This team is travesty

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I don’t think it’s about what Ben wants to do, but rather what he can do.

Are you saying his arm is shot? I don’t see that. He’s not throwing flutter balls like Peyton Manning’s last year.

Every QB has favorite plays and plays they don’t like. Ben hasn’t had a problem throwing over the middle until recently. Even if his arm is shot, throws over the middle are generally the easiest for a weak armed QB. That’s part of why so many college spread offense feature so many short throws over the middle, because you don’t need the rocket armed 5 star QB to make those plays.

I don’t see any physical or mental reason why Ben can’t throw in the middle of the field.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Are you saying his arm is shot? I don’t see that. He’s not throwing flutter balls like Peyton Manning’s last year.

Every QB has favorite plays and plays they don’t like. Ben hasn’t had a problem throwing over the middle until recently. Even if his arm is shot, throws over the middle are generally the easiest for a weak armed QB. That’s part of why so many college spread offense feature so many short throws over the middle, because you don’t need the rocket armed 5 star QB to make those plays.

I don’t see any physical or mental reason why Ben can’t throw in the middle of the field.

No, his legs are shot and his mental game is shot. He doesn't want to get hit. Even when he has time to throw, he is grading out as a below average quarterback. Watch any game and you see QBs make plays moving around the pocket.

 

[steelreeling]

I still have no idea how we did what we did to the Bills unless Aluala is that important to the D.

i've been just pounding the table - TA is just that important to our defense. The NT is the absolute key to our scheme. without a good one, we are toast.

 

[topseed]

Meh, my opinion and I'll stick with it, although Mahomes would be moving around better than Ben, the line would still be the worst in the league. As far as calling the statement asinine, I put little credence in statements made by people I don't know, if it was meant to insult, it fell flat.

Yeah, the offensive line sucks. We all know that. Too bad the Steelers weren't smart enough to draft Humphrey like the Chiefs did.

But you said Mahomes, given the Steelers' line, would be interchangeable with Ben. I mean, no, I'm not trying to insult you, but these two players are clearly light years apart at this stage of their careers.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but how's ludicrous sound? Like that one better? How about laughable? Farcical, maybe?

 

[TDX27]

i've been just pounding the table - TA is just that important to our defense. The NT is the absolute key to our scheme. without a good one, we are toast.

****, I've been saying that since Big Snack retired. All the pundits say the NFL has gone away from a true NT and it's not needed. I say bullshit. I still think a big guy in the middle that can command double teams and especially collapse the pocket is very important. It lets the other lineman and OLB's do their thing. And, runners always have to go around him.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

^spot on TDX27

If you want to keep athletic LBs clean to make plays in a 3-4 the immovable NT in the middle to set the table is essential.

 

[steelreeling]

****, I've been saying that since Big Snack retired. All the pundits say the NFL has gone away from a true NT and it's not needed. I say bullshit. I still think a big guy in the middle that can command double teams and especially collapse the pocket is very important. It lets the other lineman and OLB's do their thing. And, runners always have to go around him.

Exactly.

 

[mightyguru]

Toenail clippers for seniors is all I see.

 

[stuntmanmike]

its scheming... scheming... scheming.... the NFL continues to evolve and we stay in the Jurassic era. I've said a thousand times we can live with Tomlin but to do so we need a state of the art coaching staff. we don't have that! haven't since he took over! we get weird offensive coordinators no else would hire if you payed them... Canada created a little buzz because of his presnap movement. well zooowhoopiefukndooo!!!! anyone stop to think if his offensives moved the ball like a well oiled machine?? Fun no! he is in so over his head it painful to watch. coordinators think we get bonus points for designing the most Fukd up play that no players can execute. this offense has no nastiness, no smashmouth, no traps, no sweeps... the sweep was invented in Pittsburgh!!! anyone remember jock sutherland!!!! tuff bareknuckled football is who we are!!! there should be a law no steeler team can take the field without a 250 running back that gets touches. 2 fullbacks in hall of fame and we haven't had one since we won our last Super Bowl with Bettis. that should fukn tell you something! spread them out and hit em in the nuts with a fullback! done!

 

[JMM]

its scheming... scheming... scheming.... the NFL continues to evolve and we stay in the Jurassic era. I've said a thousand times we can live with Tomlin but to do so we need a state of the art coaching staff. we don't have that! haven't since he took over! we get weird offensive coordinators no else would hire if you payed them... Canada created a little buzz because of his presnap movement. well zooowhoopiefukndooo!!!! anyone stop to think if his offensives moved the ball like a well oiled machine?? Fun no! he is in so over his head it painful to watch. coordinators think we get bonus points for designing the most Fukd up play that no players can execute. this offense has no nastiness, no smashmouth, no traps, no sweeps... the sweep was invented in Pittsburgh!!! anyone remember jock sutherland!!!! tuff bareknuckled football is who we are!!! there should be a law no steeler team can take the field without a 250 running back that gets touches. 2 fullbacks in hall of fame and we haven't had one since we won our last Super Bowl with Bettis. that should fukn tell you something! spread them out and hit em in the nuts with a fullback! done!

