Timeline of Trump/Russia corruption, cyber-espionage, obstruction and treason

[Tibs]

Much more filling than politics....

Yeah, if this wasn't the political forum I'd think for a minute we're out of line talking politics around here.

 

[hamster]

Elfie's look at me meltdowns are pretty predictable huh?

 

[Supersteeler]

I never started thinking about Russia in the first place, so there wasn't anything to forget. It was background noise from hysterical people that never leaned to live with disappointment. It's a desperate Hail Mary pass. Not even a blip on the radar.

 

[DBS1970]

What gives you that impression? Ah, never mind, let's get back to BBQ-ing.

The fact that the only wrong doing they have found so far was the illegal unmasking done by the Obama regime.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

I'm not the beer expert that many of you appear to be, but I'm looking forward to Sam's Octoberfest.
May be my favorite brew. Pumpkins, no so much. Although the pie with chocolate ice cream is tasty.

 

[hamster]

The fact that the only wrong doing they have found so far was the illegal unmasking done by the Obama regime.

As well as all of the leaks of classified material .

Achooooo!!!

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[Steelr4evr]

The fact that the only wrong doing they have found so far was the illegal unmasking done by the Obama regime.

Yes but that would not help the battle plan to wreck and deligitimize it from the start. Just a big fat lie. Just like this whole racist bs based on enforcing our borders.

 

[Tibs]

I never started thinking about Russia in the first place, so there wasn't anything to forget. It was background noise from hysterical people that never leaned to live with disappointment. It's a desperate Hail Mary pass. Not even a blip on the radar.

The fact that the only wrong doing they have found so far was the illegal unmasking done by the Obama regime.

As well as all of the leaks of classified material.

Yes but that would not help the battle plan to wreck and deligitimize it from the start. Just a big fat lie. Just like this whole racist bs based on enforcing our borders.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

You forgetting about the part in the book about Hildebeast's campaign that they made up the Russia story the day after the election?

 

[Steelr4evr]

You forgetting about the part in the book about Hildebeast's campaign that they made up the Russia story the day after the election?

He knows that. He can't be that damn dumb and gullible. Too much time in a foreign country has him waaaaaay out of touch with reality.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You forgetting about the part in the book about Hildebeast's campaign that they made up the Russia story the day after the election?

Actually, the story was, per the Hillary staffer that wrote the book: It happened the night of the election, back stage at the Javitz Center in New York (was there in January myself). John Podesta literally hatched the Russia plan in the back rooms and Hillary agreed to run with it. They took it to the press the next day. This was witnessed by and written by one of Hillary's own.

This has been presented more than a dozen times to Tibs et al on this board.

Not.... one.... response...ever....to these reports by one of Hillary's own.

But our heads are in the sand? LMAO.

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[Tibs]

Yes, that is why Robert Mueller is using not one but two grand juries in his Special Prosecutor investigation, because this is 'a made-up story hatched in a back room by Podesta'. That really passes the smell test, at least it does for you guys.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Yes, that is why Robert Mueller is using not one but two grand juries in his Special Prosecutor investigation, because this is 'a made-up story hatched in a back room by Podesta'. That really passes the smell test, at least it does for you guys.

Entirely predictable since Mueller is part of the permanent shadow government. He knows there's nothing to the Russia story but he's hoping to find something else to hang on Trump or his people.
This will end much like the Enron investigation, where the Democrats were bound and determined to pin it on the hated Boosh. Boosh was from Texas, Enron was from Texas, so dammit we know he had something to do with it and we'll ******* dig and dig and dig until we find it!!! Well, they did dig and dig and when they got to the bottom they found Tom Daschle, Robert Rubin, Ron Brown, and bunch of other Democrats. Then the Enron investigation quietly went away.
It's never a waste of time and taxpayer money when the Democrats want it though.

 

[Tibs]

You guys have ignored the tea leaves from the very beginning. For what reason, I do not know. All the signs were there. Maybe the fact your man Trump made it to the WH clouded your sense of reality, shut down your ability for critical thinking and kept you from seeing facts for what they were. In the end, I wonder what you will be saying when the truth in this case bears out? It will be a difficult and embarrassing point in your lives, no doubt, as you've put all your chips on the table and have consistently dismissed this scenario. As I've said many times before I will not be here to gloat or to dance on your virtual graves. There will be nothing to celebrate in this dark moment of US history.

