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The worst team I can remember

slashsteel said:
With sitting on 10 mil and the plethora of money available upcoming, add to that having someone very capable of manipulating cap space there is no excuse to stick with that bottom dollar approach to fail.
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We may see a generational, historic shift this offseason, with Colbert stepping down. I've been extremely tentative to say the same about Tomlin, but I'm now on the fence which way this will go. He has been here as long as Cowher, 22 years, you never know. Namely, there may be a complete regime change on the horizon, with a new GM bringing in a new HC with completely new coaching staff, up and down the board. Again, I've been hesistant to see the sun setting on Tomlin's tenure here, and have generally supported him, but I'm starting to get a funny feeling about this, seeing how fundamentally *off* this team has been on the field.

The other option will surely boil the blood of the fanbase, and that would be the Steelers doubling-down on Tomlin, and making a decision to build around him in the future. Bringing in a GM to pair with Tomlin and allow the two of them to do the post-Ben rebuild. I also wonder if Tomlin himself would be keen on doing this, basically starting a rebuild at this stage in his career. Who the **** knows?
 
I'm all for having continuity, not replacing the coach and having knee jerk reaction to a bad season or two. This isn't a season or two, this is a decade or two. Why is Tomlin in charge of when he goes? If any of us don't get our job done, we get told about it and if improvement isn't there in a reasonable timeframe we get kicked out the door. Why does Tomlin get a pass every year? Hell, he even got an extension.

I agree with you guys too, we need to be more aggressive in free agency. This isn't 1970 anymore. Sure, you can get guys through the draft but why not do more of what we did to get Minkah. Trade a number one pick to get a proven young star.
 
Tibs said:
We may see a generational, historic shift this offseason, with Colbert stepping down. I've been extremely tentative to say the same about Tomlin, but I'm now on the fence which way this will go. He has been here as long as Cowher, 22 years, you never know. Namely, there may be a complete regime change on the horizon, with a new GM bringing in a new HC with completely new coaching staff, up and down the board. Again, I've been hesistant to see the sun setting on Tomlin's tenure here, and have generally supported him, but I'm starting to get a funny feeling about this, seeing how fundamentally *off* this team has been on the field.

The other option will surely boil the blood of the fanbase, and that would be the Steelers doubling-down on Tomlin, and making a decision to build around him in the future. Bringing in a GM to pair with Tomlin and allow the two of them to do the post-Ben rebuild. I also wonder if Tomlin himself would be keen on doing this, basically starting a rebuild at this stage in his career. Who the **** knows?
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I’ve had a feeling also that Tomlin may resign in the face of the abyss. I had the same thought watching Mike McCarthy last night. Suddenly, he’s the new hot coach with a talented Dallas Cowboys team. In other words a coach who had become stale like Tomlin with his steady, model franchise in his last stop. Tomlin might do better sitting out a year and hand picking his next situation.
 
Stewey said:
My theory is that good talent can overcome poor coaching. The other way around can only go so far.
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Absolutely not in football! Maybe in baseball where it's one on one battles - pitcher vs batter. Football is more about scheming and attention to detail.

Look how fast Switzer ran Jimmy Johnson's team into the ground.
 
In 1998 and 99 we missed the playoffs because we were trying to turn Kordell Stewart into a pocket QB while the defense was getting rebuilt from its blitzburgh phase. in 2000 it was more of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole with converting to gilbrides offense... that and picking kent graham to start the season... honestly after a 0-3 start they finished 9-7 and barely missed the playoffs... you had the feeling they could make some noise there if they made it...
after that there was 03.. which was a combination of a lot of injuries and a lot of rookies not quite ready to play... that was the worse season... you knew the talent was there but it just wasnt ready... that was also the biggest surge of the fire cowher movement... That season you never felt like you were in games...

then 06, when Cowher went through the motions and Ben played after losing a ton of strength after having his mouth wired shut most of the offseason... other than that you felt like you had a shot at the super bowl almost every single season Cowher coached...

Tomlin can chalk 09 up to massive injuries, and in 12 it was a collapse down the stretch due to injuries... 13 was a slow 0-4 start that sank them, but by the end they looked good...

these last few years though there has been little hope... he definitely has a track record of losing to inferior teams in the playoffs... coupled with just tones of mediocre play and slow starts and a very top heavy roster with too many special teams only players on it... there is a fade down the stretch every season and little hope for a super bowl
 
steelcan58 said:
Absolutely not in football! Maybe in baseball where it's one on one battles - pitcher vs batter. Football is more about scheming and attention to detail.

