Trade with Seahawks

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

grimble and gentry musta got caught buggering each other in the showers

 

[bermudasteel]

So everything that can be measured James is better but everything that can't be measured and can't be quantified says Vannett is better? Interesting.

Have you watched his game tape? I went back and did that last night. Vannett blocks better and gets open better. Those aren't on a stat sheet.

We all have opinions and I respect yours.

I welcome any help this kid brings to the field to help Rudy this season...

 

[Vader]

for ***** and giggles, our 5th round pick this year, a high 5th round pick at that, was Gentry.

let that sink in before you continue bitching about trading this pick.

The Steelers can't draft DBs so they should never draft DBs ever again? That way of thinking is just wrong. You can also use 5th round picks to move up.

 

[skline00]

Despite Gary Dulac's position, I think Vance McDonald has a more serious injury for them to act this quick. No Roosevelt Nix really hurts.

This team better play like there's no tomorrow Monday night because if they lose again there will be no tomorrow.

We need Shane Falco and the replacements!

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

This was a great move. They needed a 2nd TE that could block and play immediately. Grimble is just a big WR. If they didn’t get a TE then they would have to start using an OT at TE. I think they may still do that in short yardage.

The run game is struggling. This was a huge need and a modest price.

 

[bermudasteel]

This was a great move. They needed a 2nd TE that could block and play immediately. Grimble is just a big WR. If they didn’t get a TE then they would have to start using an OT at TE. I think they may still do that in short yardage.

The run game is struggling. This was a huge need and a modest price.

Exactly...

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Despite Gary Dulac's position, I think Vance McDonald has a more serious injury for them to act this quick. No Roosevelt Nix really hurts.

Even with a healthy McDonald, this was needed. Grimble and Gentry are near useless as inline blockers.

For whatever reason, the steelers seem to love Grimble and gave him every opportunity to prove himself. They put a lot on Grimble to not bring in a free agent TE or draft a TE with a high pick. My guess is they finally saw enough. Grimble is a #3 TE who can be an OK receiver but not much else.

Vannett is no no superstar but he’s solid. He’s a clear upgrade as a blocker and could actually allow Grimble to maybe be used more as a WR which could be needed if the WRs not named JuJu continue to struggle.

 

[Vader]

Have you watched his game tape? I went back and did that last night. Vannett blocks better and gets open better. Those aren't on a stat sheet.

We all have opinions and I respect yours.

I welcome any help this kid brings to the field to help Rudy this season...

Not sure how you quantify gets open better but ok. He wasn't open enough for Wilson to throw many pass to. One signed a large contract after his rookie deal the other is being traded 2 round lower than he was drafted. Like I said it isn't that big of an issue. It just looks like the team is in free fall. The problem is that those draft picks add up. Next spring if NV just leaves people will be complaining that the Steelers have almost no draft picks.

 

[Tibs]

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nick Vannett will wear No. 88 for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Steelers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Steelers</a>.</p>— Missi Matthews (@missi_matthews) <a href="https://twitter.com/missi_matthews/status/1176915632270520320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

 

[TDX27]

Vannett still has good upside that hasn't been explored yet due to his previous injuries. He is healthy now. We knew what we had with Jesse and that was an average TE. Most people on here wanted Jesse gone until he was. Now, everyone is in love with him. You all do know a rookie for Detroit will pass him on their TE chart before the end of the year. The only bad thing in this deal is it will take Vannett until next year to get up to speed just like Vance and others. For some reason, players that come in on O and D almost never play well until the next season (but we can't blame that on the coaches). Fitzpatrick may be one anomaly there and let's hope Vannett is as well. We sure could use a 2nd (or 1st TE when Vance is injured and we know that happens often) TE that can block and run out and catch the ball.

 

[Spike]

ha ha

Did u hear Tomlin's press conference?


Rosie Nix (knee) still OUT this week

Questionable: Anthony Chickillo, Vance McDonald, Xavier Grimble, Vince Williams
.
Haden will be limited in practice but probable for Sunday


We in WIN AT ALL COSTS MODE, trading away draft picks like candy to cover up for poor drafting

Coach seemed annoyed when was asked how the team is juggling the 2019 season with the future.

“I don’t know if there’s anything we’re juggling. We’re singularly focused on Monday night and winning this football game.”


Tomlin on his defense saying they need to be better against the run:

"They should be angry because of the quality of their performance in that area." Said "the pile fell forward too often."


WELL NO ****, GET A TRUE NT for obvious running plays and the goalline! These stand-up dancing bears get bowled over and knocked on their ***** every run up the middle

 

[steelcan58]

WELL NO ****, GET A TRUE NT for obvious running plays and the goalline! These stand-up dancing bears get bowled over and knocked on their ***** every run up the middle

You can't play a decent 3-4 without a true NT, but we keep trying. You also can't win with a complete moron as HC, but we keep trying that too.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I disagree that these are win now trades. Yes, they are obviously immediate needs but Minkah and Vannett also both fill long term needs. The need of a playmaker DB is obvious. A 2nd TE that could block would be a big need for next year as well. They would either have to sign a free agent or draft a TE.

The college game has changed. It is now very hard to find a TE that can actually block. JJ was only a mediocre blocker when drafted but that still put him over most in the draft. Same with Vannett. He’s not Mark Bruener out there but he’s solid and that is very hard to find in the draft.

 

[Vader]

I disagree that these are win now trades. Yes, they are obviously immediate needs but Minkah and Vannett also both fill long term needs. The need of a playmaker DB is obvious. A 2nd TE that could block would be a big need for next year as well. They would either have to sign a free agent or draft a TE.

