The worst team I can remember
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It's like old home week around here. ****** Steelers teams bring out the ghosts, it seems.
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How can this team possibly attract a legitimate veteran quarterback with this offensive line?
Tomlin has become the Marvin Lewis of this era
But really, has he always been a Marvin Lewis reincarnate but just blessed with epic players to start his tenure with?
Tomlin has become the Marvin Lewis of this era
But really, has he always been a Marvin Lewis reincarnate but just blessed with epic players to start his tenure with?
Crap.... You're right...Well Hell...
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Speaking of Marvin Lewis I'd take him as our new Defensive Coordinator if he's available.
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Pittsburgh is a poorly coached team that has slowly had their discipline eroded the last decade as Cowher's players have retired. Besides Watt, Heyward, Ben and maybe a couple of others they are just a bunch of street punks.
You have the WR (Smith-Schuster) who just wanted to make videos dancing on the other teams logo before the game. Another WR (Claypool) who is more interested in making a first down pose with the clock running and less than a minute left while going on the game tying drive. Then to top it off yesterday you have another WR (McCloud) take a taunting penalty down 30-0.
Can you imagine Cowher or Noll allowing that. Although it never would have even got to them. Mean Joe, Lambert, Bettis, Lloyd or any of the others would have taken care of it. Now they have a "coach" that not only condones it but defends it. Fortunately the retired players are now speaking out. Maybe they can restore the team culture once Tomlin is gone if the latest ******* Rooney ever fires that piece of ****.
You have the WR (Smith-Schuster) who just wanted to make videos dancing on the other teams logo before the game. Another WR (Claypool) who is more interested in making a first down pose with the clock running and less than a minute left while going on the game tying drive. Then to top it off yesterday you have another WR (McCloud) take a taunting penalty down 30-0.
Can you imagine Cowher or Noll allowing that. Although it never would have even got to them. Mean Joe, Lambert, Bettis, Lloyd or any of the others would have taken care of it. Now they have a "coach" that not only condones it but defends it. Fortunately the retired players are now speaking out. Maybe they can restore the team culture once Tomlin is gone if the latest ******* Rooney ever fires that piece of ****.
I think poor talent acquisition is a far greater problem with this organization than coaching.
That said, I also believe that Tomlins time here has run it's course and it's time for a change.
That said, I also believe that Tomlins time here has run it's course and it's time for a change.
Bush will be back next year and don't be surprised if they pick up his 5th-year option. Also, Claypool is in year two. He is a physical freak. He has talent. He needs to mature and that can be corrected. He isn't going anywhere. He and Diontae will be our top 2 WR's for the next 2 years and then we will see what happens. Green will also be at center next year. He has the heart, tenacity, and fight they want at the position. He needs strength in the right places and that he can gain in his first NFL offseason in an NFL training program. Moore will be much better as well for many of the same reasons.
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I disagree, with Bill the Steelers always had a next man up approach. I always remember losing a top tier player to free agency or and injury. An unknown player on the roster would be plugged in and play well and the team wouldn’t miss a beat. Many times a new star was born. I think this has everything to do with coaching. None or very few of our players ever seem to show improvement year over year. Tomlin is a pedigree guy and our stars are very rarely are a product of being coached and molded. This is the biggest reason our trajectory has been consistently going down as the core players from Bill’s teams faded. Tomlin stepped into a great situation and his style worked with a loaded roster. He brings very little with X’s and O’s. He will never bring this team back. I do think he would flourish in college were he could recruit top tier talent and just have a better roster than everyone constantly reloading and never having to coach up players.
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No doubt that Colbert has **** the bed as well.
Following the infamous Artie Burns/Sean Davis draft, the Steelers proceeded to draft a receiver in the second round five straight years with mixed results, while holes developed in other parts of the roster.
Those second and third round picks used in the Devin Bush trade hurt as well.
Typically, when a team is as bad as the Steelers currently are, it's a product of years of both bad coaching and personnel decisions.
And we traded with the Browns to get the second coming of Troy Polamalu...Shamarko Thomas.
