — but a loyal opposition,” Allan Lichtman, a political historian at American University, told The Huffington Post. “Is Trump going to change 200 years of American history?”
No one knows. But Trump refusing to concede would flip the bird to a long American tradition of accepting a loss in a presidential election. And refusing to bow out peacefully could have real-life consequences.
Here are a few:
Undermining The Next President
Many of Trump’s supporters think the election is rigged. Nearly half do not believe their votes will be counted, according to a Politico/Morning Consult poll. This could make it difficult or impossible for Clinton to govern, Lichtman said.
“If people don’t accept the legitimacy of the president, that could spread to lawmakers,” he said. Trump’s lack of willingness to concede could make it more difficult for Republicans in Congress to compromise as well as harder for the sitting president to muster public support for any issue she wants to pursue.
But Republicans in Congress are already reluctant to compromise with the current Democratic president. One reason is because of the birther movement, a racist crusade led by Trump in an attempt to delegitimize President Barack Obama’s place in the White House. And, in January, at least 53 percent of Republicans still questioned whether Obama is American.
Triggering Violence
The most commonly cited danger of Trump refusing to accept the election outcome is that it could lead to violence.
The idea isn’t so far-fetched. Trump rally attendees have physically and verbally abused protesters. Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke encouraged his fellow Trump supporters to take up pitchforks and torches following claims of a rigged election. And attacks on Clinton are even more vicious. In July, one Trump supporter said Clinton should be executed via firing squad. Trump himself suggested Clinton should be shot during a campaign rally in August. Another supporter followed suit in October, saying Clinton “needs to be taken out,” before adding, “If I have to be a patriot, I will.”
And half of likely voters fear that violence may happen on Election Day, according to an October USA Today/Suffolk University poll.
Undermining Democracy
There’s also a threat that Trump refusing to concede could undermine democracy itself.
It sounds extreme. But peaceful transfers of power have kept America a stable democracy for centuries. If that tradition ends, it could shake the belief that democracy is effective and cause voters to become more apathetic or adopt a more extreme political ideology.
Voters should think about how elections work in developing countries, argued Mark Tessler, a political science professor at the University of Michigan. In 2007, he notes, an unclear election result in Kenya triggered violence that killed more than 1,300 people and displaced 600,000 more.
“If people think elections are unfair or rigged or fraudulent in some important way, this has an important impact on their basic commitment to democracy,” he said.
Dissenters are often people who had economic or political grievances before the election and are looking for a solution. “The election,” Tessler said, “is kind of a sign that nothing is going to change.”
Many of Trump’s supporters fit this bill ― they think they don’t have a say in the political system and that it operates against them.
“Some of the people who are gravitating ... to Trump are people who feel, rightly or wrongly, that the system doesn’t care about them,” Tessler said. “Belief that the election is rigged may be a confirmation of that in their minds.”
Ariel Edwards-Levy contributed reporting.
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yeah, it's all over now
Michigan Supreme Court Slams The Door On Jill Steins Recount Case
The Michigan Supreme Court on Friday shot down Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein’s request to hear an appeal of a lower court ruling that had halted the state’s election recount.
The decision effectively ends the Michigan recount ― and in so doing, ends any hope that Stein’s broader recount efforts would change the election result. Stein has sought recounts in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania as well, but Hillary Clinton needed to be declared the winner in all three states to best Donald Trump in the Electoral College.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ill-stein-recount_us_584c20e5e4b0bd9c3dfd1458
Michigan Supreme Court Slams The Door On Jill Steins Recount Case
The Michigan Supreme Court on Friday shot down Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein’s request to hear an appeal of a lower court ruling that had halted the state’s election recount.
The decision effectively ends the Michigan recount ― and in so doing, ends any hope that Stein’s broader recount efforts would change the election result. Stein has sought recounts in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania as well, but Hillary Clinton needed to be declared the winner in all three states to best Donald Trump in the Electoral College.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ill-stein-recount_us_584c20e5e4b0bd9c3dfd1458
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Good job making her richer........morons.
The bigger threat, though admittedly a longshot... is the dems electoral voters putting another republican in play hoping to draw votes from trump... get him under 270 and take it to the house and its possible the repubs split their vote and Hillary wins...
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Or a more likely outcome ... Kang and Kodos split the vote, Hillary is determined to be a 3rd creature from Planet Rigel VII and wins the election when another Rigel VII emigre, Nancy Pelosi's original face, lobbies support behind Hillary.
The gift that keeps on giving.
With all of the why shill lost excuses, the hope that they will ever come to their senses is fading fast.
With all of the why shill lost excuses, the hope that they will ever come to their senses is fading fast.
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