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Today in mass shootings

bmoritz said:
That's a great idea, because we all know that somebody who would shoot multiple people would NEVER break the law and steal the ammo, right? Good Lord, liberals are stupid!
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I was making a joke .... Relax
 
Tibs said:
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Why don't you overlay the enactment of gun control legislation with this graphic, Tibs. That would provide visual evidence as to the efficacy of such legislation in preventing mass murder, no?

(Pssst. You would see that as gun control legislation has increased over the past 20 years, per your own graph, mass murders have also increased. You see what that means, right?)
 
Troglodyte said:
There are rural counties where gun ownership per capita is very high and gun related crimes are none. How do you explain that phenomenon?
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My 9mm is sitting on the foyer table as I type this. It hasn't shot anyone so far today.
 
Steelerlyn said:
I'll say it again- I went into a store the other day that allowed the customers to carry guns. (KS is now a state where everyone can carry). Lo and behold, nobody got shot and nobody had guns slung over his shoulder screaming about killing people. It was no different than a store that didn't allow weapons.
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I went to the beach and dipped a big glass measuring cup in the ocean. All I got was salty water, that proves there is no life in earth's oceans...............
 
Mass shootings continue to rise.

Mass prescriptions of anti-depressants continue to rise.

Nearly 100% of mass shooters were on some form of anti-depressants.

But damn those evil guns.
 
Tibs said:
Thanks DBS1970 and oneforthebus for your detailed and well-worded responses. So you both think everything that can be done is already being done to stop the recurring mass shootings around the country. Duly noted.
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Wait..wait, I got one more idea Tibs

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This morning Nazi Hillary said that she would outlaw gun shows and allow shooting victims to sue gun manufacturers. She has zero common sense. If you get hit by a car you sue the driver, not Ford.
 
Elfiero said:
I went to the beach and dipped a big glass measuring cup in the ocean. All I got was salty water, that proves there is no life in earth's oceans...............
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I figured the ocean would be at your door by now.......

IndySteel said:
This morning Nazi Hillary said that she would outlaw gun shows and allow shooting victims to sue gun manufacturers. She has zero common sense. If you get hit by a car you sue the driver, not Ford.
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Just don't sue the government!
 
RollRed said:
I was making a joke .... Relax
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RollRed said:
Good one. Funny Republicans have no problem supporting legislation that restricts healthcare to women. They also have no problem with legislation that affects people's access to voting booths through their ridiculous voter identification laws designed to stop a problem that doesn't even really exist. But when someone suggest we should restrict people's access to devices that make going on mass killing sprees much easier, they claim that the people's rights are being infringed upon. Gotta love'em...
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That one a"joke" too?
 
Rod Farva said:
Just don't sue the government!
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Here is an idea. 1.) have the government take over the gun manufacturers 2.) the government will manufacture guns that have a chip imbedded in the grip 3) those on the approved list will have a chip imbedded in their palm that matches up to their approved gun 4) the government can deactivate, wirelessly, an approved chip once the person becomes unapproved. 5) to be on the safe side, all citizens should get the chip embedded in their palm so that contact with unapproved weapons would be automatically reported.. Undocumented Citizens and those employed by the government are exempt. Former military would, automatically, be on the unapproved list.

PROBLEM. *******. SOLVED!!!
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/?postshare=6261443917104644
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I just love when a Liberal (::cough::cough:: Tibs) uses "Facts" to try to win an argument that are baseless. It always makes me wonder...does he/she believe the fallacy to be true? I mean, really really believe what they say? Or they just regurgitate what they read from Salon and HuffPo and "hope" that it's true?

Either way, well played SIL, well played.
 
As a culture, Americans have an odd relationship with firearms.

It's roots are not in the Constitution (which is much different on this issue than anywhere else in the world) but in our free spirit and wild west culture. No other country expanding into the west like we did. No culture plays "cowboys and indians" like we did as children. No culture quite glorifies gun ownership and the associated "freedom" that entails.