Yep bad off-season coaching hires. Bad off-season failure to address C properly. Bad decision making after Tuitt and Alu went out/down. Bad decision to bring a immobile franchise QB back on a year they revamp the Oline. If you do that you attack the Oline early in free agency and not with fringe stop gaps and raw draftables. Their approach was cheap all the way around and not surprisingly had bad results.
When I read that, the first and only thing that sticks out is that this has everything to do with poor talent evaluation!
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I’m sure that has to do with some of it but coaching is a much bigger part. It’s the nfl all players drafted have the size strength speed and ability to play. Great teams coach up players and put them in positions to excel. At this level it is coaching attention to detail and want. The want is culture created by the coaching staff. We used to impose our will. We out hit you. We out worked the opponent. That is not drafted that is coaching and a mindset. Our current standard is not the standard of old and that is solely on the coaching staff.
So when you combine this with what Punxs had to say, it seems that talent evaluation/acquisition is a far greater problem with this team than X and O's / gameday coaching.
My theory is that good talent can overcome poor coaching. The other way around can only go so far.
Poorly coached. Yes, indeed.
However, to say the Cowher players retired, and this yielded the problems might be stretching things a little.
I think we tend to attribute eiher tto much or too little to the HC in charge at the time.
That is to say, I think saying 'The players of that space of time retored, and the newer crop of players have grown up in a different age. One where behavior that would have resulted in you being laid out on the field, by your own players, is no longer frowned upon, but has been condoned and promoted enough, that it is now turned into a show on its own.'
Being a COF (Crusty Old Fart) myself, I look around the league, and see more and more of this behavior every year. And it grinds my gears like a millenial with a stickshift.
I had had my fill of Tomlin back in '10, but as much as i loathe his lax attitude, plautitudes and lack of ability to manage time, make adjustments, and gameplan for 1st. quarter, I just can't bring myself to place the burden of the change in upbringing of other ppl's kids along with mainstream medias indulgence of attention whoring on his shoulders.
Should he crack down on said behavior? Damn straight he should!
But as we have seen, if someone is just stubborn enough, they can get away with turning into a malignant cancer and poisining everything around them. The media will continue gargling their balls and defend their acting up. And if court of public opinion swings, the coach might even start to feel a little heat from ownership... I mean, doesn't AB still owe the franchise some cash? How did Bell sitting out pouting not result in him having a year added?
Couple this with the fact that newer fans often gravitate towards a player rather than a team. Add social media to the mix... I can see it get hard to tighten the reigns on someone with a large following and me-first personality. And field a team capable of delivering weekly.
While the above lines may sound like a defense for Tomlin, make no mistake. I think he needs gone, yesterday. He tried, and failed miserably, obviously.
If we want a disciplined team, working for the team, a lot of ppl have given a good recipe.
Clean out the infestation, and look for guys that will WORK for the team. Don't try to force square pegs into round holes. Get good coaches, and hang on to them. (This franchise might actually be able to not knee-jerk, it'll take a few years).
I think them most damning thing I read about this current was was summed up in:
The team is not just bad, it is sad.
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Tomlin is not going to change. If you want change you’re going to have to change coaches. The players “like” him because he lets them run the show.
This team won’t make the playoffs again as long as he’s the coach.
This team won’t make the playoffs again as long as he’s the coach.
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It's good to set goals.
Problem is Tombert shares that draft/free agent failure evenly. I think you have to axe both if you truly want to refresh and solve your issues.
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Steelers FO needs a hard reset on how we approach FA and signing veteran players. Can't keep restocking purely through the draft. Most rookies need a couple of years before being able to handle prominent roles. Would like to see us be *much more* aggressive going after higher level FA talent, instead of passively waiting around for the crumbs, once the feeding frenzy is over.
With sitting on 10 mil and the plethora of money available upcoming, add to that having someone very capable of manipulating cap space there is no excuse to stick with that bottom dollar approach to fail.
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They sat on it so it'll carry over into next year. Just like they stuck with underperforming rookies on the offensive line. Go with what you've got this year and start fresh in 2022.