Mueller haunts the West Wing
https://www.axios.com/mueller-haunts-the-west-wing-2484317509.html

Steve Bannon provoked lots of chatter for telling Charlie Rose on "60 Minutes" that President Trump's firing of FBI Director James Comey may have been the worst mistake in "modern political history."

What's intriguing is the reason he said it: the belief of some close White House allies that special counsel Bob Mueller, whose appointment was triggered by Comey's ouster, could use events surrounding the firing to make an obstruction of justice case against Trump.

There's a good reason that Vice President Pence has hired a lawyer, Bannon freaked out about the decision, and Mueller plans to interview a slew of current and former West Wing aides: They were with Trump during those frantic days, and know what he was saying and what was on his mind.

White House aides with legal exposure to these events have quickly reached four conclusions, according to conversations with Jonathan Swan and me:

- Mueller is burrowing in hard on the obstruction of justice angle.
- The "angry, meandering" draft White House justification for firing Comey — which was never released, but obtained by Mueller — could be used as evidence of Trump's unvarnished thinking when venting to staff.
- Legal fees, with white-collar attorneys charging $1,000 an hour, get cripplingly expensive pretty quick. Watch for outside legal defense funds to pop up quickly.
- The investigation's financial dimensions are worrisome. The focus on Michael Cohen, a Trump lawyer and confidant whose business dealings are intertwined with the president's, has been particularly troubling for those in Trump's close orbit. Cohen dealt with some colorful characters. And when plans for the Trump Tower in Moscow are fully picked apart, other questionable Russian characters may be drawn in.

Republicans close to the White House say every sign by Mueller — from his hiring of Mafia and money-laundering experts to his aggressive pursuit of witnesses and evidence — is that he's going for the kill.

The Wall Street Journal reports on the front page today that outside Trump lawyers "earlier this summer concluded that Jared Kushner should step down ... because of possible legal complications ... and aired concerns about him to the president." Kushner has since defended himself on Capitol Hill.

Be smart: Trump allies fret that the White House is ill-prepared for the public showdown with Mueller that will eventually come, and should be making legal, political and constitutional arguments for the president's right to fire Comey. Statements by Trump lawyers tend to rattle, rather than reassure, White House allies.

Trump associates tell me Trump mused about firing Mueller. But now, one associate said, the damage would be as horrendous as "firing the Pope."

P.S. Russian politician Vyacheslav Nikonov, a member of the Duma (ruling assembly), said on live TV that U.S. "intelligence missed it when Russian intelligence stole the president of the United States."

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

You guys have ignored the tea leaves from the very beginning. For what reason, I do not know. All the signs were there.

We read tea leaves all the time. We've read tea leaves for decades. Frustrated that when all the signs are there, nothing comes of it. Why should this be any different? We have tea leaf reading experience on just a few situations over the decades:

