Trump - Make America Great Again!

[Steeltime]

Add to that she'll appoint progressive justices, defend Obamacare (at least until it's replaced by an improvement instead of repealing it and leaving a void which is one of the stupidest ideas anyone can suggest - why isn't any republican saying they want to replace obamacare - because they have no actual idea). All of these reasons apply to her as against any republican. The specter of a Trump presidency is a whole other matter.

Are you being serious with this comment? Supreme Court justices and Obamacare?

So deciding when and where to use military force, what trade agreements to enact and reject, decisions on immigration and who can come to our nation, Federal spending, the Federal deficit and debt, EPA regulations on energy production, regulations governing fracking, regulations on commerce and banking and energy and travel, the Fed's interest rate approach, managing the burgeoning debt connected to Medicare and social security, continued intervention in local policing and schooling, and on and on ... those are not worthy of concern?

Look, I don't intend on voting for Trump. Sorry. Just can't do it. But pretending a fraudulent, lying, self-serving, scumbag, criminal professional political hack is good for the nation is just absurd.

 

[Steeltime]

BREAKING: Congressman DEMANDS Secret Service Investigate Trump’s Death Threat To Hillary
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/08...e-investigate-trumps-death-threat-to-hillary/

Uhhhh, okay. Yeah, that's a good use of resources.

Oh, and news alert, Tibs. You know that corrupt political system that you railed against and that led you to support Bernie?

Hillary is Jabba the Clinton of that system. She is one of the most corrupt, bought-and-paid-for, lying, low-life political hacks ever to walk the earth.

Finally, in my humble opinion, if every member of Congress, the President, and the Vice President simply disappeared tomorrow, and were replaced with 537 names of citizens of this country drawn at random, I think we would be better off. *

* Acknowledgement to the great Bill Buckley, who once said, "I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University."

 

[ark steel]

Are you being serious with this comment? Supreme Court justices and Obamacare?

So deciding when and where to use military force, what trade agreements to enact and reject, decisions on immigration and who can come to our nation, Federal spending, the Federal deficit and debt, EPA regulations on energy production, regulations governing fracking, regulations on commerce and banking and energy and travel, the Fed's interest rate approach, managing the burgeoning debt connected to Medicare and social security, continued intervention in local policing and schooling, and on and on ... those are not worthy of concern?

Look, I don't intend on voting for Trump. Sorry. Just can't do it. But pretending a fraudulent, lying, self-serving, scumbag, criminal professional political hack is good for the nation is just absurd.

Well, it does show how intellectually dishonest they are, so, there is that.

 

[Vis]

Are you being serious with this comment? Supreme Court justices and Obamacare?

So deciding when and where to use military force, what trade agreements to enact and reject, decisions on immigration and who can come to our nation, Federal spending, the Federal deficit and debt, EPA regulations on energy production, regulations governing fracking, regulations on commerce and banking and energy and travel, the Fed's interest rate approach, managing the burgeoning debt connected to Medicare and social security, continued intervention in local policing and schooling, and on and on ... those are not worthy of concern?
.

If the dems get control of congress too, we can make progress on those issues. Stop fracking, free trade I hope, stop the banks from causing another collapse through greed, end the theft from SS to pay for other programs, encourage green tech, etc... Just get the GOP out of the way.

 

[Tibs]

If the dems get control of congress too, we can make progress on those issues

One can only hope. In a way Donald Trump may be doing the whole country a favor my making sure the GOP will lose both the House and the Senate. At the rate he's going, I'm starting to think that may actually happen. Thank you Donald Trump, and your supporters, for ensuring a strong Democratic/Liberal/Progressive resurgence can take place across the country. Muchas Gracias.

 

[Superman]

If the dems get control of congress too, we can make progress on those issues. Stop fracking, free trade I hope, stop the banks from causing another collapse through greed, end the theft from SS to pay for other programs, encourage green tech, etc... Just get the GOP out of the way.

with Shillary leading the way?!!?
are you ******* kidding me and everyone else on this board?

the one true bought and paid for candidate?

 

[Vis]

with Shillary leading the way?!!?
are you ******* kidding me and everyone else on this board?

the one true bought and paid for candidate?

I'm sorry, are you for more banking regs?

