This is uncharted territory for me

[Sarge]

It's one thing to ***** about a player, coach or a game when your team is 6-3 or 7-2. It's something completely different to watch your team at 1-4 and seemingly regressing and it looks like there is no end to it. We come here and discuss changes that could be made to improve this or that, knowing none of it is ever going to happen. And we will all sit down either at the game or in front of our TV's, hoping for something different and likely ending up disappointed. I never wanted to know how Browns fans felt, but we're getting a taste of it.

 

[steelhurt]

Sure this is very difficult to watch and we just have to sit back and hope things get better.
The biggest thing for me is the Steelers front office must realize this current team is just not a good football team and the coaches and coordinators are just not good.
It’s a damn shame that we all reach the same conclusion that the HC is never on the hot seat and has become entirely too comfortable here. That’s on the owner who has excepted mediocrity for far too long but now it’s manifested into bottom tier of the league, that’s where we are.
Until Art excepts the fact that major changes are required to change the culture I’m afraid we’re just going to be aboard a rudderless ship spinning in circles.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Sure this is very difficult to watch and we just have to sit back and hope things get better.
The biggest thing for me is the Steelers front office must realize this current team is just not a good football team and the coaches and coordinators are just not good.
It’s a damn shame that we all reach the same conclusion that the HC is never on the hot seat and has become entirely too comfortable here. That’s on the owner who has excepted mediocrity for far too long but now it’s manifested into bottom tier of the league, that’s where we are.
Until Art excepts the fact that major changes are required to change the culture I’m afraid we’re just going to be aboard a rudderless ship spinning in circles.

At some point you have to hit the bottom to get back to the top. Endless drafts in the bottom half make it hard, not impossible, but hard to keep up. We have done better than most with low picks but we need to restock.

 

[bigben]

Ben spoiled us fans. We are 1 of the lucky few fanbases to have been competitive for many years and 2 superbowls despite a questionable front office and coaches.
I knew years ago as Ben got older and the Rooneys replaced his weapons with mediocre talent this mess was inevitable.

 

[Djfan]

At some point you have to hit the bottom to get back to the top. Endless drafts in the bottom half make it hard, not impossible, but hard to keep up. We have done better than most with low picks but we need to restock.

You really don't have to hit that rock bottom. One really can just be smart and move ahead without the Detroit Lions imitation.

 

[Confluence]

I blame Ben

 

[steelhurt]

At some point you have to hit the bottom to get back to the top. Endless drafts in the bottom half make it hard, not impossible, but hard to keep up. We have done better than most with low picks but we need to restock.

This HC has had a lot of talent including a top tier QB from 2011 through 2018 and we won nothing. Didn’t even sniff a SB.
I won’t include 2019 -2021 which included Ben’s injury year and his last two years of decline but 8 seasons of top talent and nothing. I’m ready for change from HC down to coordinators and position coaches.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

This HC has had a lot of talent including a top tier QB from 2011 through 2018 and we won nothing. Didn’t even sniff a SB.
I won’t include 2019 -2021 which included Ben’s injury year and his last two years of decline but 8 seasons of top talent and nothing. I’m ready for change from HC down to coordinators and position coaches.

I still believe our talent levels haven't been as high as Yinzers want to believe and that we have done more than we should with the talent we have had not less. How many guys have left and gone on to do better than they did here? Not many. Maybe we put too much stock in our talent and discount the idea that maybe just maybe Tomlin has been an over achiever not an under achiever. Maybe another coach wouldn't have had the chance to lose those playoff games as they wouldn't have been on the playoffs at all. We certainly were not supposed to make them the last couple of years based on the pundits. I do believe some coaches need to go and that Mike needs to put more trust in the ones he keeps to run things without his finger on the scale. I don't want want Tomlin fired, I like our legacy of not firing head coaches but I would be ok if he decided to retire soon. I would also be fine with him staying if he gets a better core of coaches. He made a good move with Flores so it is a hopeful start.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

You really don't have to hit that rock bottom. One really can just be smart and move ahead without the Detroit Lions imitation.

