Trade ben now!!!!

[madinsomniac]

Well, well, well.

The Big Dummy has a good game, and the pom pom waving bandwagon runners want to start running their mouths. Where are you when he's more often that not stinking it up, eh?

Roethlisberger is currently in the top 10 in career passer rating and is on pace to finish either in the top 10 or top 20 in almost every passing category.Acting like he is a bad QB simply because you do not like him do not change his success rate or stats, or that by career's end he will likely be a lock for the HOF. Sorry

 

[Drink IRON City]

It will be funny when he flounders for the next 3 weeks and we Miss the playoffs again. But hey he had a great game

Just keeping suit, BUT **** off troll!!!!!

It was good to see the O play as it did tonight. I would love to know what caused the turnaround? perhaps letting Ben play without strapping him down?

great win and I will enjoy it all week long !

I too will enjoy. I think maybe some of the rookies played hard for the 100 in 150 thing. I think the veterans played hard as they know the rookies are the future and maybe didn't want to get to showed up. I could go on and on and on, but you get the point. ALL CLICKED at the right time.

Well, well, well.

The Big Dummy has a good game, and the pom pom waving bandwagon runners want to start running their mouths. Where are you when he's more often that not stinking it up, eh?

**** off less than drool. Come on here with a ******* gavins loss and just talk ****. How did flucco play today? Near 500?

Case in point.

Yea, READ above response to your ****, CASE IN POINT.



Salute the nation

 

[insaniti]

Games like this just make my ignore list even longer. Really brings out the deadbeats.

 

[t-man]

Well, well, well.

The Big Dummy has a good game, and the pom pom waving bandwagon runners want to start running their mouths. Where are you when he's more often that not stinking it up, eh?

Odd, if he was "more often than not" stinking it up, wouldn't his overall passer rating reflect that? How about you post ONE stat he's been "stinking it up" with since he started, and we can talk. Otherwise, well, you know....

**** off troll.

Oh, how did FUKKO look today? I watched the game, man, he was amazing! Two picks in two consecutive drives, man, I wish Ben was more like him.

Joe

 

[t-man]

Odd, if he was "more often than not" stinking it up, wouldn't his overall passer rating reflect that? How about you post ONE stat he's been "stinking it up" with since he started, and we can talk. Otherwise, well, you know....

**** off troll.

Oh, how did FUKKO look today? I watched the game, man, he was amazing! Two picks in two consecutive drives, man, I wish Ben was more like him.

Joe

Still waiting, Ravens Troll Bags.

Joe

 

[Lmob0621]

4th in passing ypg... 4th in completion %, TD/INT Ratio over 5-1, 4th In the NFL's QB rating... yeah, he is killing the Steelers and is obviously the reason they lose...

 

[Steelerfan]

I'm thinking Brad Wing should get the game ball tonight. He crushed that 1 punt. If we don't go shoot ourselves in the foot with the Heyward Bey fumble and the Blount fumble BB may have got to 600 and 7 TDs. 5 wide *******!!!

Flag on the play. (turns on microphone) "Illegal procedure, number Fiji Mariner, for failure to capitalize all words. Five yard penalty, repeat first down"

 

[bigtwnvin]

Hollywood Bags aka #polesmokingcockholster
The Steelers will get a chance to rectify the debacle in week 2 and between Dec 7th and Dec. 28th own the division. The New Orleans Saints game at Heinz Field will be another opportunity for the Steelers to put Ben in the limelight again against another "elite" QB in Drew Brees. I think the Chiefs game is going to be a tough one as well.

 

[Vader]

Hollywood Bags aka #polesmokingcockholster
The Steelers will get a chance to rectify the debacle in week 2 and between Dec 7th and Dec. 28th own the division. The New Orleans Saints game at Heinz Field will be another opportunity for the Steelers to put Ben in the limelight again against another "elite" QB in Drew Brees. I think the Chiefs game is going to be a tough one as well.