1. Monica Lewinsky: Led to only the second president in American history to be impeached.
2. Benghazi: Four Americans killed, an entire system of weak diplomatic security uncloaked, and the credibility of a president and his secretary of state damaged.
3. Asia fundraising scandal: More than four dozen convicted in a scandal that made the Lincoln bedroom, White House donor coffees and Buddhist monks infamous.
4. Hillary’s private emails: Hundreds of national secrets already leaked through private email and the specter of a criminal probe looming large.
5. Whitewater: A large S&L failed and several people went to prison.
6. Travelgate: The firing of the career travel office was the very first crony capitalism scandal of the Clinton era.
7. Humagate: An aide’s sweetheart job arrangement.
8. Pardongate: The first time donations were ever connected as possible motives for presidential pardons.
9. Foundation favors: Revealing evidence that the Clinton Foundation was a pay-to-play back door to the State Department, and an open checkbook for foreigners to curry favor.
10. Mysterious files: The disappearance and re-discovery of Hillary’s Rose Law Firm records.
11. Filegate: The Clinton use of FBI files to dig for dirt on their enemies.
12. Hubble trouble: The resignation and imprisonment of Hillary law partner Web Hubbell.
13. The Waco tragedy: One of the most lethal exercises of police power in American history.
14. The Clinton’s Swedish slush fund: $26 million collected overseas with little accountability and lots of questions about whether contributors got a pass on Iran sanctions.
15. Troopergate: From the good old days, did Arkansas state troopers facilitate Bill Clinton’s philandering?
16. Gennifer Flowers: The tale that catapulted a supermarket tabloid into the big time.
17. Bill’s Golden Tongue: His and her speech fees shocked the American public.
18. Boeing Bucks: Boeing contributed big-time to Bill; Hillary helped the company obtain a profitable Russian contract.
19. Larry Lawrence: How did a fat cat donor get buried in Arlington National Cemetery without war experience?
20. The cattle futures: Hillary as commodity trader extraordinaire.
21. Chinagate: Nuclear secrets go to China on her husband’s watch.
22. Operation Fast and Furious. The Obama Justice Department lost track of thousands of guns it had allowed to pass into the hands of suspected smugglers, in the hope of tracing them to Mexican drug cartels. One of the guns was used in the fatal 2010 shooting of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Congress held then-Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt when he refused to turn over documents about the operation.
23. IRS abuses. Mr. Obama’s Internal Revenue Service did something Richard Nixon only dreamed of doing: It successfully targeted political opponents. The Justice Department then refused to enforce Congress’s contempt citation against the IRS’s Lois Lerner, who refused to answer questions about her agency’s misconduct.
24. Hacking. Mr. Obama presided over the biggest data breach in the federal government’s history, at the Office of Personnel Management. The hack exposed the personnel files of millions of federal employees and may end up being used for everything from identity theft to blackmail and espionage. OPM Director Katherine Archuleta, the president’s former political director, had been warned repeatedly about security deficiencies but took no steps to fix them.
25. Veterans Affairs. At least 40 U.S. veterans died waiting for appointments at a Phoenix VA facility, many of whom had been on a secret waiting list—part of an effort to conceal that between 1,400 and 1,600 veterans were forced to wait months for appointments. A 2014 internal VA audit found “57,436 newly enrolled veterans facing a minimum 90-day wait for medical care; 63,869 veterans who enrolled over the past decade requesting an appointment that never happened.” Even Mr. Obama admitted, in a November 2016 press conference, that “it was scandalous what happened”—though minutes earlier he boasted that “we will—knock on wood—leave this administration without significant scandal.”
26. GSA Spending Spree: In 2012, Martha N. Johnson, the administrator of the General Services Administration, resigned after the federal procurement agency was engulfed in a controversy. The department was accused of allowing excessive spending on travel and conferences for the agency and employees. Johnson admitted in her resignation letter that “taxpayer dollars were squandered.” Some of the spending included a Las Vegas trip where employees had a $31,000 reception that included a clown mind reader.
27. Solyndra Subsidies: The Energy Department provided a $535 million loan guarantee to the politically connected solar panel firm Solyndra as part of the 2009 stimulus bill. Not long after building its factory, the California firm filed for bankruptcy protection and an FBI investigation ensued. The company did not find a buyer and eventually closed down. Subsequent other subsidized green energy companies also collapsed.
28. DOJ and the New Black Panther Party: On Election Day 2008, hours before Obama was first elected, two members of the New Black Panther Party stood outside the door of a polling place in Philadelphia in paramilitary outfits. One of the men was carrying a nightstick. The two men were caught on video seemingly intimidating voters. While George W. Bush was still president, the Justice Department filed a lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party, which the liberal Southern Poverty Law Center classifies as a hate group. However, by May of 2009, the Obama administration’s Department of Justice and Holder, then-attorney general, dropped the case.
29. A Job for Sestak: In 2010, Rep. Joe Sestak, who was challenging Sen. Arlen Specter in a Pennsylvania Democratic Senate primary, said that the Obama administration had offered him a job to dissuade him from entering the race. Obama had endorsed Specter, who had recently switched allegiance from the Republican to the Democrat Party during the early months of Obama’s presidency. The White House did not answer questions on the matter for several months. Issa, then-ranking member of the House oversight panel, suggested such an offer could be illegal. Specter also pressed Sestak to answer more questions about the alleged offer. After Sestak defeated Specter for the nomination, White House counsel Robert Bauer released a memo asserting that nothing improper occurred and that Obama’s offer was to serve on an unpaid presidential advisory board that would allow him to continue to serve in the House.
30. Loretta Lynch - Bill Clinton Scandal: The former AG met privately with Bill Clinton in what is reputed to have been a discussion involving planning to mitigate damage done by Hillary's email server scandal.

