Trump to reverse Obama-Era use of race in college admissions

[Coach]

Not sure how I feel about this one. I mean, if you are using race to accept or deny college admissions ONLY in the name of diversity, then it is wrong, wrong, wrong. And using the Justice department to issue "guidance" to skirt making laws is just as wrong. However, racial discrimination in college admissions probably exists (I don't know for sure, I don't work in college admissions nor do I know anyone who works in college admissions), so there has to be something that prevents that, and I think affirmative action laws should cover that. But again, I don't know. I guess I need more information, so I will research and see what I can learn. Just thought this to be an interesting topic for discussion.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/03/politics/trump-administration-college-admissions/index.html

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Martin Luther King, Jr.

We could we use this man now. When he marched there were American flags everywhere. Of course, Dr. King was a Republican.

Dr. King is correct. Judge an applicant by his or her character and performance, not by the color of their skin, gender or ethnicity.

If a private fund wants to pay for a certain group of people, that's fine, just don't give them admission over another person.

The Higher education world is a place where professors get away harassment, conservative or religious students’ needs to keep their mouths shut, or risk a lower grade, and the left plays racial politics with the voters.

I hope one day a student sues for having his or her political or religious freedom threated by a college professor, and the Supreme Court sets these smug professors straight.

 

[Vader]

I guess if I said Yacht purchases skew to the wealthy, one of you would say, "but I know a school janitor that owns one".

It's frustrating talking with someone who can't tell the difference between buying power (yacht) and generational wealth (Entrenched wealthy). You don't even know that your UK article said nothing about the movement between economic strata but rather wealth in a single snap shot. To put it where even you can understand it: Nobody is saying the wealthy don't send their children to better school or that they can become doctors. But the "wealth" aren't the same static people you think they are at any given time.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I guess if I said Yacht purchases skew to the wealthy, one of you would say, "but I know a school janitor that owns one".

How did Bush 41's luxury tax on yachts work out for the people who built and sold yachts?

 

[CharlesDavenport]

MLK actually argued for what we would call affirmative action/reparations.

 

[oneforthebus]

I guess if I said Yacht purchases skew to the wealthy, one of you would say, "but I know a school janitor that owns one".

Probably not, because poor people cannot get scholarships grants and loans to buy yachts, funded by wealthy people.

And yes, there are some things only very rich people can afford. Education is not one of them, but is there something wrong with that? Are you going to start arguing that it's not fair that Mark Zuckerberg can buy a yacht but a janitor can't?

 

[oneforthebus]

I'm really not sure what 21 wants us to do. College education is already funded on almost pure socialism now...if you're poor you pay little or nothing. If you're rich (or even marginally well off) you pay out the wazoo to make up for all the people who can't afford it. We've lowered the academic requirements for certain minorities and the poor.

What more exactly can we do? Pay people to go to college? Let them into college even if they didn't graduate high school or are illiterate? How much more of a helping hand can we give people?

 

[deljzc]

I'm really not sure what 21 wants us to do. College education is already funded on almost pure socialism now...if you're poor you pay little or nothing. If you're rich (or even marginally well off) you pay out the wazoo to make up for all the people who can't afford it. We've lowered the academic requirements for certain minorities and the poor.

What more exactly can we do? Pay people to go to college? Let them into college even if they didn't graduate high school or are illiterate? How much more of a helping hand can we give people?

Like everyone else on the left, they don't have answers or concrete solutions to anything (or even can debate their ideas). They only know Conservatism = Trump = Bad.... I don't even think they listen any more.

 

[Supersteeler]

I'm really not sure what 21 wants us to do. College education is already funded on almost pure socialism now...if you're poor you pay little or nothing. If you're rich (or even marginally well off) you pay out the wazoo to make up for all the people who can't afford it. We've lowered the academic requirements for certain minorities and the poor.

What more exactly can we do? Pay people to go to college? Let them into college even if they didn't graduate high school or are illiterate? How much more of a helping hand can we give people?

Come on OFTB, use your noggin'.,,,,all you have to do to make 21 and every other Liberal happy about everything is remove Trump from the WH and put another Democrat in there. POOF, all problems of the world solved in 5 minutes...it'll be like magic.

 

[deljzc]

Come on OFTB, use your noggin'.,,,,all you have to do to make 21 and every other Liberal happy about everything is remove Trump from the WH and put another Democrat in there. POOF, all problems of the world solved in 5 minutes...it'll be like magic.

And none of the left would even care or watch what was happening. That's the interesting thing about it. If they have their own, they care less about politics or policy or decisions or Supreme Court or ethics violations or family separation or immigration. They just go back to their Starbucks coffees and say "I love Mr. X in office. He's doing such a great job!"

 

[oneforthebus]

Like everyone else on the left, they don't have answers or concrete solutions to anything (or even can debate their ideas). They only know Conservatism = Trump = Bad.... I don't even think they listen any more.

Yep. Some of us even favor school choice so poor kids aren't trapped in terrible public schools and actually have a chance to succeed...

Surprise! Liberals hate that idea.

 

[Steeltime]

Geez, sensitive bunch today. In theory I agree with Sarge and others everything in life should be merit-based, skills-based, intelligence-based, social skills-based and on and on. I get it. I also feel - in general - white kids from middle and upper class families have a head start over kids from different, less comfortable and advantageous backgrounds.

The absolute, undeniable truth is this: success in academics, in upbringing, in accomplishment, and life in general has next to nothing to do with race. NOTHING. It has to do with reaching for your best possible pursuits.

And intact families show a statistically significant advantage over single-parent families and families that lack any parent. Please spare me anecdotal data about single-parent success stories. Of course many children from single-parent families succeeded and some did great.

But lacking a parent was an obstacle those children had to overcome. Denying that point is simply willful ignorance.

Further, the single-greatest predictor for poverty is not race - it's family structure:

So everybody - every one of us - needs to stop conflating single-parent and no-parent households and the very, very, VERY high possibility of poverty and academic struggles for the children in such families with race or racism.

African-American families used to be two-parent, intact families.

Now, nearly 3/4 of African-American children are born to single-parent families:

That is the absolute, undeniable, guaranteed recipe for trouble. The single-parent kids have very little male role modeling in the home, get role modeling from a lot of dubious sources, don't have the financial and emotional support of two parents, and face an obstacle from birth.

And that obstacle has nothing - NOTHING - to do with race.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Demand better from your kids and your schools instead of deriding those who aspire to be better as "traitors to the race".

 

[IndySteel]

Making your kids learn and get jobs is racist.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Demand better from your kids and your schools instead of deriding those who aspire to be better as "traitors to the race".

Also, quit demanding that your child pass everything and get A's when he/she didn't earn it. Quit trying to be inclusive to EVERYONE, and quit babying the kids.