 

[ark steel]

SS to pay for other programs,


LOL.....eye roll knee

 

[Superman]

did i say that?
did i?

i'm questioning your sanity and ability to comprehend that a candidate who is essentially on the payroll of numerous Wall Street banking and financial firms is NOT going to do what you believe she will. Not even close. Why do you think she's getting MILLIONS from them? to turn around and start a fight with them?

are you that dense?

 

[Vis]

did i say that?
did i?

i'm questioning your sanity and ability to comprehend that a candidate who is essentially on the payroll of numerous Wall Street banking and financial firms is NOT going to do what you believe she will. Not even close. Why do you think she's getting MILLIONS from them? to turn around and start a fight with them?

are you that dense?

Require full disclosure about subprime mortgages.

Clinton co-sponsored requiring full disclosure about subprime mortgages
Sen. DODD: Today we are facing a crisis in the mortgage markets on a scale that has not been seen since the Great Depression: over 2 million homeowners face foreclosure at a loss of over $160 billion in hard-earned home equity; over one out of every 5 subprime loans is currently delinquent. These high default rates have frozen the subprime and jumbo mortgage markets and infected the capital markets to the point where central banks around the world have had to inject liquidity into the system to avoid the crisis from spreading to other segments of the market.
One of the fundamental causes of this serious crisis is abusive and predatory subprime mortgage lending. The Homeownership Preservation and Protection Act of 2007 is designed to protect American homeowners from these practices, and prevent this disaster from happening again. The legislation will:
realign the interests of the mortgage industry with borrowers to insure the availability of mortgage capital on fair terms both for the creation and sustainability of homeownership;
establish new lending standards to ensure that loans are affordable and fair, and
provide for adequate remedies to make sure the standards are met; and create a transparent set of rules for the mortgage industry so that capital can safely return to the market without bad lending practices driving out the good.
It is important to keep in mind that only about 10% of subprime mortgages have been made to first time home buyers. This market has not been primarily about creating a new set of homeowners; a majority of subprime loans have been refinances. While maintaining access to subprime credit on fair terms is important, too much of the subprime market has actually put the homes and home equity of American families at risk.
In the coming months, the housing crisis is going to get worse. We will need to continue to press lenders and servicers to provide real relief for homeowners threatened with foreclosure.
Source: Homeownership Preservation and Protection Act (S.2452 ) 2007-S2452 on Dec 12, 2007
Reform mortgage rules to prevent foreclosure & bankruptcy.

Clinton co-sponsored reforming mortgage rules to prevent foreclosure & bankruptcy
Foreclosure Prevention Act of 2008 - refinance mortgages originally financed through a qualified subprime loan.
Makes FY2008 appropriations for emergency needs of states and local governments to redevelop abandoned and foreclosed homes; and the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation for foreclosure mitigation activities.
Helping Families Save Their Homes in Bankruptcy Act of 2008 - Authorizes a bankruptcy plan for individuals with regular income to provide for payment of such claim for a period of up to 30 years. Creates a principal residence homestead exemption for debtors over 55 years of age.
Mortgage Disclosure Improvement Act of 2008 - Amends the Truth in Lending Act to set forth additional disclosure requirements governing any extensions of credit (not only mortgages) secured by the dwelling of a consumer.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Budget_+_Economy.htm

 

[Superman]

interesting. could you trace back to when this housing difficulty began?

 

[Steeltime]

If the dems get control of congress too, we can make progress on those issues. Stop fracking, free trade I hope, stop the banks from causing another collapse through greed, end the theft from SS to pay for other programs, encourage green tech, etc... Just get the GOP out of the way.

Like the economic success of Greece? And France? And Spain? You know, those other developed nations which implemented green energy and generous taxpayer funded benefit programs.

Like those nations, you mean? Except with the added benefit of 12 million uneducated, low-skilled illegal immigrants. Your and the Democrat's program is this:

Massive taxes, massive immigration of the lowest-skilled labor on earth, massive government spending
?
Profit!!

