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Top 5 steelers per position

POP said:
Bradshaw was inaccurate on far too many throws, and that had nothing to do with rules of the time. He had no touch on short passes, had a strong arm, but sprayed balls all over the place. Ben is much better.
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Nothing to do with the rules? Here are the all-time leaders in completion %:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Only 3 guys that played BEFORE the rules changed in 1978 make the top 50. Ken Stabler, Ken Anderson and Danny White. White was a punter mostly until Stauback retired and Anderson played in one the earliest versions of the west coast offense. Back in those days 55% was considered good!

Now I'm not saying that Brad was the most accurate passer he has a career % of 51.9%. Some of his peers: Griese 56.2, Tarkington 57.0, Staubach 57.0, Dawson 57.1.

To say it has NOHTING to do with rules is beyond rediculous.
 
steelerscotty said:
Nothing to do with the rules? Here are the all-time leaders in completion %:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Only 3 guys that played BEFORE the rules changed in 1978 make the top 50. Ken Stabler, Ken Anderson and Danny White. White was a punter mostly until Stauback retired and Anderson played in one the earliest versions of the west coast offense. Back in those days 55% was considered good!

Now I'm not saying that Brad was the most accurate passer he has a career % of 51.9%. Some of his peers: Griese 56.2, Tarkington 57.0, Staubach 57.0, Dawson 57.1.

To say it has NOHTING to do with rules is beyond rediculous.
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You apparently haven't watched entire game tapes of Bradshaw; there are a myriad of plays where the only thing that went wrong was his passes were not accurate. That has nothing to do with rules. He just wasn't an accurate passer.
 
yeah Terry sucked, that is how he won two SB MVPs

he may have sprayed the ball a bit in the regular season, but come playoff time he stepped up his game

Plus he called his own plays......
 
Keep in mind that Terry was very raw when he got here, and the team wasn't good his first two years.
 
FordFairLane said:
#1- Roethlisberger
#2- Bradshaw
#3- Neil OD
#4- Bobby Layne
#5- Tommy Maddox

We really don't have much after Ben and Terry lol. Neil was good for a year but blew the super bowl by sucking so bad. Layne left but when he came back had a few good seasons. Maddox had one great season and at the time broke records for us. I liked him more than most I know.
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Agree, my list would have to have Bobby Layne in it, no Korky, and Brister maybe #6.
 
Never watched many of Terry's game tapes but did watch him on TV and in person at every home game from 1973 till the end of his career. Would totally disagree that he was "scatter arm".In his prime he was as accurate a deep thrower as I have seen-and it got there in a big hurry. He was bad at dink and dunk but if you think Ben sometimes forgets safety valves Terry acted like he never heard of one. He also never saw many receivers he thought were covered but fortunately Swann and Stallworth had the same belief. Another thing not mentioned about the era as that the Steelers mostly played 2 wr sets and when a 3rd did come in he often replaced the TE. There weren't as many targets running around. You can argue whether Ben or Terry was better but you don't need to diss the guy. Maybe when Ben's career is over but for now it's still an argument.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Agree, my list would have to have Bobby Layne in it, no Korky, and Brister maybe #6.
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Always remember that The Bubster got a ring before Cowher did and went 4-0 for Denver in place of an injured Elway to get it, so it's not like he was along for the ride.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubby_Brister

Career highlights during his 1988-1991 run as Pittsburgh's starting QB included ranking 4th in the NFL in average yards per pass completion in 1988 and ranking 10th in the league in passer rating in 1990. Brister had five scoring passes that were 65 yards or longer in 1988, including an 89-yard touchdown to Louis Lipps vs the Philadelphia Eagles on November 13 that was the longest pass completion by a Steeler in Three Rivers Stadium history. In 1989 he set a team record with 15 consecutive pass completions in a road win over Detroit, including a 48 yarder to Lipps. Brister also set a team record in 1989 throwing 178 consecutive passes without an interception. It was 1990 that Brister established career highs for starts (16), yards passing (2,725) and touchdown passes (20). Brister missed 8 games with injuries in 1991, setting up a competition with back up Neil O'Donnell for the starting job. Pittsburgh went 5-3 when Brister played, only 2-6 with O'Donnell as a starter. Brister was the starting quarterback during Hall Of Fame Coach Chuck Noll's final post season run with the Steelers, winning the 1989 AFC Wild Card in overtime on the road against the Houston Oilers, then losing a close game to eventual AFC champion Denver Broncos. Brister led an 82-yard drive at the end of the 4th quarter to tie the Houston game and force overtime. Against Denver, he passed for 229 yards and 1 touchdown, with no turnovers.
After brief stops as a backup quarterback for the Eagles and New York Jets, Brister sat out the 1996 season. In his first season in Philadelphia in 1993, Brister ranked 7th in the league in passer rating and 4th in lowest interception percentage, starting 8 games with two relief appearances subbing for an injured Randall Cunningham. Brister's interception percentage that year was the lowest in Eagles team history for more than a decade until eclipsed by Donovan McNabb. Before the 1998 season, Jeff Lewis had fallen out of favor with the Broncos; thus, Brister became the primary backup QB. During the 1998 season, Elway was forced to sit out a number of games due to injury and Brister started those games in his place. He played well and the Broncos went undefeated in all of his starts (4-0); Brister also broke the team's (then) record for longest rushing touchdown by a quarterback[4] and recorded a higher passer rating than Elway. However, when Elway retired in 1999, Brister was passed over for the starting spot in favor of Brian Griese, and the Broncos released him after that season. During his three seasons with the Broncos, he won two Super Bowl rings.
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Center
1. Dermonnti Dawson
2. Mike Webster
3. Jeff Hartings
4. Maurkice Pouncey
5. Ray Mansfield (the center prior to Webster)
 