It isn't Ben vs. Brees. It's Ben vs. the Saints defense and Brees vs. the Steelers defense. The Saints haven't won a road game this year and their defense is horrible. Ben should light them up. I'm more worried about the rats because they do have a decent defense. There is no reason to lose to the Saints at home in November with that defense.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I give Hollywood Bags some credit (like a thimble amount).

The board has a ton of negative of nancy's- the ones that could find ways to to complain about the liverspots on Dan Rooney's hand. Most only come out after losses (Franco) to declare how right they are.

HBags, on the other hand- evenafter 2 big W's in a row, is still confidently spewing his nonsense with little to no regard.

Big Ben has a historic game? Big Dummy shoulda had 700 playing againt that D!!
Tomlin and the other coaches have kept the team on track and are 11-5 in the past 16 games? Screw it, I bet Rex Ryan would look reaaaal nice in black and gold...

 

[awboatguy]

Two more franchise records for him, spread the ball to 9 different receivers (would have been 10 had Archer not dropped one), clearly this is the wrong guy to lead the franchise during these troubling times.

I think the drop was by DHB. Archer was benched for that game.

 

[oicu8ad]

The problem with the ignore button is you sometimes don't get to see the original stupid *** comment that caused the troll to get ***** - slapped.

 

[F83]

I think the drop was by DHB. Archer was benched for that game.

no he dropped a easy screen pass

 

[Hines57]

I give Hollywood Bags some credit (like a thimble amount).

The board has a ton of negative of nancy's- the ones that could find ways to to complain about the liverspots on Dan Rooney's hand. Most only come out after losses (Franco) to declare how right they are.

HBags, on the other hand- evenafter 2 big W's in a row, is still confidently spewing his nonsense with little to no regard.

Big Ben has a historic game? Big Dummy shoulda had 700 playing againt that D!!
Tomlin and the other coaches have kept the team on track and are 11-5 in the past 16 games? Screw it, I bet Rex Ryan would look reaaaal nice in black and gold...

Made the same comment today. 11-5 in the last 16. This team was 2-6 to start last year. They've turned the corner. We can still be better but they may have just found their stride. Win Sunday and we head into November with the Jets and Titans, a bye week and the Saints. Could be looking very playoffish come December time.

 

[Hines57]

I give Hollywood Bags some credit (like a thimble amount).

The board has a ton of negative of nancy's- the ones that could find ways to to complain about the liverspots on Dan Rooney's hand. Most only come out after losses (Franco) to declare how right they are.

HBags, on the other hand- evenafter 2 big W's in a row, is still confidently spewing his nonsense with little to no regard.

Big Ben has a historic game? Big Dummy shoulda had 700 playing againt that D!!
Tomlin and the other coaches have kept the team on track and are 11-5 in the past 16 games? Screw it, I bet Rex Ryan would look reaaaal nice in black and gold...

Made the same comment today. 11-5 in the last 16. This team was 2-6 to start last year. They've turned the corner. We can still be better but they may have just found their stride. Win Sunday and we head into November with the Jets and Titans, a bye week and the Saints. Could be looking very playoffish come December time.

We are a first round DB and more depth away from having a very good team though. I like the youth on D even if they are struggling in the secondary.

 

[diver]

While not in the trade Ben now crowd, I certainly have been asking if it would be prudent to pay him 20-25 million per.

See, this is where some of you guys are disingenuous. At various times throughout the year thus far, when they have played poorly, just about everybody on the team sucks. Just sucks. They have nothing. The cupboard is bare.

If we are to proceed under that premise, then how do you improve a team if the cupboard is that bare by paying one player 20-25 million per? Wouldn't it be wise to free up some money to try and build a team? By the time they are competitive again (remember, according to some they have no players), Ben may be past his prime.

So, if you believe that it is that bad, what are you prepared to do? At times this year I have felt it may be that bad. I don't know what they are, even after yesterday. I think the world of Ben. But are they the 2nd Cleveland game or what you saw yesterday? If it is the former, I will ask again. Can you pay one player that amount of money and build a competitive team around him? I would sight Denver to show you could. But in NE, Brady isn't making that 20-25 million. It is a tough question.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Flag on the play. (turns on microphone) "Illegal procedure, number Fiji Mariner, for failure to capitalize all words. Five yard penalty, repeat first down"

My bad, FNG got into me. Noted for future I just was so excited to see 5 WIDE *******!!!