 

[Supersteeler]

Finally, in my humble opinion, if every member of Congress, the President, and the Vice President simply disappeared tomorrow, and were replaced with 537 names of citizens of this country drawn at random, I think we would be better off. *

I absolutely think that is fact. The complete phonies in charge have no loyalty or interest in the well being of the American people. They are in those jobs so they can afford mansions and yachts on their "meager politicians salaries". Ever wonder how politicians can support lifestyles many times more extravagant than their job salaries would indicate? Gives you incite into the reason they got into it in the first place.

 

[Vis]

Like the economic success of Greece? And France? And Spain? You know, those other developed nations which implemented green energy and generous taxpayer funded benefit programs.

Like those nations, you mean? Except with the added benefit of 12 million uneducated, low-skilled illegal immigrants. Your and the Democrat's program is this:

Massive taxes, massive immigration of the lowest-skilled labor on earth, massive government spending
?
Profit!!

Are you joking?

 

[Sarge]

Are you joking?

I think a 20 trillion dollar debt says it's not a joke.

 

[Vis]

I think a 20 trillion dollar debt says it's not a joke.

I think not understanding the EU is

 

[Steeltime]

Are you joking?

That is the Hillary plan. She has made clear that massive tax increases and massive government spending are her recommendations for prosperity (from her web site, by the way):

• Help women enter the workforce by requiring companies to pay for family leave. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $35 billion a year to refinance student debt and pay states to guarantee tuition. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $27.5 billion annually to improve roads, bridges, public transit, rail, airports, the Internet, and water systems. In other words, more government spending. [Wait, I thought Bammy's trillion dollar stimulus took care of infrastructure with all those "shovel ready" jobs. Are you saying Bammy lied to me?!?!?
• Expand Childcare Plan and the Early Education Plan by spending $27.5 billion a year for states to make preschool available to all 4-year-olds and expand Early Head Start. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $16.6 billion a year to identify and treat children with disabilities. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $9 billion annually to repair oil pipelines, reduce carbon emissions, and fund health and retirements for coal workers. In other words, more government spending.
• Increase Federal spending for "green energy," because of course those efficient ************* cannot pay for themselves. In other words, more government spending.
• Raise short-term capital gains taxes for those earning $400,000 or more a year, the top 0.5% of taxpayers. Investments held between one and two years would be taxed at the maximum income-tax rate of 39.6%. Assets held for longer would be taxed on a sliding scale, such as 36% for those held 2-3 years, 32% for those held three to four years, and 20% (the current rate) for those held for six years or more. In other words, raise taxes.
• Raise income taxes by 10% on incomes greater than $5 million a year. In other words, raise taxes.
• Mandate a minimum 30% tax rate for earning $1 million a year. In other words, raise taxes.
• Impose a "risk fee" levied on all banks with more than $50 billion in assets. In other words, raise taxes.
• Tax high-frequency traders. In other words, raise taxes.

Tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.

But hey, unlike every other ************* tax-and-spend failure in the history of the planet - every ******* time it fails - this time, goddammit, it will work.

Just like Bammy's amazing "recovery."

Maybe you should research the **** you are voting for.

 

[Vis]

That is the Hillary plan. She has made clear that massive tax increases and massive government spending are her recommendations for prosperity (from her web site, by the way):

• Help women enter the workforce by requiring companies to pay for family leave. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $35 billion a year to refinance student debt and pay states to guarantee tuition. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $27.5 billion annually to improve roads, bridges, public transit, rail, airports, the Internet, and water systems. In other words, more government spending. [Wait, I thought Bammy's trillion dollar stimulus took care of infrastructure with all those "shovel ready" jobs. Are you saying Bammy lied to me?!?!?
• Expand Childcare Plan and the Early Education Plan by spending $27.5 billion a year for states to make preschool available to all 4-year-olds and expand Early Head Start. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $16.6 billion a year to identify and treat children with disabilities. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $9 billion annually to repair oil pipelines, reduce carbon emissions, and fund health and retirements for coal workers. In other words, more government spending.
• Increase Federal spending for "green energy," because of course those efficient ************* cannot pay for themselves. In other words, more government spending.
• Raise short-term capital gains taxes for those earning $400,000 or more a year, the top 0.5% of taxpayers. Investments held between one and two years would be taxed at the maximum income-tax rate of 39.6%. Assets held for longer would be taxed on a sliding scale, such as 36% for those held 2-3 years, 32% for those held three to four years, and 20% (the current rate) for those held for six years or more. In other words, raise taxes.
• Raise income taxes by 10% on incomes greater than $5 million a year. In other words, raise taxes.
• Mandate a minimum 30% tax rate for earning $1 million a year. In other words, raise taxes.
• Impose a "risk fee" levied on all banks with more than $50 billion in assets. In other words, raise taxes.
• Tax high-frequency traders. In other words, raise taxes.

Tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.

But hey, unlike every other ************* tax-and-spend failure in the history of the planet - every ******* time it fails - this time, goddammit, it will work.

Just like Bammy's amazing "recovery."

Maybe you should research the **** you are voting for.

This is traditional GOP vs Dem arguing. This is what we miss because of crazy Trump ******* up the usual narratives with off the cuff bullshit.

 

[Steeltime]

This is traditional GOP vs Dem arguing. This is what we miss because of crazy Trump ******* up the usual narratives with off the cuff bullshit.

Vis:

I did not make up Hillary's proposals. Those are directly from her web site (which I refuse to link - **** that corrupt skank). When I state that her model is the tired, worn-out, failed "tax and spend," I am making an accurate statement.

I note you do not disagree with my statement that Hillary has proposed all of the above. I only hope and pray that gridlock prevails, and we don't spend another $200 billion (if the **** costs as much as projected, and hey, government spending NEVER ******* GOES OVER BUDGET, RIGHT???) on the collection of horseshit that she proposes.

 

[Superman]

attorneys arguing.
which means someone is getting ******.

 

[ark steel]

That is the Hillary plan. She has made clear that massive tax increases and massive government spending are her recommendations for prosperity (from her web site, by the way):

• Help women enter the workforce by requiring companies to pay for family leave. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $35 billion a year to refinance student debt and pay states to guarantee tuition. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $27.5 billion annually to improve roads, bridges, public transit, rail, airports, the Internet, and water systems. In other words, more government spending. [Wait, I thought Bammy's trillion dollar stimulus took care of infrastructure with all those "shovel ready" jobs. Are you saying Bammy lied to me?!?!?
• Expand Childcare Plan and the Early Education Plan by spending $27.5 billion a year for states to make preschool available to all 4-year-olds and expand Early Head Start. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $16.6 billion a year to identify and treat children with disabilities. In other words, more government spending.
• Spend $9 billion annually to repair oil pipelines, reduce carbon emissions, and fund health and retirements for coal workers. In other words, more government spending.
• Increase Federal spending for "green energy," because of course those efficient ************* cannot pay for themselves. In other words, more government spending.
• Raise short-term capital gains taxes for those earning $400,000 or more a year, the top 0.5% of taxpayers. Investments held between one and two years would be taxed at the maximum income-tax rate of 39.6%. Assets held for longer would be taxed on a sliding scale, such as 36% for those held 2-3 years, 32% for those held three to four years, and 20% (the current rate) for those held for six years or more. In other words, raise taxes.
• Raise income taxes by 10% on incomes greater than $5 million a year. In other words, raise taxes.
• Mandate a minimum 30% tax rate for earning $1 million a year. In other words, raise taxes.
• Impose a "risk fee" levied on all banks with more than $50 billion in assets. In other words, raise taxes.
• Tax high-frequency traders. In other words, raise taxes.

Tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, tax, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend, spend.

But hey, unlike every other ************* tax-and-spend failure in the history of the planet - every ******* time it fails - this time, goddammit, it will work.

Just like Bammy's amazing "recovery."

Maybe you should research the **** you are voting for.

The cool thing is that "if" (i.e. WHEN), the MSM will cover for her and the "solution" is that you didn't spend enough!

 

[Vis]

Vis:

I did not make up Hillary's proposals. Those are directly from her web site (which I refuse to link - **** that corrupt skank). When I state that her model is the tired, worn-out, failed "tax and spend," I am making an accurate statement.

I note you do not disagree with my statement that Hillary has proposed all of the above. I only hope and pray that gridlock prevails, and we don't spend another $200 billion (if the **** costs as much as projected, and hey, government spending NEVER ******* GOES OVER BUDGET, RIGHT???) on the collection of horseshit that she proposes.