 

[Tibs]

Nice, Tim takes the time to list thirty things that have absolutely nothing to do with Trump, Russia or this case. The standard is the standard, I guess, obfuscation is the name of the game for Tim.

 

[Troglodyte]

We read tea leaves all the time. We've read tea leaves for decades. Frustrated that when all the signs are there, nothing comes of it. Why should this be any different? We have tea leaf reading experience on just a few situations over the decades:

1. Monica Lewinsky: Led to only the second president in American history to be impeached.
2. Benghazi: Four Americans killed, an entire system of weak diplomatic security uncloaked, and the credibility of a president and his secretary of state damaged.
3. Asia fundraising scandal: More than four dozen convicted in a scandal that made the Lincoln bedroom, White House donor coffees and Buddhist monks infamous.
4. Hillary’s private emails: Hundreds of national secrets already leaked through private email and the specter of a criminal probe looming large.
5. Whitewater: A large S&L failed and several people went to prison.
6. Travelgate: The firing of the career travel office was the very first crony capitalism scandal of the Clinton era.
7. Humagate: An aide’s sweetheart job arrangement.
8. Pardongate: The first time donations were ever connected as possible motives for presidential pardons.
9. Foundation favors: Revealing evidence that the Clinton Foundation was a pay-to-play back door to the State Department, and an open checkbook for foreigners to curry favor.
10. Mysterious files: The disappearance and re-discovery of Hillary’s Rose Law Firm records.
11. Filegate: The Clinton use of FBI files to dig for dirt on their enemies.
12. Hubble trouble: The resignation and imprisonment of Hillary law partner Web Hubbell.
13. The Waco tragedy: One of the most lethal exercises of police power in American history.
14. The Clinton’s Swedish slush fund: $26 million collected overseas with little accountability and lots of questions about whether contributors got a pass on Iran sanctions.
15. Troopergate: From the good old days, did Arkansas state troopers facilitate Bill Clinton’s philandering?
16. Gennifer Flowers: The tale that catapulted a supermarket tabloid into the big time.
17. Bill’s Golden Tongue: His and her speech fees shocked the American public.
18. Boeing Bucks: Boeing contributed big-time to Bill; Hillary helped the company obtain a profitable Russian contract.
19. Larry Lawrence: How did a fat cat donor get buried in Arlington National Cemetery without war experience?
20. The cattle futures: Hillary as commodity trader extraordinaire.
21. Chinagate: Nuclear secrets go to China on her husband’s watch.
22. Operation Fast and Furious. The Obama Justice Department lost track of thousands of guns it had allowed to pass into the hands of suspected smugglers, in the hope of tracing them to Mexican drug cartels. One of the guns was used in the fatal 2010 shooting of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Congress held then-Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt when he refused to turn over documents about the operation.
23. IRS abuses. Mr. Obama’s Internal Revenue Service did something Richard Nixon only dreamed of doing: It successfully targeted political opponents. The Justice Department then refused to enforce Congress’s contempt citation against the IRS’s Lois Lerner, who refused to answer questions about her agency’s misconduct.
24. Hacking. Mr. Obama presided over the biggest data breach in the federal government’s history, at the Office of Personnel Management. The hack exposed the personnel files of millions of federal employees and may end up being used for everything from identity theft to blackmail and espionage. OPM Director Katherine Archuleta, the president’s former political director, had been warned repeatedly about security deficiencies but took no steps to fix them.
25. Veterans Affairs. At least 40 U.S. veterans died waiting for appointments at a Phoenix VA facility, many of whom had been on a secret waiting list—part of an effort to conceal that between 1,400 and 1,600 veterans were forced to wait months for appointments. A 2014 internal VA audit found “57,436 newly enrolled veterans facing a minimum 90-day wait for medical care; 63,869 veterans who enrolled over the past decade requesting an appointment that never happened.” Even Mr. Obama admitted, in a November 2016 press conference, that “it was scandalous what happened”—though minutes earlier he boasted that “we will—knock on wood—leave this administration without significant scandal.”
26. GSA Spending Spree: In 2012, Martha N. Johnson, the administrator of the General Services Administration, resigned after the federal procurement agency was engulfed in a controversy. The department was accused of allowing excessive spending on travel and conferences for the agency and employees. Johnson admitted in her resignation letter that “taxpayer dollars were squandered.” Some of the spending included a Las Vegas trip where employees had a $31,000 reception that included a clown mind reader.
27. Solyndra Subsidies: The Energy Department provided a $535 million loan guarantee to the politically connected solar panel firm Solyndra as part of the 2009 stimulus bill. Not long after building its factory, the California firm filed for bankruptcy protection and an FBI investigation ensued. The company did not find a buyer and eventually closed down. Subsequent other subsidized green energy companies also collapsed.
28. DOJ and the New Black Panther Party: On Election Day 2008, hours before Obama was first elected, two members of the New Black Panther Party stood outside the door of a polling place in Philadelphia in paramilitary outfits. One of the men was carrying a nightstick. The two men were caught on video seemingly intimidating voters. While George W. Bush was still president, the Justice Department filed a lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party, which the liberal Southern Poverty Law Center classifies as a hate group. However, by May of 2009, the Obama administration’s Department of Justice and Holder, then-attorney general, dropped the case.
29. A Job for Sestak: In 2010, Rep. Joe Sestak, who was challenging Sen. Arlen Specter in a Pennsylvania Democratic Senate primary, said that the Obama administration had offered him a job to dissuade him from entering the race. Obama had endorsed Specter, who had recently switched allegiance from the Republican to the Democrat Party during the early months of Obama’s presidency. The White House did not answer questions on the matter for several months. Issa, then-ranking member of the House oversight panel, suggested such an offer could be illegal. Specter also pressed Sestak to answer more questions about the alleged offer. After Sestak defeated Specter for the nomination, White House counsel Robert Bauer released a memo asserting that nothing improper occurred and that Obama’s offer was to serve on an unpaid presidential advisory board that would allow him to continue to serve in the House.
30. Loretta Lynch - Bill Clinton Scandal: The former AG met privately with Bill Clinton in what is reputed to have been a discussion involving planning to mitigate damage done by Hillary's email server scandal.