 

[Vader]

While not in the trade Ben now crowd, I certainly have been asking if it would be prudent to pay him 20-25 million per.

See, this is where some of you guys are disingenuous. At various times throughout the year thus far, when they have played poorly, just about everybody on the team sucks. Just sucks. They have nothing. The cupboard is bare.

If we are to proceed under that premise, then how do you improve a team if the cupboard is that bare by paying one player 20-25 million per? Wouldn't it be wise to free up some money to try and build a team? By the time they are competitive again (remember, according to some they have no players), Ben may be past his prime.

So, if you believe that it is that bad, what are you prepared to do? At times this year I have felt it may be that bad. I don't know what they are, even after yesterday. I think the world of Ben. But are they the 2nd Cleveland game or what you saw yesterday? If it is the former, I will ask again. Can you pay one player that amount of money and build a competitive team around him? I would sight Denver to show you could. But in NE, Brady isn't making that 20-25 million. It is a tough question.

What you are missing is that the Steelers aren't big time FA spenders. So even if they had Kordell back at QB it wouldn't change anything with the draft or FA. You are assuming they'd go spend big time in FA when the fact is they won't. Moving Ben is probably the most ignorant suggestion a fan could make. Even if they had $50 million more dollars to spend it wouldn't change the make up of this team very much. They sign their own players and go after cheap FAs. That's what they do.

The fact is that drafting is the issue. Drafting bad players who don't fit what the Steelers do is a huge problem. Taking the best player on the team and trading him won't change that. Ben can play at least 5 more years. It doesn't take that long to turn a team around. Plus they aren't rebuilding like the clowns or raiders. They have a few good players like Brown, Bell, Blount and the players from the last draft. Getting rid of Ben means you throw away all of that for years of trying to find what you already have. Just makes no sense to me.

 

[bermudasteel]

whatever problems the Steelers had, Ben was never the root of it.

I will only counter with this...

Ben has always been known for his "big-play" mentality. That being said, he knows he holds on to the ball too long sometimes, and so does everyone in the world. On Sunday, he changed how the world thinks of him...

 

[topseed]

While not in the trade Ben now crowd, I certainly have been asking if it would be prudent to pay him 20-25 million per.

See, this is where some of you guys are disingenuous. At various times throughout the year thus far, when they have played poorly, just about everybody on the team sucks. Just sucks. They have nothing. The cupboard is bare.

If we are to proceed under that premise, then how do you improve a team if the cupboard is that bare by paying one player 20-25 million per? Wouldn't it be wise to free up some money to try and build a team? By the time they are competitive again (remember, according to some they have no players), Ben may be past his prime.

So, if you believe that it is that bad, what are you prepared to do? At times this year I have felt it may be that bad. I don't know what they are, even after yesterday. I think the world of Ben. But are they the 2nd Cleveland game or what you saw yesterday? If it is the former, I will ask again. Can you pay one player that amount of money and build a competitive team around him? I would sight Denver to show you could. But in NE, Brady isn't making that 20-25 million. It is a tough question.

That's my fear. Handing Ben another huge contract with another big signing bonus is going to handicap this team as his play declines. People act like he's still going to be an elite quarterback at the age of 37 or 38, but given the beating he's taken over his career, that is simply not going to be the case.

 

[topseed]

What you are missing is that the Steelers aren't big time FA spenders. So even if they had Kordell back at QB it wouldn't change anything with the draft or FA. You are assuming they'd go spend big time in FA when the fact is they won't. Moving Ben is probably the most ignorant suggestion a fan could make. Even if they had $50 million more dollars to spend it wouldn't change the make up of this team very much. They sign their own players and go after cheap FAs. That's what they do.