I disagree with a lot of what you posted. Especially the idea that company benefits are government spending. But this is off topic in a Trump thread. There has to be a different place for me to post all the stats showing the economy going up under dems and down under reps. I'm sure you've seen them.

 

[21STEELERS21]

Looks more like a tax the wealthy and invest in the future plan.

Can't stay competitive in the world economy unless we properly educate everyone and have the infrastructure to sustain
a leading economy. If red states had properly invested in quality education for all, the blue state tax payers wouldn't be
carrying over 75% of the federal tax burden.

Intelligent investing can lead to lower taxes in the long run and greater wealth overall.

 

[Steeltime]

I disagree with a lot of what you posted. Especially the idea that company benefits are government spending.

You are referring to leave time, I presume, as the rest are all direct government spending. Let me respond.

In college, I studied Economics, and the effect of government mandates on private businesses. What economists have learned is that these mandates on private business result in substantial government (taxpayer) expense, almost universally much higher than projected. Here's why.

First, the proposal will affect employers with more than "x" employees. Companies with "x" plus 1 employees will reduce the workforce by 2 employees. Those companies are there to make money, so they basically don't give a **** that doing so is a hardship to the two employees. Those two employees will then need and very likely seek government assistance, in the form of EDD assistance. Additionally, the geniuses who run government never account for the fact that this company now has two less individuals paying taxes and having the employer match the withholding, and social security, and on and on. Multiply that by thousands, or more likely tens of thousands, of workers.

Second, employers will dispute the right to such leave time, or the amount of time off, and the employers and employees will need a venue to handle such disputes. Guess who provides that? Yep, a government agency set up to handle leave disputes, staffed by a government-paid fact-finder, government paid support staff, in a government-paid building, heated and cooled with government-paid utilities.

Third, as always happens when you make business more expensive in America, some companies subject to the leave requirement just say, "**** you" and move their **** to Mexico or China. How many thousands of taxpayers are now paying nothing? And the employer matching, and on and on.

Therefore, when government issues some ******* edict that "businesses must pay for this and that," the inevitable, guaranteed consequence is more government spending and less tax revenue.

And the rest of the list is simply government spending, so you can "disagree with what [Hillary] said" all you want ... and you will be wrong in the process.

 

[Vis]

You are referring to leave time, I presume, as the rest are all direct government spending. Let me respond.

In college, I studied Economics, and the effect of government mandates on private businesses. What economists have learned is that these mandates on private business result in substantial government (taxpayer) expense, almost universally much higher than projected. Here's why.

First, the proposal will affect employers with more than "x" employees. Companies with "x" plus 1 employees will reduce the workforce by 2 employees. Those companies are there to make money, so they basically don't give a **** that doing so is a hardship to the two employees. Those two employees will then need and very likely seek government assistance, in the form of EDD assistance. Additionally, the geniuses who run government never account for the fact that this company now has two less individuals paying taxes and having the employer match the withholding, and social security, and on and on. Multiply that by thousands, or more likely tens of thousands, of workers.

Second, employers will dispute the right to such leave time, or the amount of time off, and the employers and employees will need a venue to handle such disputes. Guess who provides that? Yep, a government agency set up to handle leave disputes, staffed by a government-paid fact-finder, government paid support staff, in a government-paid building, heated and cooled with government-paid utilities.

Third, as always happens when you make business more expensive in America, some companies subject to the leave requirement just say, "**** you" and move their **** to Mexico or China. How many thousands of taxpayers are now paying nothing? And the employer matching, and on and on.

Therefore, when government issues some ******* edict that "businesses must pay for this and that," the inevitable, guaranteed consequence is more government spending and less tax revenue.

And the rest of the list is simply government spending, so you can "disagree with what [Hillary] said" all you want ... and you will be wrong in the process.

So without the family leave, when people are out and walmart just fires them so they go the gov't dole, that's better? Why does the gov't have to subsidize cheap employers?

It's like the education argument. Germany gives free college because maximizing the potential of it's citizens makes them stronger as a nation. Should kids have to work for their education? Yes, but that work should be working to qualify, not to pay. Everyone shouldn't go to college but everyone with the ability should. It will make the country richer. It will make us more competitive. We waste our workforce resources if we under-educate our kids. Companies have to import graduates, especially in the sciences.