31. Comet Pizza

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Nice, Tim takes the time to list thirty things that have absolutely nothing to do with Trump, Russia or this case. The standard is the standard, I guess, obfuscation is the name of the game for Tim.

It's good for Democrats, but not for Republicans.

Got it.

The Double Standard and Selective Outrage marches on.

 

[Spike]

The real question is.... when Hillary going to JAIL?

A House panel grilled FBI Director James Comey after he recommended against prosecuting former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for an email server scandal. In the hearing, South Carolina Rep. Trey Gowdy questioned Comey on the definition of intent and how Clinton could possibly evade punishment...."

 

[OhioSteel]

Our cat just puked on the Oriental rug. Dog ate it so all's well. Carry on

Elfie puked up this thread....Tibs eating it up. Carry On.

 

[Tibs]

Elfie puked up this thread....Tibs eating it up. Carry On.

How so? Why are you so allergic to discussing this matter? Maybe SN should shut down this Politics board, nobody seems to want to face the truth and discuss the issues. It is painful, I understand that.

 

[Sarge]

Do you know what the difference between corrupt Republicans and corrupt Democrats is? Nothing. Nothing at all. If you are against corruption for one, you should be against it for the other. Unfortunately, we have too many people in government, as well as the idiots that vote for them that are all too willing to look the other way when it is their "side" that is corrupt. And we wonder why we are where we are.

 

[Tibs]

Do you know what the difference between corrupt Republicans and corrupt Democrats is? Nothing. Nothing at all. If you are against corruption for one, you should be against it for the other. Unfortunately, we have too many people in government, as well as the idiots that vote for them that are all too willing to look the other way when it is their "side" that is corrupt. And we wonder why we are where we are.

Sure thing, next time we have a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic majority in the House and Senate I'll make sure to keep my eye on that.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

If you are against corruption for one, you should be against it for the other. .

Selective outrage.

We know who's desperately guilty of this sin. His initials are Tibs.

 

[Tibs]

Selective outrage. We know who's desperately guilty of this sin. His initials are Tibs.

Says the guy who can't find a single fault in Trump, not even with a magnifying glass. Defends him to the moon and back. Refuses to admit even a single shortcoming Trump may have. Literally worships the ground he walks on. Yet spends the better part of nine months constantly slinging **** against the Dems, Hillary, Obama et al and all the bad **** they've done as a form of wishing away the criticism levied against Trump. LOL, you write the book on 'selective outrage'.