Top 5 steelers per position

[Coach]

It looks like the fans here see it thusly:

1 ) Roethlisberger
2 ) Bradshaw
3A )O'Donnell
3B)Stewart
5 ) Brister

Initially, I was going to keep this all in one thread, but it's already messy. So I'm creating a new one for each positon, and combined them all, hopefully before camp starts.

 

[steelerscotty]

Never watched many of Terry's game tapes but did watch him on TV and in person at every home game from 1973 till the end of his career. Would totally disagree that he was "scatter arm".In his prime he was as accurate a deep thrower as I have seen-and it got there in a big hurry. He was bad at dink and dunk but if you think Ben sometimes forgets safety valves Terry acted like he never heard of one. He also never saw many receivers he thought were covered but fortunately Swann and Stallworth had the same belief. Another thing not mentioned about the era as that the Steelers mostly played 2 wr sets and when a 3rd did come in he often replaced the TE. There weren't as many targets running around. You can argue whether Ben or Terry was better but you don't need to diss the guy. Maybe when Ben's career is over but for now it's still an argument.

Good points OBX. I think the style of their offense had something to do with it also. run-run-pass. When they did throw on 1st down it was almost always mid to deep play actions. Very few dump offs and screens. But there i go again, using FACTS to try to counter somebody's set-in-stone opinion.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Nothing to do with the rules? Here are the all-time leaders in completion %:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm

Only 3 guys that played BEFORE the rules changed in 1978 make the top 50. Ken Stabler, Ken Anderson and Danny White. White was a punter mostly until Stauback retired and Anderson played in one the earliest versions of the west coast offense. Back in those days 55% was considered good!

Now I'm not saying that Brad was the most accurate passer he has a career % of 51.9%. Some of his peers: Griese 56.2, Tarkington 57.0, Staubach 57.0, Dawson 57.1.

To say it has NOHTING to do with rules is beyond rediculous.

You forgot Steve Grogan. His completion percentage for 1979 season was 48.7% .




Salute the nation

 

[Clete]

The sheer stupidity that people put garbage like Brister and Stewart over Bobby :Layne tells you all you need to know about this thread.

 

[POP]

Yeah Bradshaw was a real bum,

Your propensity for making straw man arguments, so noted. I never said TB was a bum, just that Ben is the much better QB. How is that one in the same?

Your logic is fleeting.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The sheer stupidity that people put garbage like Brister and Stewart over Bobby :Layne tells you all you need to know about this thread.

Thing is, you have to be my dad's age (80) to know about players like Bobby Layne and John Henry Johnson.

 

[POP]

The sheer stupidity that people put garbage like Brister and Stewart over Bobby :Layne tells you all you need to know about this thread.

This off-season to too long, so I thought I start a top 5 thread on who the best Steelers were per position since the AFL-NFL merger.

No, the sheer stupidity is that the NFL merger was in 1966, Bobby lane was drafted in 1942, meaning, he played too long ago to be in this discussion. Lane's last year in Pgh was 1962.

Now, what is it that you were saying?

 

[POP]

Thing is, you have to be my dad's age (80) to know about players like Bobby Layne and John Henry Johnson.

This off-season to too long, so I thought I start a top 5 thread on who the best Steelers were per position since the AFL-NFL merger.,

See org. instructions.

 

[POP]

Dan Fouts was pretty damn accurate; he put up 4,000 yards a season in 1979. Stabler, Staubach, Ken Anderson.They were all more accurate than TB.

I notice none of the TB apologists have acknowledged this point.

 

[wig]

Center
1. Dermonnti Dawson
2. Mike Webster
3. Jeff Hartings
4. Maurkice Pouncey
5. Ray Mansfield (the center prior to Webster)

Sean Mahan? At least he played awhile... (ducking...) One day Maurkice is gonna come over to my house and kick my ***. I hope it's after he plays a full game.

As for QBs, I'd put Kordell and O'Donnell somewhere together in the 3rd 4th spot. O'Donnell ultimately was a better QB I suppose. He certainly was more conservative if less dynamic. Honestly you can say O'Donnell for most of his career was fairly "solid" if not spectacular. If he hadn't completely fallen apart in 30, the Steelers would have likely won that game. Such a tragedy. And it lead to his getting out of dodge and Stewart ultimately being promoted from "Slash".

Dominoes people... dominoes.

 

[Clete]

I notice none of the TB apologists have acknowledged this point.

Bradshaw threw for 3,724 yards on only 259 completions moron, so what is your non point ?

For the closest statistical season Bn had to complete SIXTY more passes to gain 214 more yards last year than Bradshaw did in 1979, 3,938 to 3,724 yeah Ben just tore it up once again.. Bradshaw averaged 14.4 yards per completion while Ben only averaged a paltry 12.3 yards per completion using much much much friendlier passing rules. Ben is not in the same league as Bradshaw. Bradshaw would destroy todays pussified NFL, something Ben has never done, never led the league in TDs, completion percentage, passer rating etc yet Bradshaw started just destroying passing record starting in 1978 and would have contin ued to do so to a greater degree is playing with todays pass friendly rules which make even bad QBs stars according to the stats of the 70s.

 

[Wingman]

Fouts and yards with great accuracy were not enough to win a super bowl. I guess you can choose to compete for rushing titles, passing titles or championships. Maybe there is a reason the Steelers have 6 championships, 4 of them by Bradshaw.