The fact is that drafting is the issue. Drafting bad players who don't fit what the Steelers do is a huge problem. Taking the best player on the team and trading him won't change that. Ben can play at least 5 more years. It doesn't take that long to turn a team around. Plus they aren't rebuilding like the clowns or raiders. They have a few good players like Brown, Bell, Blount and the players from the last draft. Getting rid of Ben means you throw away all of that for years of trying to find what you already have. Just makes no sense to me.

What you are missing is the amount of gaping holes this team has on its defense, especially in the secondary. They have some good young talent on offense, but without rebuilding this defense, practically from scratch, the Steelers aren't going to win a championship, or even be able to compete. Can you imagine what Peyton Manning would do this team in a potential playoff matchup?

And Ben is not going to play "at least" 5 more years. Well, he might be playing and collecting a paycheck at that point, but you certainly won't be seeing anything like last Sunday from Ben in the year 2019. I don't know how the Steelers would spend in free agency, but what I do know is I don't want them handing out another monster contract to a quarterback who's already been sacked over 400 times.

 

[Wingman]

Two sides to this coin and both positions have validity.

Trade Ben position possibly get several draft picks and free up space eliminate signing bonus dead money. Ben is still good and when he plays like last game great A team might just over pay for him. This scenario only makes sense if you think the team needs a complete overhaul and you will be needing a new core of players or at the very least 3 more years to repair what is wrong.

Keep Ben this makes sense if you think the team is on the verge of going deep in the playoffs or only one more year from getting the players we need to make another couple of runs at a super bowl. Prior to the last two games I thought they were on the way to last place in the division and did not see any hope for the season. Now it looks like they might have finally gotten things sorted out.

Just remember as guys get older things start to break down, what happens if Ben's arm gives out 1/2 way through the season after he signs a big contract. We lose Ben and the possibility of trade value.

Both positions have their advantages, based on what I saw two weeks ago it did not look good for the team and I was not of the opinion that they were going any where soon under those conditions it made sense to trade Ben. Now they look like they are capable of beating anyone so the keep Ben scenario makes more sense.

 

[steelbush]

I can't believe I'm going to chime in hear because I get so sick of debating this.....good NFL QBs are hard to come by. Ben at age 35 will be better than half the QBs in this league just on his experience, ability to read a defense, improvise, etc. Look at the last 20+ years of super bowl winners...go ahead, do it. Since the ******* late 80's it has been proven you dont win titles in this league with average QB's. Two exceptions are Dilfer and Brad Johnson, otherwise the names are Brees, Mannings, Elway, Favre, Montana, Young, Brady, Aikman, Rodgers, ROETHLISBERGER, etc. These are HOF quarterbacks. You just don't give a franchise QB away or don't pay him money because the next one is just around the corner. It doesn't ******* happen people!!! There's a reason the same franchise's suck year in and year out....no QB. They haven't found their guy and teams have failed and failed over and over again trying to draft or find that guy.

With every statistic in the world proving you need a franchise QB to win in this league it absolutely flabbergasts me that there's morons out there that think getting rid of our QB is a good idea because "we have holes to fill" "Ben wont last, he's taken a beating" "paying Ben will set our franchise back" REALLY! Go back and watch our franchise from the time Bradshaw left until we got our next franchise QB 20 years later in Ben. Ask any fan who was old enough how this franchise was until we got our second franchise QB. Ask the Bills how their team has been since Jim Kelly left. Look at the teams with above average QB's Lions, Bengals, Chiefs, Chargers, Cowboys, etc they still can't get over the top. QB is everything in this league.....absolutely everything. If you think otherwise you don't know **** about football.

This just in...we have a legit franchise RB also, pretty good chance he (and AB) can carry this team as Ben ages.

