Like I said all those other times...i do think that, but, it doesn't mean a lifetime appointment to coach the Steelers. I have always been clear on that. If you remember the first part be fair and recall that I have said the second also.
There is no reason left.
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I wouldn't say kennys pocket awareness got him injured. The ridiculous play call got him injured. Also on that play pressure was starting to come up the middle. He does have some happy feet, but i can't really blame him because the line is so inconsistent. I think this is leading to his accuracy being off. As for arm strength your argument makes no sense. It is much shorter to throw the ball to the middle of the field than to throw out routes. He is throwing the ball 20+ yrds to gain 5. Pickett was making the throws in the preseason so they are there. He is shell shocked, lacking confidence, and lacking a coaching staff. Maybe he will not be the answer, but it is near impossible to judge him with this staff
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Pickett's pocket presence has always been a weakness. He got away with it in college and can't replicate it in the pros. Here's another example. No reason to run himself into pressure.
There's nothing "outstanding" about a head coach who hasn't won a playoff game in almost 7 years. In Pittsburgh or anywhere else.
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diver, c'mon man...the BEST I can do with this is HCMT is a likeable guy and a good public speaker BUT as a coach (except for players), he misses the first thing a good LEADER does. A good leader surrounds himself with great minds (to make himself look even better). He won't have anyone calling for HIS head if he has great assistants. He "learns" more from having those great minds around him and just "directs" their energies.
HCMT has been horrible from the get-go at "making routine calls, routinely". He can't even master a red flag challenge (even after appointing a special helper).
Instead, he has become a serial "meddler". He meddles in everyone else's functions and seems to make things worse. He makes them become less creative, enthusiastic and proud of their craft. He's even caused some to just quit. Now the word is out. You don't get to do what you do here as an assistant without the "meddler".
This cannot be good for the franchise I grew up a fan of. Cowher meddled too BUT he had an easy way of taking the blame and "bagging" on himself with his staff when he was wrong. Tomlin has an ego of self-righteousness that disallows him to be wrong...about players, plays, play-calls, schemes, etc. Like Lebeau, Arians, Munch, Butler, Sarrett, Klemm, Olsavsky, Porter, Montgomery, Horton...
HCMT has been horrible from the get-go at "making routine calls, routinely". He can't even master a red flag challenge (even after appointing a special helper).
Instead, he has become a serial "meddler". He meddles in everyone else's functions and seems to make things worse. He makes them become less creative, enthusiastic and proud of their craft. He's even caused some to just quit. Now the word is out. You don't get to do what you do here as an assistant without the "meddler".
This cannot be good for the franchise I grew up a fan of. Cowher meddled too BUT he had an easy way of taking the blame and "bagging" on himself with his staff when he was wrong. Tomlin has an ego of self-righteousness that disallows him to be wrong...about players, plays, play-calls, schemes, etc. Like Lebeau, Arians, Munch, Butler, Sarrett, Klemm, Olsavsky, Porter, Montgomery, Horton...
It doesn't matter what I think. It matters what they think. I can think a coach is outstanding but also think his time is up. They are not mutually exclusive thoughts. Therefore, if I was in charge, I would fire Tomlin as head coach. I have said this for a while. Isn't that what you would want?
As I said above, in all that back and forth we had previously, I stated I would move on from Mike Tomlin. Isn't that what matters...we draw the same conclusion but we come at it differently. It's the same conclusion.
I never said that your two profound thoughts about Tomlin are mutually exclusive. But continuing to assert that the the Steelers should move on doesn't explain why you, still to this day, "really do" believe that he is an "outstanding coach." Ten or twelve years ago, yeah, you could say that. But now?
As I said above, there is nothing outstanding about Mike Tomlin. I suppose that perhaps his standard of non-losing mediocrity stands out to some people in the national media, who don't follow the Steelers as closely as we do here. What's your excuse?
Why does it concern you? Do you need to have absolute compliance with your thoughts and feelings on this issue?
So a couple of things there… that is a good example of him feeling imaginary pressure, however the reason that happens is that the Steelers oline has not been giving him any pocket consistently… he expected pressure from the blind side because we allow pressure from the blind side so regularly it’s absurd….
This is basic conditioning principles… if you smack someone with a ruler after doing something 100 times, when that person does that action, they will expect tge negative consequences even when it doesn’t happen…
Look up the banana on the ladder experiment…
I don’t think people grasp how badly we have schemed this offense… the raiders game was an outlier because they are one of the worse teams in the league at generating pressure on the qb… literally after playing the raiders our pocket time jumped from 1.7 seconds ( horrendous in the first 2 games) to a respectable 2.4 seconds, meaning Pickett had much more time before things collapsed)
Here is what we are managing in pass protection:
Pickett is the most pressured qb by %… leads the league with a 34.7%… zach wilson is the only other qb over 28%. However… pickett also holds the distinction of being 29th overall in times blitzed… so teams are getting massive pressure on him with only four or fewer guys… meaning that most pass plays have extra defensive players in the lanes…
He is #1 in total pressures, #2 in hurries, and 5th in qb hits…
So basically the oline broke him
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You're right diver, it doesn't matter what any of us think about HCMT...and yes, I would fire him too. The problem is we all know Deuce ain't gonna pull that trigger.
If everyone in the sports world is openly critical of one of MY hires, I would feel that is a reflection on me as the HC. I think we all agree HCMT needs to part ways...how we came about those feelings really doesn't matter, imo.
I sat on this last night thinking briefly about it. I think at the very least the O-line coach should be fired immediately. As that is a huge disconnect for this team. For what they have invested in that O-line they are severely underperforming.
Deuce and Khan need to step in and hire the next OC and leave Shades out of the process like Dan did when he hired Haley.
“Mike, you don’t get to hire your friends any more, we’ve hired Joe Blow to run the offense and you leave him the **** alone.”
Cowher hired some numbskulls too, Gilbride and Sherman, but Dan would fire people who sucked and not wait for their contracts to run out.
Seems to me that after last season firing Canaduh and moving Flores to DC would have been an easy decision, but noooo….
Bingo. 100%
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No, I just found it ironic (and amusing) that while you decided to take a hiatus from being a Steelers fan, you still believe that Mike Tomlin is an outstanding head coach. For reasons you refuse to explain. Whatever.