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Trade up Mock

That trade would be tolerable in terms of what the Steelers are giving up and getting back, particularly for arguably the best player in the draft. My biggest question is, why in the world would the Bears pass on Carter? Best player at a position of need and they may miss out on the top tackles as well, which is another top need. The Bears rumors just don't register with me.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I don't know about this but to move from 20 to 10 to get Bush it costed a second and a third.
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#10= 1300
#20(850) + #52(380)= 1230

We actually got the better end of that deal by 70 or 94.3% trade value.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
That trade would be tolerable in terms of what the Steelers are giving up and getting back, particularly for arguably the best player in the draft. My biggest question is, why in the world would the Bears pass on Carter? Best player at a position of need and they may miss out on the top tackles as well, which is another top need. The Bears rumors just don't register with me.
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The bears are more than 1 player away from competing. Stockpiling picks might be their way of building up the roster and adding multiple additions through the draft over the next couple of years. And the Bears did sign Andrew Billings. Not saying they couldn’t use another DT but might have lightened the need.
 
FordFairLane said:
#10= 1300
#20(850) + #52(380)= 1230

We actually got the better end of that deal by 70 or 94.3% trade value.
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Have you decided to forget about the 2020 3rd round pick they also gave Denver?

Denver #10=1300


Steelers #20=850
#52=380
3rd round pick 2020 #83=175

Grand Total =1405

Still get the better end of the trade?
I’ll let you work out the percentage
 
Losing draft capital for a player, that while maybe elite, isn't the best move for a team with many needs that are more pressing.
If anything, trade down if a player of need can be had 4 or 5 spots down.
 
TDX27 said:
Moore has more upside than Chuks. Moore is headed into his 3rd year and won't have to cover for the guy next to him anymore as Dotson should not be the starter moving forward. They could upgrade either T position but Moore definitely has a higher ceiling left and Chuks will always be a ho-hum RT (he sucks at LT).
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Pretty sure MOORE could replace Chuks at RT and be an up-grade. We need to get that LT if we were to move up and even if by way out chance, he fell to us.

LT > Campbell.


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FordFairLane said:
The bears are more than 1 player away from competing. Stockpiling picks might be their way of building up the roster and adding multiple additions through the draft over the next couple of years. And the Bears did sign Andrew Billings. Not saying they couldn’t use another DT but might have lightened the need.
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I just don't see them passing on the best player in the draft at a premium position. An IDL who can rush the passer can transform a defense in exchange for the No. 3-4 player at a position of need.
 
I'm not so worried Carter's original red flags. I'm more worried about the stuff about his work ethic that is coming out the past few days. A lot of questions to trade up for. On GMF this morning there were Albert Hainsworth comparisons.
 
I’m more inclined to believe all the leaks about Carter being linked to the Steelers trading up for him are just a smoke screen as we try to move up and secure KPs blind side protection. They probably just caught the word and the Steelers were inquiring about moving up and connected it to Carter.

My guess is they’re trying to position for OT2 rather than OT4 in the draft

But damn, Carter is a game wrecker
 
Fiji Mariner said:
I’m more inclined to believe all the leaks about Carter being linked to the Steelers trading up for him are just a smoke screen as we try to move up and secure KPs blind side protection. They probably just caught the word and the Steelers were inquiring about moving up and connected it to Carter.

My guess is they’re trying to position for OT2 rather than OT4 in the draft

But damn, Carter is a game wrecker
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I’ve been very adamant about improving the trenches, LT to be my more dominant due to OL trench upgrades. With the off season moves to current, we are just a piece away from near potential dominance from the OL.

This is an Offense driven league with rules in favor of that. We need our offense to dominate and a 2nd tier LT & RT don’t get them there nearly as well as the high investment can.

Defense needs to slow and possible change the number of possessions the opponents get, b it the Offense needs to sc ore points, something we weren’t very good at last season.


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Yesterday Dulac said that of they moved up, it would be for a CB, not for Carter…
The scuttlebutt out in draftnik world is tgat Detroit really loves Carter, but so does Chicago… the current theory is that Chicago is only willing to trade down if Carter isn’t there, so I would not put too much into that idea that we are targeting Carter to move up…

Who knows.. everything might be misdirection, but lets not forget that at least twice the Steelers have targeted a top end CB in the first only to have a team jump ahead of them to get him… so it stands to reason that Dulac is right and they have a plan in place to move up to get one they love just in case ….


I say unless a real HOF type stud is there, trade down… top ten picks aren’t a sure thing and this Draft seems really deep… the more picks we make the better the odds we actually get useful players. Nobody bats 1000 and we have a lot of places an upgrade would be great
 
madinsomniac said:
Yesterday Dulac said that of they moved up, it would be for a CB, not for Carter…
The scuttlebutt out in draftnik world is tgat Detroit really loves Carter, but so does Chicago… the current theory is that Chicago is only willing to trade down if Carter isn’t there, so I would not put too much into that idea that we are targeting Carter to move up…

Who knows.. everything might be misdirection, but lets not forget that at least twice the Steelers have targeted a top end CB in the first only to have a team jump ahead of them to get him… so it stands to reason that Dulac is right and they have a plan in place to move up to get one they love just in case ….


