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Trade up Mock

Hines57 said:
I'm hoping they don't trade up. Stay where you are and the chips will fall. Only thing they could have done differently is not win out to end the year.
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Yeah not for Carter. I don't care for trading up in general having a lot of needs. Especially for a guy that comes with red flags. Really not worth the risk even if it is deemed minimal.
 
I understand but when was the last time the Steelers had a shot at the best player in the draft? 50 years ago? Carter is a pug and play interior defender that probably ranked higher than the likes of Aaron Donald when entering the draft. The offseason issues have to be a concern but if Khan did pull the trigger only giving up our 2nd 2nd round pick and getting a 5th back in the process would be reasonable enough imo.
 
slashsteel said:
Yeah not for Carter. I don't care for trading up in general having a lot of needs. Especially for a guy that comes with red flags. Really not worth the risk even if it is deemed minimal.
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No reason to trade up for NT. They don't value the position and haven't drafted a true NT since Hampton, off the top of my head. That was 2001.
 
Hines57 said:
No reason to trade up for NT. They don't value the position and haven't drafted a true NT since Hampton, off the top of my head. That was 2001.
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Carter plays the 0, 1, 3 and 5 techniques. He is scheme diverse and can literally play up and down the line. If you watch the tape he is hands down the best player in this draft. I do understand the off the field concerns. I personally would see if he fell to 17. But according to Peter King we are in play to jump in front of the Eagles. Who after losing Hargrave won't pass on Carter. No chance. So if we want him Khan is probably right and we are going to have to go get him.
 
FordFairLane said:
Carter plays the 0, 1, 3 and 5 techniques. He is scheme diverse and can literally play up and down the line. If you watch the tape he is hands down the best player in this draft. I do understand the off the field concerns. I personally would see if he fell to 17. But according to Peter King we are in play to jump in front of the Eagles. Who after losing Hargrave won't pass on Carter. No chance. So if we want him Khan is probably right and we are going to have to go get him.
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This is a fan dream. We needed to suck more last year so any trade up wouldn't be as costly to get this guy. The reality is we can't win a championship with swinging door Moore starting. They figured this out with Green, Moore is next to get replaced.
 
Hines57 said:
This is a fan dream. We needed to suck more last year so any trade up wouldn't be as costly to get this guy. The reality is we can't win a championship with swinging door Moore starting. They figured this out with Green, Moore is next to get replaced.
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I think if we stay at #17 LT is probably the pick. But if you compare Moore vs Chuks somehow Moore graded out better at pass pro than Chuks. Moore gave up more sacks but less pressures. And if you think about it a LT is protecting the blindside so a pressure is much more likely to result in a sack. And your LT is competing with the teams best pass rusher week in and week out and every play. So I could see the Steelers suring up RT with Jones and then protecting Moore with more chips and putting Freiermuth over there more as well. And I feel like we are going to be a run first team next year. That should protect KP from turnovers and help us win the time of possession battle. It will also protect Moore because the opportunities for an edge rusher to pin their ears back and not worry about run defense will be less than it was in 2022.
 
Moore has more upside than Chuks. Moore is headed into his 3rd year and won't have to cover for the guy next to him anymore as Dotson should not be the starter moving forward. They could upgrade either T position but Moore definitely has a higher ceiling left and Chuks will always be a ho-hum RT (he sucks at LT).
 
TDX27 said:
Moore has more upside than Chuks. Moore is headed into his 3rd year and won't have to cover for the guy next to him anymore as Dotson should not be the starter moving forward. They could upgrade either T position but Moore definitely has a higher ceiling left and Chuks will always be a ho-hum RT (he sucks at LT).
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Great point. The upgrade at LG should help Moore as well.
 
I'm not going to be upset if they trade up with 17 and 49 and gain a fifth round pick but I'm pulling for Parris Johnson. If I remember correctly (could be wrong) but I thought Moore was slated to play RT during his first training camp but Okoafor did not work out at LT so they swapped them. Place Johnson at LT and let Moore and Chuks battle it out on the right.