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RB
1. Franco Harris
2. Jerome Bettis
3.Willie Parker
4.Barry Foster
5.Rocky Bleier
Could make a case for the Bus at #1 too, but Franco was always at his best for big games. Still holds all time total SB yards record. I saw both of them in their prime. Going to the playoffs, I'd want Franco.
 
steelville said:
RB
1. Franco Harris
2. Jerome Bettis
3.Willie Parker
4.Barry Foster
5.Rocky Bleier
Could make a case for the Bus at #1 too, but Franco was always at his best for big games. Still holds all time total SB yards record. I saw both of them in their prime. Going to the playoffs, I'd want Franco.
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1. Bus - had he played for the 70's teams, he would be considered one of the best ever, I mean like top 5 in history.
2. Bell - I know we haven't seen him do it for long, but from a talent perspective he is 2nd best.
3. Foster. Short lived, but in his prime he was our top 3 back.
4. Franco - right place at right time, but still really good.
5. Frankie Pollard.
 
steelville said:
RB
1. Franco Harris
2. Jerome Bettis
3.Willie Parker
4.Barry Foster
5.Rocky Bleier
Could make a case for the Bus at #1 too, but Franco was always at his best for big games. Still holds all time total SB yards record. I saw both of them in their prime. Going to the playoffs, I'd want Franco.
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1. Franco Harris
2. Jerome Bettis
3. Barry Foster
4. John Henry Johnson
5. LeVeon Bell
 
1 Harris- No other RB for the Steelers produced like he did.
2 Bettis- Bulldozing back
3 Parker- Production and speed was a nice combo
4 John Henry Johnson -old school
5 Foster - that single season best performance inched him up to 5th for me


Bell will move up the list provided he is resigned, which I see happening
 
Bradshaw, was clearly smart enough to call his own plays and called them well enough to win 4 super bowls. He played in a much different era and played well in the big games.

Ben, very similar to Bradshaw in some ways, but the difference in eras and style of play would make any stat comparison not relevant.

Stewart a good player that just could not get it all together. He had flashes and was very dynamic but could not seem to make the next step.

Bubby a good player on some teams that were just not up to scratch, the guy played hard and gave all he had but was unable to get to great.

Odummel always looked confused, like the lights were on but nobody was home. Big games were tough for him. Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, played so bad that good coaching could not save his sorry *** and many folks thought Jones paid him off he was so bad.
 
POP said:
You apparently haven't watched entire game tapes of Bradshaw; there are a myriad of plays where the only thing that went wrong was his passes were not accurate. That has nothing to do with rules. He just wasn't an accurate passer.
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Does watching the games when they were played count instead of tapes?
 
POP said:
Watch game tapes of Bradshaw, not just highlights.

He is nowhere near the QB Ben is. It's not even close. If Ben played on those teams, he probably would have won 5-6 rings.
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Yeah Bradshaw was a real bum, a 100 plus QB rating in all four Super Bowls, a key TD pass in the 4th quarter of all 4 Super Bowls, led the NFL in TD passes in 1978. Ben has been poor to mediocre in his 3 Super Bowls, huge edge Bradshaw.

Put Bradshaw with these silly pass friendly rules and he ob;iterates anything Ben has done. Much better arm, smarter and a true leader, Ben is great bit he is no Bradshaw, Bradshaw's numbers were a product of the era but he started putting up way above the NFL averages as the rules changed in q1978.
 
Bradshaw #1. The Steelers never won a Super Bowl DESPITE him, the same cannot be said for Ben.

Kordell only had so many passing yards because the Steelers stuck with him way too long.
 
SteelChip said:
Granted, he could do some dumb ****,even lost his job once to "Jefferson Street Joe Gilliam" but he had a howitzer for an arm and he led the Steelers to eight AFC Central championships and four Super Bowl titles. I know, we had the best defense and Franco but he still got the job done. Don't forget either, in '78 he was named the NFL MVP by the AP. and has 2 SB MVP's, something Ben hasn't sniffed as of yet.
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Also Remeber that Bradshaw called his own plays in a run dominated league. Not taking anything away from BEN (truely number 1), but don't sell Terry short by any means in public opinion. (I know your not SteeChip) just saying for public reference.





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Wingman said:
Does watching the games when they were played count instead of tapes?
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Sure, it kind of counts, but I highly doubt you recall every pass from 40 years ago. When I went back and watched game tape, Bradshaw was much more inaccurate than I recalled.
 
POP said:
Sure, it kind of counts, but I highly doubt you recall every pass from 40 years ago. When I went back and watched game tape, Bradshaw was much more inaccurate than I recalled.
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How did he compare to other QB's of his time? As a whole QB's were not as accurate back then as they are now. I think it has to do with the way the game was played defensively back then to now. When you know someone was going to clobber you 10 seconds after you throw the ball away and not get flagged it kind of makes a BIG difference.
 
stillwright said:
How did he compare to other QB's of his time? As a whole QB's were not as accurate back then as they are now. I think it has to do with the way the game was played defensively back then to now. When you know someone was going to clobber you 10 seconds after you throw the ball away and not get flagged it kind of makes a BIG difference.
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Dan Fouts was pretty damn accurate; he put up 4,000 yards a season in 1979. Stabler, Staubach, Ken Anderson.They were all more accurate than TB.
 
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