I say unless a real HOF type stud is there, trade down… top ten picks aren’t a sure thing and this Draft seems really deep… the more picks we make the better the odds we actually get useful players. Nobody bats 1000 and we have a lot of places an upgrade would be great
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This is what seems to make the most sense, if we trade up for "that" OT or corner I'm not going to be disappointed. I'm guessing Johnson or B. Jones at tackle or Gonzales at cb. The FO may be tired of settling for their third or fourth choice at a position of need in the first round.
 
madinsomniac said:
Yesterday Dulac said that of they moved up, it would be for a CB, not for Carter…
The scuttlebutt out in draftnik world is tgat Detroit really loves Carter, but so does Chicago… the current theory is that Chicago is only willing to trade down if Carter isn’t there, so I would not put too much into that idea that we are targeting Carter to move up…

Who knows.. everything might be misdirection, but lets not forget that at least twice the Steelers have targeted a top end CB in the first only to have a team jump ahead of them to get him… so it stands to reason that Dulac is right and they have a plan in place to move up to get one they love just in case ….


I say unless a real HOF type stud is there, trade down… top ten picks aren’t a sure thing and this Draft seems really deep… the more picks we make the better the odds we actually get useful players. Nobody bats 1000 and we have a lot of places an upgrade would be great
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Basically all the scouting reports in this draft have the cornerbacks as a CB2, which really just means they don't believe there is an All-Pro shutdown cornerback in this draft. There is a lot of good talent in this draft, just not elite talent. I agree to hold on or move down if the board doesn't fall their way. I can't say I'm in love with any prospect to lose out on the extra top-50 pick.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Basically all the scouting reports in this draft have the cornerbacks as a CB2, which really just means they don't believe there is an All-Pro shutdown cornerback in this draft. There is a lot of good talent in this draft, just not elite talent. I agree to hold on or move down if the board doesn't fall their way. I can't say I'm in love with any prospect to lose out on the extra top-50 pick.
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I think there is a few potential all pro corners. But I prefer not to trade up to roll the dice. I think the only trade up should be for a LT. Saying that I prefer to stand pat and build the team. Usually don't have the luxury of having that extra pick. I hope they use them.
 
slashsteel said:
I think there is a few potential all pro corners. But I prefer not to trade up to roll the dice. I think the only trade up should be for a LT. Saying that I prefer to stand pat and build the team. Usually don't have the luxury of having that extra pick. I hope they use them.
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Yep. They aren't one player away and with how they've been drafting, four picks inside the top 100 could yield four starters very early in their careers.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Yep. They aren't one player away and with how they've been drafting, four picks inside the top 100 could yield four starters very early in their careers.
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That's the thing, it would be great to add the players but to compete for the conference championship there needs to be a plan to accomplish it and it's probably going to take more than one off season. They definitely are more than a player away but there are certain positions that are more important than others and the pay scale mirrors it.

Kansas City learned against Tampa, Cincinnati and Buffalo do not have dominant OLs and have suffered. KC rebuilt their ol and the Eagles and 49ers invested in theirs. If there's a left tackle who warrants the move then make it.

The second piece in the Steelers' rebuild is corner. Many of the shut down corners over the years have been taken out of the top ten and just as many late in the first or later rounds. I think it's the second most difficult position to evaluate after QB. You may be right in not moving up for a corner, it's a good group and I agree with slash that a few will be great additions, I think Gonzales is the best bet but I'll fell more comfortable with the left OT.
 
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KStilley said:
That's the thing, it would be great to add the players but to compete for the conference championship there needs to be a plan to accomplish it and it's probably going to take more than one off season. They definitely are more than a player away but there are certain positions that are more important than others and the pay scale mirrors it.

Kansas City learned against Tampa, Cincinnati and Buffalo do not have dominant OLs and have suffered. KC rebuilt their ol and the Eagles and 49ers invested in theirs. If there's a left tackle who warrants the move then make it.

The second piece in the Steelers' rebuild is corner. Many of the shut down corners over the years have been taken out of the top ten and just as many late in the first or later rounds. I think it's the second most difficult position to evaluate after QB. You may be right in not moving up for a corner, it's a good group and I agree with slash that a few will be great additions, I think Gonzales is the best bet but I'll fell more comfortable with the left OT.
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Good thing is they have that extra pick and it is almost like having an extra 1 minus the 5th year option. How deep this draft is at corner they should be able to come away with a T and CB.. rd 1-2. Which one takes first billing depends on how froggy they are for a LT (moving up if they don't have to give up too much) and who is available if they don't. I think their BPA approach will be taking the LT if available, if not then CB and RT in 2.
 
Also, if teams come away from day 1 looking for more, we have the 1st pick on day 2. We might just get calls to trade for that pick. If so, we can ask for very good to great players in trade. It's a high pick.

My 1st choice is to hold where we are. There will still be high impact players around for our 3 picks in the top 50.
 
Superman said:
Carter would be a nice addition to a DL that has seen tremendous gain this off-season.

that said, a better get would be Broderick Jones to protect last year's #1 pick.
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Carter or Jones would be an excellent pick, imho...if available, of course.
 
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