Also, the article mentioned the FO could be moving away from Jones the RT from OSU. Click on "upset" in the article. The author mentioned it could be a smoke screen but I'm not so sure considering the reasons they listed for possible FO consternation.
 
I have always been a Ford man---especially since I used to work for them :)

But I am totally aligned with Fairlane on this one ...
getting Cater in this draft...no matter the way we do it...

Would be FANTASIC!
 
FordFairLane said:
I understand but when was the last time the Steelers had a shot at the best player in the draft? 50 years ago? Carter is a pug and play interior defender that probably ranked higher than the likes of Aaron Donald when entering the draft. The offseason issues have to be a concern but if Khan did pull the trigger only giving up our 2nd 2nd round pick and getting a 5th back in the process would be reasonable enough imo.
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The Steelers have drafted one of the best players in the draft several times over the past 50 years. Got four of them in the 1974 draft alone.
 
FordFairLane said:
I understand but when was the last time the Steelers had a shot at the best player in the draft? 50 years ago? Carter is a pug and play interior defender that probably ranked higher than the likes of Aaron Donald when entering the draft. The offseason issues have to be a concern but if Khan did pull the trigger only giving up our 2nd 2nd round pick and getting a 5th back in the process would be reasonable enough imo.
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I think just about anyone makes that deal but I also think you are living on fantasy island if you think that is the price.
 
I am OK with a trade up........if, and ONLY if, it's for our pick of the litter of OTs.
If we get the first OT off the board, I think I'll be OK with it.
While my heart lies with Skoronski, I'll defer to the experts.
We need to help our 1st rd QB and RB out.
 
FordFairLane said:
But according to Peter King we are in play to jump in front of the Eagles. Who after losing Hargrave won't pass on Carter. No chance. So if we want him Khan is probably right and we are going to have to go get him.
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NFCE opponents must be soiling their trousers at the thought of Carter joining his former UGA teammate Jordan Davis on the Eagles DL.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I think just about anyone makes that deal but I also think you are living on fantasy island if you think that is the price.
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Probably right, even though the so called point total corresponds with the article, to move up in the top ten for someone you "lust" for, they're gonna want more than the going price and both sides know it. Especially Chicago who may be a little butt hurt over their lust for Claypool and losing #32 to begin with.
 
Carter would be a nice addition to a DL that has seen tremendous gain this off-season.

that said, a better get would be Broderick Jones to protect last year's #1 pick.
 
KStilley said:
You're right Ford but I think the seller has leverage when you're trying to move up for someone worthy of a top ten selection and the buyer can't afford to sit on their hands and wait.
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If the Steelers are desperate to move up then the Bears would have the advantage. If the Bears are desperate to move down then the Steelers would have an advantage. If both are content with moving or staying then the trade should be pretty fair. I believe a trade wouldn't happen until #9 is on the clock as the Bears might have a guy they are hoping falls and if so would not trade and in this scenario the Steelers would need to have Carter fall or they wouldn't be interested in trading up. It takes two to tango.
 
Agreed that the deal won't happen until the Bears are on the clock if in fact it's the ninth pick they're focusing on. I also think that there's a possibility that it's not Carter they're after if the Steelers make the move, not ruling out an OT. It will certainly be interesting next Thursday.
 
KStilley said:
Agreed that the deal won't happen until the Bears are on the clock if in fact it's the ninth pick they're focusing on. I also think that there's a possibility that it's not Carter they're after if the Steelers make the move, not ruling out an OT. It will certainly be interesting next Thursday.
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I was thinking Carter could be a front. I personally think Christian Gonzalez is the target if they move up. Just an opinion nothing solid except they had a pre-draft visit right away and from all accounts he has been a top 10 pick for awhile now. He does check a lot of boxes. Under 21, great SPARQ, need position, predraft visit. The one box he doesn't check is power 5 schoo.
 
Superman said:
Carter would be a nice addition to a DL that has seen tremendous gain this off-season.

that said, a better get would be Broderick Jones to protect last year's #1 pick.
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Supe---I am down with that if they cant get Carter...

Either one would be delightful!
 
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