And I can tell you right now just read 2.
If that is happening that means your Oline is getting their *** kicked. And that my friend is not coaching. That's man on man
Tomlin sucks thread 11/6/16
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And I can tell you right now just read 2.
If that is happening that means your Oline is getting their *** kicked. And that my friend is not coaching. That's man on man
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Maybe quit running right into the teeth of Baltimore's defense. Maybe get another receiver involved in the game. Try calling routes to different areas of the field that were blanketed by Ravens' defenders. Try to get creative with Brown to get him in open space. Call for some easy, safe throws for Ben to get him in a rhythm. But you said it, the offensive line was getting dominated and they kept running right into it. No adjustments. We all knew Ben would struggle in his first game back and that includes the deep throws that he's usually good at. You need to account for that,especially against a team that plays you so well. They didn't and as a result lost again.
And I can tell you right now just read 2.
If that is happening that means your Oline is getting their *** kicked. And that my friend is not coaching. That's man on man
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So it is up to the coaching to get around that matchup. That's in game adjustments at its finest right there.
So there were no balls thrown to Rogers James Coates Bell etc today. None. So what are the coaches to do not run yes that will help Ben just give up on the run..and they did call easy safe throws he missed them
see that is it
adjustments he fails miserably at them
when things go well yinz need less adjustments obviously
Tomlin isn't a very smart coach, he should kiss BEn's statue nightly, thanking him for still having a job.
Because he won't change.
His trends show this, as many has pointed out his arrogance in related subjects.
If something broken can't be fixed?
you replace it
On the offensive line????
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Think about it like this.
Can we all agree that, when we play on the road and/or when Ben is coming off injury, he struggles with rust on his timing and downfield accuracy? We ALL agree on that right?
Can we also all agree with the premise that every single player has weaknesses? Even the immortal T*mmy Br*dy struggles mightily when he is under pressure. His biggest strengths as a QB are 1) identifying defensive schemes and coverages pre-snap (hmm..) and 2) delivering insanely accurate, in stride, short-to-intermediate passes that allow for maximum YAC
So what does Hoodie do? Because he has a very keen awareness of his team's personnel and strengths vs. weaknesses, he runs an entire offense based off the QB getting rid of the ball quickly and accurately, so that he MINIMIZES the number of plays in which he has to directly face his biggest weakness, pressure. And MAXIMIZES the number of plays in which the QB is playing to his strengths - pre-snap reads and quick, accurate delivery. He goes out and gets receivers who specialize in quickness/change of direction so that they get open quickly off the ball and complement the QB's skill set. Everything is built off the strengths, and also the weaknesses, of the quarterback.
Now fast forward to today. As we've already said, we ALL KNOW Ben struggles to get the rust off in his first game back from injury. Do we really think that stubbornly forcing inside runs that aren't working against stacked boxes all through the first half, forcing the QB into 3rd and longs, is how you knock the rust off? In every one of these games where Ben comes back, we essentially put Ben into difficult situations for any QB, but that we'd expect him to have a good chance of converting if he were in his usual rhythm. But he's NOT. He's NOT the same guy. And we KNOW that. That is the knowledge of the personnel that, somehow we all seem to have as observers, but the guys paid to do it just do not have. They force situations and play calls on him that they should know through observation are just not going to work UNTIL HE GETS THE RUST OFF. And how do you get rust off QBs? High percentage passes on early downs to get his confidence up. What did we all do day? Run Bell into walls of defenders.
Now this is focused solely on the situation of "Ben coming back from injury". We are also hot garbage on the road, hot garbage against bad teams as we all know, but again, no adjustments to the situation. No awareness. Yeah we can blame the players over and over again all we want, but if after YEARS of coaching this team and knowing the vulnerabilities of your personnel, it is the COACH'S responsibility to minimize the effect of the vulnerabilities and steer the flow of the game toward our strengths. Game after game after game after game of similar situations have obviously taught our coaches nothing. Yeah okay Ben missed a bomb to Coates that should have been a TD. But if you've watched this team as closely as we all have for the past decade, you already knew he'd do that before he even threw the pass because the rust hadn't been knocked off yet.
So, TLDR, **** Tomlin
Can we all agree that, when we play on the road and/or when Ben is coming off injury, he struggles with rust on his timing and downfield accuracy? We ALL agree on that right?
Can we also all agree with the premise that every single player has weaknesses? Even the immortal T*mmy Br*dy struggles mightily when he is under pressure. His biggest strengths as a QB are 1) identifying defensive schemes and coverages pre-snap (hmm..) and 2) delivering insanely accurate, in stride, short-to-intermediate passes that allow for maximum YAC
So what does Hoodie do? Because he has a very keen awareness of his team's personnel and strengths vs. weaknesses, he runs an entire offense based off the QB getting rid of the ball quickly and accurately, so that he MINIMIZES the number of plays in which he has to directly face his biggest weakness, pressure. And MAXIMIZES the number of plays in which the QB is playing to his strengths - pre-snap reads and quick, accurate delivery. He goes out and gets receivers who specialize in quickness/change of direction so that they get open quickly off the ball and complement the QB's skill set. Everything is built off the strengths, and also the weaknesses, of the quarterback.
Now fast forward to today. As we've already said, we ALL KNOW Ben struggles to get the rust off in his first game back from injury. Do we really think that stubbornly forcing inside runs that aren't working against stacked boxes all through the first half, forcing the QB into 3rd and longs, is how you knock the rust off? In every one of these games where Ben comes back, we essentially put Ben into difficult situations for any QB, but that we'd expect him to have a good chance of converting if he were in his usual rhythm. But he's NOT. He's NOT the same guy. And we KNOW that. That is the knowledge of the personnel that, somehow we all seem to have as observers, but the guys paid to do it just do not have. They force situations and play calls on him that they should know through observation are just not going to work UNTIL HE GETS THE RUST OFF. And how do you get rust off QBs? High percentage passes on early downs to get his confidence up. What did we all do day? Run Bell into walls of defenders.