In many respects our love of guns is similar to our love of cars, sports and variety of other "american" things. Gun ownership, by many people's definition, is being "American".

These are some of the reasons we have 3 times the gun ownership per capita that any equivalent world country. And this is LEGAL, REGISTERED, gun ownership. Who the hell knows how many illegal or non-registered guns exist in circulation exactly.

For all the complaints about recent gun legislation (and it isn't all that restrictive really), legal gun ownership, per capita, is staying the same or increasing.

Gun violence is just a correlation to guns in circulation. No more, no less.

But gun ownership and guns in circulation is a very "American" thing that is culturally ingrained in our self-esteem as a country.

I'm not sure there is a solution to this dichotomy. It's not as easy as more gun restrictions. That's not a viable solution. And the constitution clearly does not allow gun confiscation or a mandatory reduction in legal gun ownership (or some mandated government law that attempts to reduce the total overall guns in circulation).

If our country wants to maintain almost ONE LEGAL GUN per adult citizen as a ratio of guns in circulation (and we all know it's more than that if we count illegal and unregistered firearms), then gun violence like we're experiencing (in all it's forms, including mass shootings) will continue.

It's as simple as that. There is nothing we can do, both from the right or left of the aisle, to change it.
 
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If we really want to the root cause, as I've said, let's go after the pharma companies. There's lots of "rebuttals" from the Left that these drugs aren't the cause of the shootings, but they are laughable (if you choose to read them). Sane people don't take guns and kill 15 people then themselves. Why are they not sane?

I've cut & paste important points. Inside the article are lists upon lists of shootings, who was involved, and what drugs they were on.

Anyone who believes that there is no correlation between these drugs and these shootings is full of nonsense. The Left rails against big business, but in this case supports big pharmas continuing to drug our youth and make billions doing it. Shame.

http://www.cchrint.org/2012/07/20/t...senseless-shooting-another-psychotropic-drug/

Fact: Despite 22 international drug regulatory warnings on psychiatric drugs citing effects of mania, hostility, violence and even homicidal ideation, and dozens of high profile shootings/killings tied to psychiatric drug use, there has yet to be a federal investigation on the link between psychiatric drugs and acts of senseless violence.

Fact: At least 35 school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in 169 wounded and 79 killed (in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made public—neither confirming or refuting if they were under the influence of prescribed drugs).

Fact: Between 2004 and 2012, there have been 14,773 reports to the U.S. FDA’s MedWatch system on psychiatric drugs causing violent side effects including: 1,531 cases of homicidal ideation/homicide, 3,287 cases of mania & 8,219 cases of aggression. Note: The FDA estimates that less than 1% of all serious events are ever reported to it, so the actual number of side effects occurring are most certainly higher.

Fact: It took months for the release of information showing that police had found psychiatric drugs in the apartment of Aurora Colorado movie theater shooter, James Holmes—including the anti-anxiety drug clonazepam and the antidepressant sertraline, the generic version of the antidepressant Zoloft. And despite official, legal requests for the release of Sandy Hook school shooter Adam Lanza’s toxicology reports and medical history to ascertain whether psychiatric drugs played a role in the school massacre, the office of the Connecticut medical examiner has refused to release this crucial information to the public, prompting a parent’s rights organization to take the matter to court.

Of the 35 people who committed acts of violence that were documented to be under the influence of psychiatric drugs, twelve were seeing either a psychiatrist or psychologist. See the list of school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence by those on psychiatric drugs here.

School-related acts of violence aren’t the only cases commonly found to be under the influence of psychiatric drugs. There are 19 other recent acts of senseless violence committed by individuals taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in an additional 88 dead and 131 wounded.

The correlation between psychiatric drugs and acts of violence and homicide is well documented – both by international drug regulatory warnings and studies, as well as by hundreds of cases where high profile acts of violence/mass murder were committed by individuals under the influence of psychiatric drugs...