Look how fast Switzer ran Jimmy Johnson's team into the ground.
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So Chuck Noll ran a 4 time Super Bowl winner to the ground in the 80's?
Of course not. He worked with the talent he had.

Attention to detail is stressed in all levels of football. Most have played since high school. I can't believe our O linemen are getting blown up because they lack attention to detail.
I just think they just plain suck.
The object is to kick the *** of the opponent across from you, and they're not getting it done.

You need to first start with physical talent....then comes scheming and attention to detail.
 
PolamaluFanForever43 said:
I'm all for having continuity, not replacing the coach and having knee jerk reaction to a bad season or two. This isn't a season or two, this is a decade or two. Why is Tomlin in charge of when he goes? If any of us don't get our job done, we get told about it and if improvement isn't there in a reasonable timeframe we get kicked out the door. Why does Tomlin get a pass every year? Hell, he even got an extension.

I agree with you guys too, we need to be more aggressive in free agency. This isn't 1970 anymore. Sure, you can get guys through the draft but why not do more of what we did to get Minkah. Trade a number one pick to get a proven young star.
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Because finding a young plsyer of star quality thstca team is cutting bait on thst fits your system is rare at best.. mostly you are getting damaged goods.

Trading is not a good way to build a team. You can maybe get a piece or two that your scouts cant uncover… free agency simply means you are overpaying for a player… the best option is to rehab a misused or underdeveloped guy there… both of those options are best to finish off a roster not build one

You hope to get four players worth a damn out of each draft, add at least one quality udfa, and find one or two long term projects that pan out from your practice squad … quality players last five to eight years at a minimum so that more or less gets youbthe bulk of yourcrostercwith the balance being filled with ufas and trades…

A little development goes a long way to securing a great roster…
 
Stewey said:
So Chuck Noll ran a 4 time Super Bowl winner to the ground in the 80's?
Of course not. He worked with the talent he had.

Attention to detail is stressed in all levels of football. Most have played since high school. I can't believe our O linemen are getting blown up because they lack attention to detail.
I just think they just plain suck.
The object is to kick the *** of the opponent across from you, and they're not getting it done.

You need to first start with physical talent....then comes scheming and attention to detail.
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It might be sacrilege but I don't believe Noll was a great coach at the end. The team had been heading in the wrong direction for quite some time. In fact out of the great coaches of the Super Bowl era only Billicheat hasn't reached an expiration date. They lose their focus (and yes attention to detail) over time. It happened to Shula, it happened to Landry. Walsh had to step away.

And Tomlin should not be listed with those above.
 
steelcan58 said:
It might be sacrilege but I don't believe Noll was a great coach at the end. The team had been heading in the wrong direction for quite some time. In fact out of the great coaches of the Super Bowl era only Billicheat hasn't reached an expiration date. They lose their focus (and yes attention to detail) over time. It happened to Shula, it happened to Landry. Walsh had to step away.

And Tomlin should not be listed with those above.
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He was tired. He had a really good team built he handed off to Cowher.

You win as much as they did and you're drafting near last or last at least 4 times up through 1980.


His last season. 1991 roster standouts. He was building another champion, he told his wife that too, but he just couldn't do it anymore and wanted to enjoy life.

That man was a great builder and teacher.

Gary Anderson
Dermontti Dawson
Barry Foster
Eric Green
Meril Hoge
John Jackson
Tunch Ilkin
Carnell Lake
Luis Lipps
David Little
Greg Lloyd
Erie Mills
Hardy Nickerson
Neil O'Donnell
Justin Strzelczyk
Rod Woodson
 
Steelr4evr said:
He was tired. He had a really good team built he handed off to Cowher.

You win as much as they did and you're drafting near last or last at least 4 times up through 1980.


His last season. 1991 roster standouts. He was building another champion, he told his wife that too, but he just couldn't do it anymore and wanted to enjoy life.

That man was a great builder and teacher.

Gary Anderson
Dermontti Dawson
Barry Foster
Eric Green
Meril Hoge
John Jackson
Tunch Ilkin
Carnell Lake
Luis Lipps
David Little
Greg Lloyd
Erie Mills
Hardy Nickerson
Neil O'Donnell
Justin Strzelczyk
Rod Woodson
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Well put. It happens after 20+ years putting in the day to day effort to coach at that high of a level.
 
Cut banner Bens contract gone sign Orlando brown jr 5 years best rt or get Taylor from jags try getting juju on 4 years 40 hometown discount vet qb to try to trade for 2 firsts for Wilson or a rod if not mid round for jimmy g draft round 1 dt Davis round 2 best cb resign Haden and ebron 1 yr 1.2 mill deals. Add 2 vet edge rushers. This is a rough start
 
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