Now this is focused solely on the situation of "Ben coming back from injury". We are also hot garbage on the road, hot garbage against bad teams as we all know, but again, no adjustments to the situation. No awareness. Yeah we can blame the players over and over again all we want, but if after YEARS of coaching this team and knowing the vulnerabilities of your personnel, it is the COACH'S responsibility to minimize the effect of the vulnerabilities and steer the flow of the game toward our strengths. Game after game after game after game of similar situations have obviously taught our coaches nothing. Yeah okay Ben missed a bomb to Coates that should have been a TD. But if you've watched this team as closely as we all have for the past decade, you already knew he'd do that before he even threw the pass because the rust hadn't been knocked off yet.
So, TLDR, **** Tomlin
he missed them because he shouldn't have played in that game
(head coach's decision to play him)
You like trends , Ben is 2-7 when coming back after a injury. Bens stats on the road suck compared to at home, you can look them up. So by your theory we should fire Tomlin and cut Ben?
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Yeah, adjust your ground attack. Adjust your passing attack. Quit sending the ball right into the strength of the defense.
many of choices Tommy Tom could have made
but he likes to be steady Eddy with his decision making process...
and the Steelers suffer for it as a result
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And if Coates catches that pass in the EZ. IF Ben plays the whole game like he did in the 4th quarter he'll we might have won by 21 point. Players execution. ..Heck I guarantee if we did win by 21 you wouldn't be here crying about Tomlin like you are.
Ok paint a accurate theory first.
My theory for the third time is
Ben rushes back being the competitor he is, Tomlin lets him play and lets him free lance regardless of how he is playing upon returning. Never adjusting or sitting him.
Which falls right back to Tommy Tom apologist.
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Funny you bring up a third and short where Ben heaves it down the field. It's funny because that's been Ben for his whole ******* career. Maybe, just maybe, the "trend" is the Quarterback deciding to go for the home run when he feels he can make it? Perhaps on those occasions that wasn't exactly the play call? I find it hard to believe that Derrius Heyward-Bey is the #1 option on any given play, and yet, Ben did exactly that today and many many times in the past; forced a pass to a player 40 yards down the damn field that sailed waaaaaay over his ******* head. Again, the quarterback making a ****** read, and then a ****** throw, is hard to blame on ANY coach.
A head coach has say in what he wants the QB to do, the QB doesn't run the show!
And if he does, it is up to the coach againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
sigh
to change the trend
He doesn't say ahhhh **** it Ben will eventually figure it out
no he Tommy Tom is supposed to figure it out and adjust
that is why he is a ******* head coach
imagine that
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I'll ask you for the third time, without completely ignoring what happened in the fourth quarter today, what suggests to you that Ben had supposedly "rushed" back from his injury? Was it his rushing touchdown? How about the 200 yards and two touchdowns he put on the board in ten minutes? Surely he couldn't have been capable of any of that considering you're stating that his **** play in the first three quarters was the result of him rushing back.
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"Hey, Ben! You better throw it to this ******* guy, no matter what! You got it?! No questions asked!"
Seems plausible. Or rather the make of a "smart" coach.
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Besides the other 10%? Oh there is a lot more Head Coaches do that is not game day related. They have to face the media week in and week out win or lose answer questions as to why the players ****** the game up or succeeded. They also work together with the GM to acquire players. In that respect if they are given a lot of pull in the GM's decision it could be argued that they account for more than 10% of wins and loses but once the team is set personnel wise, their game day decisions affect 10% of the outcome of each game.
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I guarantee you that every one of those players has been taught ALL the fundamentals.....exhaustively. Their position coaches work with them day in and day out. These coaches are professional coaches most of whom were professional football players so you will never convince me in a million years that these guys who have made it to the HIGHEST level of coaching possible, do not know fundamentals. . Having a player to execute it correctly is the difference in success or failure. I won't go as far as saying that NO blame should go on coaching for game day screw ups, but it's of very little consequence compared to the guys between the white lines IMO. I have always believed that and probably always will. Players play and coaches coach.
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Or maybe he would've made them had he taken his head out of his *** sooner than he decided to?
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So please, humor us. At what point in joshy's world, does he decide that the steelers need to move on and find a new staff? Is it "as long as they're not 2-14 or 1-15, we need to stay the course"..?? Please, I would love to know, what? 3-13? Do we need to not win a playoff game for a decade+ before you make a change?
I'll wait
HE rushed back because the injury is typically longer than two weeks to return, he was inaccurate and missed a lot of throws, for a QB that is very accurate. He wasn't seeing the whole field so he was nervous or unprepared or favoring his injury. That is a sign he wasn't ready to come back, and if he was ready to come back? The coach still didn't ******* make enough ******* adjustments to ******* win for the ******* third game in a row.
But you decipher it until you can find a way not to blame Tommy Tom for having his entire team look like ****, when the team he was facing has been looking like **** all year.
******* apologists just have no quit in you.
What about this play what about this mentioned comment, what about the ******* trend Tomlin has shown more often than not.
What about he isn't fixing them, how will they get fixed?
What would you do to fix them? golly G just hope for the best?
trend continues
oh well eventually they will work themselves out tee hee
lol ridiculous
or maybe a coach should have had him and that shitshow of a team more prepared to play
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I wholeheartedly agree with you 100%. And What's also funny in all of this is the fact that just three weeks ago, we heard the players complaining about how "physical" practices were! What the **** do these guys think they were doing for these guys to openly complain about it???