As the world’s leading mental health watchdog, CCHR has for decades investigated hundreds of acts of senseless violence, working alongside investigative reporters, law enforcement, as well as legislative hearings, such as those held in Colorado following the 1999 Columbine massacre (ringleader Eric Harris was found to be under the influence of the antidepressant Luvox, Dylan Klebold’s autopsy reports were never unsealed).

And while there is never one simple explanation for what drives a human being to commit such unspeakable acts, all too often one common denominator has surfaced in hundreds of cases—prescribed psychiatric drugs which are documented to cause mania, psychosis, violence, suicide and in some cases, homicidal ideation. It is an injustice that the general public are not being informed about the well documented links between psychiatric drugs and violence, and so once again we present the facts:..

As far back as 1991, CCHR, along with numerous experts brought evidence before the US FDA that antidepressants were causing suicide and violence. The heavily Pharma-funded FDA panel ignored the evidence provided, and it would take 14 years, and a great deal of public pressure, for the FDA to finally issue it’s strongest warning, the black box, on antidepressants inducing suicidal ideation. 21 years later, the FDA has yet to issue a black box warning on antidepressants and other classes of psychiatric drugs documented by international regulatory agencies and studies to cause violence. This is not in the public’s interest, who deserve to be warned, it’s in Big Phama’s interest, upon whose funding the FDA heavily relies on.
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Again, the problem that wont be solved is that the technology exists. Once something like firearms are in existence, removing them is utterly impossible, because even I could make one in my basement if I wanted to. Bombs are the same way... the issue is people who want to be violent... denying them the tools is ultimately futile, look at the failed drug war as to why... so the proper prevention should be cultural disdain of violence, respect for life, harsh punishment for violence, and proper medical care for mentally unstable violent people, which has to be more than just cookie cutter medication.


Banning guns will just bring us to IRA era Ireland, with more public bombings and knifings...
 
Tibs said:
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These are all great ideas. I don't object to them, to be honest.

None of them will stop the problem we have however with mass shootings. None of them will do a single thing to impact problems like the gun violence in Chicago. Criminals don't follow the law.

This belief that these types of controls will help the problem are laughable.
 
Mother of Oregon Gunman Wrote of Keeping Firearms
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/u...-firearms.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Answering a question about state gun laws several years ago, Ms. Harper, a registered nurse, took a jab at “lame states” that impose limits on keeping loaded firearms in the home, and noted that she had AR-15 and AK-47 semiautomatic rifles, along with a Glock handgun. She also indicated that her son, who lived with her, was well versed in guns, citing him as her source of information on gun laws, saying he “has much knowledge in this field.”

“I keep two full mags in my Glock case. And the ARs & AKs all have loaded mags,” Ms. Harper wrote. “No one will be ‘dropping’ by my house uninvited without acknowledgement.”

The posts were found on Yahoo Answers, a site where Ms. Harper spent hours over the last 10 years, mostly answering medical questions from strangers, occasionally citing her own difficulties raising a troubled child. Her Yahoo profile had a user name of TweetyBird, accompanied by a cartoon image of a nurse. In many of her postings, she included her email address, which public records link to Ms. Harper.

Ms. Harper did not respond to messages seeking comment.

Law enforcement officials have said they recovered 14 firearms and spare ammunition magazines that were purchased legally either by Mr. Harper-Mercer or an unnamed relative. Mr. Harper-Mercer had six guns with him when he entered a classroom building and started firing on a creative writing class in which he was enrolled; he took his own life after exchanging fire with the police.

Ms. Harper and Christopher’s father, Ian Mercer of Tarzana, Calif., divorced in 2006 and were separated years earlier; Mr. Mercer told CNN last week that he thought the nation should change its gun laws, saying the massacre “would not have happened” if his son had not been able to buy so many handguns and rifles.

“How was he able to compile that kind of arsenal?” Mr. Mercer said in an interview with CNN. He said he had no idea that his son owned more than a dozen firearms.
 
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