The college game has changed. It is now very hard to find a TE that can actually block. JJ was only a mediocre blocker when drafted but that still put him over most in the draft. Same with Vannett. He’s not Mark Bruener out there but he’s solid and that is very hard to find in the draft.

There is no way you can say Vannett fills a long term need when he isn't signed past this year and you have no idea if he even wants to stay. He went from a 2-1 team to a team they just beat and is 0-3. He might not want to be here.

Also the college game may have changed but they are still blocking TEs especially in the big 10. I'm an SEC guy but I can see the talented TEs in the big 10. They are not going away.

 

[deljzc]

I disagree that these are win now trades. Yes, they are obviously immediate needs but Minkah and Vannett also both fill long term needs. The need of a playmaker DB is obvious. A 2nd TE that could block would be a big need for next year as well. They would either have to sign a free agent or draft a TE.

The college game has changed. It is now very hard to find a TE that can actually block. JJ was only a mediocre blocker when drafted but that still put him over most in the draft. Same with Vannett. He’s not Mark Bruener out there but he’s solid and that is very hard to find in the draft.

Yeah, I might agree with all that but Vannett will be a free agent and we could have gotten him FREE for 2020 by signing him then.

We spent a 5th round pick for 13 games of a backup, blocking TE. And those 13 games arguably don't matter after starting 0-3 and losing your starting QB for the season.

If you want to think about 2020, fine. Let's think about 2020 (which now has 1 less draft pick). We could have invested more in free agency in 2019 for the TE position. It wasn't like how thin we were there was a secret. We talked about it on this board numerous times during August.

Both of those options (doing more this past summer or doing more next summer) are arguably BETTER options than worrying about right now.

 

[Superman]

The Steelers can't draft DBs so they should never draft DBs ever again? That way of thinking is just wrong. You can also use 5th round picks to move up.

Gentry is a TE, not a DB. I know you know that, just pointing it out.

My point is - we don't often get production out of a 5th round pick. Case in point, our current only healthy TE (drafted in the 5th round) prior to this trade is why this trade was facilitated.

 

[Sarge]

I would be more optimistic if they could have pried Gesicki out of Miami. That would have been nice.

 

[Superman]

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nick Vannett will wear No. 88 for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Steelers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Steelers</a>.</p>— Missi Matthews (@missi_matthews) <a href="https://twitter.com/missi_matthews/status/1176915632270520320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

 

[Vader]

Gentry is a TE, not a DB. I know you know that, just pointing it out.

My point is - we don't often get production out of a 5th round pick. Case in point, our current only healthy TE (drafted in the 5th round) prior to this trade is why this trade was facilitated.

I was just pointing out that just because something isn't working right now doesn't mean it's not worth ever doing again. Most 5th rounders don't work out... for any team. But that doesn't mean you can't find a gem or a solid backup at times. It's worth the shot. When you trade your draft picks you have no chance at moving up or finding those gems.

 

[Superman]

I see what you're saying, Vader. I just don't think it's that valuable of a draft pick in exchange for a proven commodity (albeit in limited snaps)

Tomlin's 5th Round Drafts:
2007 - Cameron Stephenson, William Gay
2008 - Dennis Dixon
2009 - Joe Burnett, Frank Summers
2010 - Chris Scott, Crezdon Butler, Stevenson Sylvester
2011 - Chris Carter, Keith Williams
2012 - Chris Rainey
2013 - Terry Hawthorne
2014 - Shaq Richardson, Wesley Johnson
2015 - Jesse James
2016 - No pick
2017 - Brian Allen, Colin Holba
2018 - Marcus Allen, Jaylen Samuels
2019 - Zach Gentry

Three out of Twenty, or a decent player 15% of the time. The other 85% of the time, a waste of time.

 

[Spike]

You can't play a decent 3-4 without a true NT, but we keep trying. You also can't win with a complete moron as HC, but we keep trying that too.

All these brazen, desperate front office moves come down to ONE GAME

THE GAME OF THE CENTURY


TWO 0-3 TEAMS ON THE NATIONAL STAGE

SUPERBOWL MONDAY NIGHT!


When did the Steelers last start 0-4 you ask?


1968


The team hired Chuck Noll in 1969

 

[wig]

So what do they have left in next years draft, ....a 2nd and a 7th??

That ought to be enough for Ricky Williams today.

Call Ditka!

 

[Vader]

I see what you're saying, Vader. I just don't think it's that valuable of a draft pick in exchange for a proven commodity (albeit in limited snaps)

Tomlin's 5th Round Drafts:
2007 - Cameron Stephenson, William Gay
2008 - Dennis Dixon
2009 - Joe Burnett, Frank Summers
2010 - Chris Scott, Crezdon Butler, Stevenson Sylvester
2011 - Chris Carter, Keith Williams
2012 - Chris Rainey
2013 - Terry Hawthorne
2014 - Shaq Richardson, Wesley Johnson
2015 - Jesse James
2016 - No pick
2017 - Brian Allen, Colin Holba
2018 - Marcus Allen, Jaylen Samuels
2019 - Zach Gentry

Three out of Twenty, or a decent player 15% of the time. The other 85% of the time, a waste of time.

The problem is that you don't know when the 15% comes into play. You can't win if you don't play. BTW in 2016 when we didn't have a 5th pick the Steelers traded for Brandon Boykin. How well did he do? Like I said. It's not a big deal but it still makes moving up and finding gems later on more difficult.

 

[TDX27]

Big Snack II

 

[Coryea]

You can't play a decent 3-4 without a true NT, but we keep trying. You also can't win with a complete moron as HC, but we keep trying that too.

A true NT won't help, because the moron in charge won't play 3 Dlinemen hardly ever, it's always 2 Dlinemen.