"Canada would always beat the hell out of me when we got together to play Madden Football. That's why I hired him. I could tell right off he was a genius... I don't understand why it is not translating to the field..."
--HCMT

 

[MTC]

its scheming... scheming... scheming.... the NFL continues to evolve and we stay in the Jurassic era. I've said a thousand times we can live with Tomlin but to do so we need a state of the art coaching staff. we don't have that! haven't since he took over! we get weird offensive coordinators no else would hire if you payed them... Canada created a little buzz because of his presnap movement. well zooowhoopiefukndooo!!!! anyone stop to think if his offensives moved the ball like a well oiled machine?? Fun no! he is in so over his head it painful to watch. coordinators think we get bonus points for designing the most Fukd up play that no players can execute. this offense has no nastiness, no smashmouth, no traps, no sweeps... the sweep was invented in Pittsburgh!!! anyone remember jock sutherland!!!! tuff bareknuckled football is who we are!!! there should be a law no steeler team can take the field without a 250 running back that gets touches. 2 fullbacks in hall of fame and we haven't had one since we won our last Super Bowl with Bettis. that should fukn tell you something! spread them out and hit em in the nuts with a fullback! done!

^^^^
Winner winner chicken dinner

 

[MTC]

Only thing is we won our last super bowl without Bettis, but I get where yinz coming from

 

[SojournerSteel]

its scheming... scheming... scheming.... the NFL continues to evolve and we stay in the Jurassic era. I've said a thousand times we can live with Tomlin but to do so we need a state of the art coaching staff. we don't have that! haven't since he took over! we get weird offensive coordinators no else would hire if you payed them... Canada created a little buzz because of his presnap movement. well zooowhoopiefukndooo!!!! anyone stop to think if his offensives moved the ball like a well oiled machine?? Fun no! he is in so over his head it painful to watch. coordinators think we get bonus points for designing the most Fukd up play that no players can execute. this offense has no nastiness, no smashmouth, no traps, no sweeps... the sweep was invented in Pittsburgh!!! anyone remember jock sutherland!!!! tuff bareknuckled football is who we are!!! there should be a law no steeler team can take the field without a 250 running back that gets touches. 2 fullbacks in hall of fame and we haven't had one since we won our last Super Bowl with Bettis. that should fukn tell you something! spread them out and hit em in the nuts with a fullback! done!

Definitely a reason Tomlin has no coaching tree. Canada is the latest abortion.

 

[steelreeling]

"Canada would always beat the hell out of me when we got together to play Madden Football. That's why I hired him. I could tell right off he was a genius... I don't understand why it is not translating to the field..."
--HCMT

The thing is, these OL cannot win 1-on-1 ... at all it seems.

I went back and re-watched all the offense from the last 2 games. I got convinced that 1. Ben is a problem. Ben HAS open TEs in the middle <for all of about 4 yards downfield!?> but refuses to throw to them. Call him Check-Down Charlie this year i guess. And 2. the worst part is: Ben isn't the biggest problem. Canada is just KILLING this team. The mish-mash, ****** up flood routes, do anything and everything from any formation plays that are being called are just in...sane. They're insane.

You just cannot call 3 levels of crossing routes all to the short side of the hashes on 3/4 and 12. It's too fricken easy for the D to defend. You can't call a long inside-out X fade with a TE flat and RB screen. It's just a fricken crazy mess of a call. None of it makes any sense.

Moreover, the lineman are asked to do everything they are bad at. And asked to do ONLY what they individually are bad at.

If it's a hand-off running play - Moore & Dot are asked to run out and seal LBers and DTs on an inside-zone scheme. They suck. Najee gets killed after 1 yard. If it's a dive/ delay running play - Green and Turner are asked to drive 1 and 3 techniques backwards. They suck and of course, Najee gets killed. If it's a pass, Dot & Green are asked to 1-on-1 handle a 5 or 3 technique bull rush. They su_ _ - well, you get the idea.

The only way to fix this **** is to take the whistle away from Canada.

Give it to Mike Sullivan. Tell Mike to bench Dot & Green - they are the weakest links with Chuks gone. Then put in Finney & JC respectively. At this point you start calling the outside zone running scheme while convincing the lineman that they don't have to win - they just have to wash their guy out or into the lane next to them. Najee just needs maybe 8 inches of daylight - he's that special of a running back.

I think if the Steelers bench Dot & Green, replacing them will relieve the pressure up the middle that is ******* with Ben's head right now. It'll also become apparent that the Steelers are no longer an up-the-middle running team. But that might be a blessing rather than a curse.