One season is not a lions imitation. It is the reality of life after a legend and the need to restock coaches and players who's deficiencies were masked by QB play and dare
I say coaching. We have been tight against the salary cap for years combined with low picks. We managed to stay competitive despite that. We will now have the benefit of some high picks and more caps space for a few years, although hopefully only one year of high picks. Lets see what happens. Tomlin has never really been in a position to rebuild only try and restock. Lets see how it goes. I feel he has earned the chance.

 

[ExUSAF]

I still believe our talent levels haven't been as high as Yinzers want to believe and that we have done more than we should with the talent we have had not less. How many guys have left and gone on to do better than they did here? Not many. Maybe we put too much stock in our talent and discount the idea that maybe just maybe Tomlin has been an over achiever not an under achiever. Maybe another coach wouldn't have had the chance to lose those playoff games as they wouldn't have been on the playoffs at all. We certainly were not supposed to make them the last couple of years based on the pundits. I do believe some coaches need to go and that Mike needs to put more trust in the ones he keeps to run things without his finger on the scale. I don't want want Tomlin fired, I like our legacy of not firing head coaches but I would be ok if he decided to retire soon. I would also be fine with him staying if he gets a better core of coaches. He made a good move with Flores so it is a hopeful start.

I don't get the idea on this board from some posters that Tomlin is a good coach, maybe even an over achiever. Some serious questions:
Assuming he has significant input on the draft:
1.. What players have been picked in the higher rounds that were much better than we expected?
2. How many of the players have been picked in the higher rounds were underachievers or outright busts?

From a coaching standpoint:
What player has Tomlin's coaching made better?
What players have been kept in the mix despite continued failure?
Despite the turnover in assistant coaches, why doesn't it ever seem to make a difference in the end result? When the defensive coordinator is fired and says Tomlin called the defense all along, what does that tell you about the influence the assistant coaches have?

 

[black and gold apex]

Ben being run out of town by Steelers and fans shows how wrong they were. The team was not very good last three years. WE have young team Tomlin will not hire coaches with the ability to make these sub players better. This Rooney has allowed Tomlin way more power than he should have. Rooney should have more say in coach hiring and draft players. Ronney had no problem in his input wanting a run game .Tomlin has the record but closer look he has made some under par decisions in drafts, free agents and especially coaches. We have as a fan base had a great run. Some of us remember the Melone, Stout, Bubby years but they as a team were competitive each week. Pressure on Tomlin he is the leader, this week will show a lot. Tomlin has sort of back tracked his change talk. Will Tomlin take away time on field for Johnson, Claypool, Harris, make them accountable to produce, as he has the gunner and other players we have seen thrown under his bus. WE all want a better showing let's hope Tomlin can get the message to this team.

 

[steelhurt]

I still believe our talent levels haven't been as high as Yinzers want to believe and that we have done more than we should with the talent we have had not less. How many guys have left and gone on to do better than they did here? Not many. Maybe we put too much stock in our talent and discount the idea that maybe just maybe Tomlin has been an over achiever not an under achiever. Maybe another coach wouldn't have had the chance to lose those playoff games as they wouldn't have been on the playoffs at all. We certainly were not supposed to make them the last couple of years based on the pundits. I do believe some coaches need to go and that Mike needs to put more trust in the ones he keeps to run things without his finger on the scale. I don't want want Tomlin fired, I like our legacy of not firing head coaches but I would be ok if he decided to retire soon. I would also be fine with him staying if he gets a better core of coaches. He made a good move with Flores so it is a hopeful start.

We had excellent talent Ben, AB, Martavis Bryant, Lev Bell, a damn good OL, Heath Miller, Emmanuel Sanders, Mike Wallace, pretty good defenses as well but Tomlin won nothing from 2011 to 2018.
Got into playoffs and got smoked the last couple years in the first round. Should have booted him after the home playoff loss to the Blake Bortles led Jaguars after 2018 season.