 

[topseed]

I can't believe I'm going to chime in hear because I get so sick of debating this.....good NFL QBs are hard to come by. Ben at age 35 will be better than half the QBs in this league just on his experience, ability to read a defense, improvise, etc. Look at the last 20+ years of super bowl winners...go ahead, do it. Since the ******* late 80's it has been proven you dont win titles in this league with average QB's. Two exceptions are Dilfer and Brad Johnson, otherwise the names are Brees, Mannings, Elway, Favre, Montana, Young, Brady, Aikman, Rodgers, ROETHLISBERGER, etc. These are HOF quarterbacks. You just don't give a franchise QB away or don't pay him money because the next one is just around the corner. It doesn't ******* happen people!!! There's a reason the same franchise's suck year in and year out....no QB. They haven't found their guy and teams have failed and failed over and over again trying to draft or find that guy.

With every statistic in the world proving you need a franchise QB to win in this league it absolutely flabbergasts me that there's morons out there that think getting rid of our QB is a good idea because "we have holes to fill" "Ben wont last, he's taken a beating" "paying Ben will set our franchise back" REALLY! Go back and watch our franchise from the time Bradshaw left until we got our next franchise QB 20 years later in Ben. Ask any fan who was old enough how this franchise was until we got our second franchise QB. Ask the Bills how their team has been since Jim Kelly left. Look at the teams with above average QB's Lions, Bengals, Chiefs, Chargers, Cowboys, etc they still can't get over the top. QB is everything in this league.....absolutely everything. If you think otherwise you don't know **** about football.

This just in...we have a legit franchise RB also, pretty good chance he (and AB) can carry this team as Ben ages.

OK, I went ahead and did it. I see you conveniently left names like Flacco and Russell Wilson off the list. Are they "HOF" material? And if you go back a few years further, inconveniently, you'll find names like Rypien, Hostetler, and Doug Williams. When are those Canton ceremonies coming, chief? Also, Eli might share a wonderful last name, but lumping him in there with the rest of those HOFers is a bit of stretch, don't you think?

Brady and Peyton Manning, universally considered among the top ten quarterbacks of all-time, have managed to win the big game twice between them in the last ten years, once in the last nine. Doesn't really support your argument, either. Wait, how many championships did Jim Kelly win for the Bills? None you say? Great point.

You know what wins most Super Bowls? Great defenses with solid quarterback play. And here's a news flash for you (and I won't even stoop to calling you a moronic idiot who doesn't know **** about football): Ben's days as a franchise quarterback will be long gone before the Steelers have a great defense again. Without a major defensive overhaul, you can shove your franchise quarterback straight up your ******* for the next two years while his next contract destroys what's left of this team for the following ten years or so.

 

[Idioteque]

Ben is not a HOFer based solely on his Super Bowls. But coupling his usually impressive postseason resume with great regular season play - and it has been great - makes him a HOFer.

Everyone talking about yardage/TD totals are missing the point. (So are those who claim the old-timers like Bradshaw, Namath, Griese, etc. are vastly overrated based on numbers. The difference between that era and today is as massive as the difference between 1910 baseball numbers and today's.) As far as numbers go, Ben has posted elite marks in the important categories - the ones that (a) correlate best to winning and (b) best narrow down to the QB's performance. These are YPA, YPC, and passer rating. Ben has been among the elites - better than many of his contemporaries - in this categories.

Not that the count stats don't matter. Peyton and Bradyhave carved out their spots in NFL lore with their wildly inflated numbers; I'm not trying to take that away from them. But there's a reason they inevitably fold in the postseason. I dare any of you to tell me with a straight face that they're surprised neither of those guys have had successful postseasons this decade.

Ben was a primary catalyst for three Super Bowl runs. He won two, excelling in one of them - his performance v. the Cardinals, with THAT gameplan and THAT offensive line, was masterful. This is a guy who's spent the majority of his career in a high-risk system with no o-line and no room for ultra-sanitized quarterbacking. Let's not forget that Tom Brady has been to five Super Bowls and only played great in two of them - and that was in a scheme TAILOR-MADE for a QB to succeed and not make mistakes. (Praising Brady for his high-completion and low-INT numbers is like praising Ichiro for his hitting numbers. Of course they never made stupid mistakes; they were game-planned into ultra-low-risk roles.)

Ben has been an elite QB for pretty much his entire career. He's a HOFer, end of story.