 

[Superman]

I'm of the mindset that its not the players. Look at our roster and see that we have a talented group.

the problem is the coaching staff is not putting any of them into a position to succeed.
we are, quite literally, Najee trying to run behind this OL.
we are, quite literally, any of our LBs trying to cover a #1 WR 20 yards downfield
we are, quite literally, a shanked punt seemingly every game

We've been through coordinators. time and time again. over and over. results stay the same. doing the same thing repeatedly and getting the same results. there's a definition for that.

 

[Steelr4evr]

I'm in the same charted territory I hit solid about 6 years ago. I was on the fence 2-3 years prior.


The most absurd thing is to have an employee in a place of job security that's untouchable regardless of outcome.

This team reached its apex many years ago and has steady declined from its former high status to the place it rests at today.


It's certainly at the point of a full rebuild not only along the lines on both sides, but in a culture that's been completely lost.

You're going to need a really strong coach/teacher and assistant coaches who can bring the very best development from their players

 

[Superman]

i'd even suggest that if we could turn back time and hire a William Laird Cowher in his prime to coach defense and special teams and a Mike Martz, they'd falter under Tomlin.

 

[Troglodyte]

At some point you have to hit the bottom to get back to the top. Endless drafts in the bottom half make it hard, not impossible, but hard to keep up. We have done better than most with low picks but we need to restock.

Nonsense. TJ Watt and Cam Heyward are not the cause of the current state of affairs, Devin Bush is. It has nothing to do with draft position.

 

[Drink IRON City]

At some point you have to hit the bottom to get back to the top. Endless drafts in the bottom half make it hard, not impossible, but hard to keep up. We have done better than most with low picks but we need to restock.

Weapons, if all we do is draft weapons we will not get back to the top.


Salute the nation

 

[Drink IRON City]

You really don't have to hit that rock bottom. One really can just be smart and move ahead without the Detroit Lions imitation.

This, it's ownership that realizes our culture will only change when to top down is changed. Sorry, Tomlin is wearing out his stay.


Salute the nation

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Weapons, if all we do is draft weapons we will not get back to the top.


Salute the nation

Lets see how Omar reacts this year. I would lay good money on seeing us address some things heavily we haven't in awhile. Via draft or free agency or both.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Lets see how Omar reacts this year. I would lay good money on seeing us address some things heavily we haven't in awhile. Via draft or free agency or both.

Their backs are against a wall, dang right they are going to address things un-addressed by you guessed it....... Mike Tomlin.

O'Canada will be fired, you guessed it.......................... by others than Mike Tomlin.


Salute the nation

 

[steelcan58]

You really don't have to hit that rock bottom. One really can just be smart and move ahead without the Detroit Lions imitation.

If you have a competent coaching staff you don't have to hit rock bottom. We have anything but that. And we have an ownership that refuses to see this and therefore won't make the necessary changes.

My biggest fear is we're going to need a couple (or more) really bad seasons to make meaningful changes. I'm pretty much resigned to that.

 

[steelcan58]

Saying Tomlin is an overachiever is more than laughable. Not many coaches have done less than he has with the talent he's had the last decade. Year after year!

 

[Djfan]

Lets see how Omar reacts this year. I would lay good money on seeing us address some things heavily we haven't in awhile. Via draft or free agency or both.

We were extremely active in the FA market. Very unlike us. What did all that do? Anyone want to research the results of these guys?

I won't.

 

[Steel G]

I'd be fine with a losing season if I had faith in who was steering the ship. But this coach and his staff have been below the line for 10 years now. It's a mess and it's only going to get worse.

 

[BLITZ]

We were extremely active in the FA market. Very unlike us. What did all that do? Anyone want to research the results of these guys?

I won't.

We hit on Myles Jack and probs daniels