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Alleged Nazi Labor Camp Guard Deported To Germany

August 21, 20189:10 AM ET

U.S. officials say a 95-year-old former Nazi labor camp guard named Jakiw Palij who lied about his wartime work when he immigrated to the United States has been deported to Germany.

Palij, who lived in Queens in New York City, was investigated and denaturalized more than a decade ago. His deportation was ordered in 2004. But for years, no country would take him in.

On Monday, he was sent to Germany, according to the State Department. The Department of Justice says Palij is the 68th Nazi removed from the U.S.

In a statement, the White House praised the work of administration agencies, particularly Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, in deporting Palij.

"Palij's removal sends a strong message: The United States will not tolerate those who facilitated Nazi crimes and other human rights violations, and they will not find a safe haven on American soil," press secretary Sarah Sanders said in an overnight statement.

Palij was born in Poland (present-day Ukraine), the Justice Department says, and he became a U.S. citizen in 1957.

A historian at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum served as an expert witness in Palij's case. The museum confirms that Palij was a guard at the Trawniki labor camp in German-occupied Poland, and that he was one of the men who provided the manpower to "Operation Reinhard," the plan to murder two million Jews living in Poland.

The Justice Department wrote in a statement that Palij admitted to officials that he was trained at the SS training camp in Trawniki in the spring of 1943:

"On Nov. 3, 1943, some 6,000 Jewish men, women and children incarcerated at Trawniki were shot to death in one of the largest single massacres of the Holocaust. By helping to prevent the escape of these prisoners during his service at Trawniki, Palij played an indispensable role in ensuring that they later met their tragic fate at the hands of the Nazis."

The Trawniki camp was dissolved by the Nazis in 1944, the Holocaust Museum says.

When Palij immigrated to the U.S. in 1949, he told officials he had spent the war working on a farm and in a factory.

Decades later, when he was confronted about his past, Palij told investigators that "everybody lied" on their visas, The Associated Press reports.

After his deportation was ordered, when no country agreed to take him in, Palij "continued living in limbo in the two-story, red brick home in Queens he shared with his wife, Maria, now 86," the AP writes "His continued presence there outraged the Jewish community, attracting frequent protests over the years that featured such chants as 'your neighbor is a Nazi!' "

After lengthy negotiations, Germany agreed to take him in.

Palij has been taken to a home for the elderly in Germany, Reuters reports.

"Given his age and questions over his health and also a possible lack of proof, it is unclear whether German authorities will attempt to prosecute the stateless pensioner," the wire service writes.
 
Trump will be roasted for not having done this in January 2017.
 
sorry they kicked your uncle out Supe...

ha. my stepdad's family barely escaped nazi germany.
extended family has a man who's parents were in a camp. i'd seen the identification tattoos the Nazis put on them.

**** nazis
 
As well he should be deported, but where are the liberals who say “he’s been a model citizen since he’s been here” as with illegal immigrants?
 
Did they let him take his MAGA cap with him?

Nazi is shorthand for "National Socialist German Workers' Party." So the dude would be an Ocasio-Cortez voter.

You know, but with the word "Democratic"mixed in to make it all better. "I'm not a Nazi, I'm a Democratic Nazi."
 
Nazi is shorthand for "National Socialist German Workers' Party." So the dude would be an Ocasio-Cortez voter.

You know, but with the word "Democratic"mixed in to make it all better. "I'm not a Nazi, I'm a Democratic Nazi."

Yeah...and that's funny because you've gone on several rants on socialism being dogmatically defined as " the government owning the means of production"

Yeah it's very funny because the Nazis didnt own the means of production.....neither did they take peoples private property.

So all you do here is make my point that using corrupt dictatorships, oligarchies, and totalitarian regimes as examples of socialism just because they have it in their title is intellectually dishonest.

Thanks for making it crystal clear to even the slowest and most brainwashed CONservatives here.
 
Yeah...and that's funny because you've gone on several rants on socialism being dogmatically defined as " the government owning the means of production"

Yeah it's very funny because the Nazis didnt own the means of production.....neither did they take peoples private property.

Uhhhhh, the Nazis did not steal private property and control the means of production? Really?

The looting of Polish cultural artifacts during World War II was carried out by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union side by side after the invasion of Poland of 1939. A significant portion of Poland's cultural heritage, estimated at about half a million art objects, was plundered by the occupying powers. Cataloged pieces are still occasionally recovered elsewhere and returned to Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_looting_of_Poland

Aryanization was essentially a gigantic, trans-European trafficking operation in stolen goods,” writes historian Götz Aly in Hitler’s Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State. As Nazi-occupied territory grew from Austria to Poland to more of Eastern Europe, so, too, did the number of Jewish families the Nazis could steal from. Jews had faced discrimination in Germany—and much of Europe—before the April 1938 edict, but that new law marked a turning point. One legal advisor for the Nazi Ministry of Economics deemed it the “forerunner to a complete and definitive removal of Jews from the German economy.”

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...their-wealthmaking-it-easier-steal-180968894/

You may wish to visit this site, which explains in some detail the facts behind the Nazi economy, and the fact that the Nazis (1) destroyed capitalist pillars such as free markets, free association, freedom of contract, (2) instituted overwhelming government regulation of all aspects of the economy, (3) brought about government intrusion into numerous businesses, and (4) the implementation of Nazi-run "compulsory business organizations," where businesses were forced to adhere to government edicts about production, pricing, distribution, etc. In other words, where the Nazis actually owned the businesses, or ran the businesses.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2350401?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

In short, the Nazis stole billions of dollars of private property, negated capitalism, replaced capitalized with a government-run and monopolized economy, where private businesses remained in existence at the whim of the government, and where the government actually ran a substantial part of the economy, including but not limited to food, transportation, radio, and medicine.

You may wish to update your rather troubling "Nazi fetish," elfie, and search for the truth.
 
Uhhhhh, the Nazis did not steal private property and control the means of production? Really?

The looting of Polish cultural artifacts during World War II was carried out by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union side by side after the invasion of Poland of 1939. A significant portion of Poland's cultural heritage, estimated at about half a million art objects, was plundered by the occupying powers. Cataloged pieces are still occasionally recovered elsewhere and returned to Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_looting_of_Poland

Aryanization was essentially a gigantic, trans-European trafficking operation in stolen goods,” writes historian Götz Aly in Hitler’s Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State. As Nazi-occupied territory grew from Austria to Poland to more of Eastern Europe, so, too, did the number of Jewish families the Nazis could steal from. Jews had faced discrimination in Germany—and much of Europe—before the April 1938 edict, but that new law marked a turning point. One legal advisor for the Nazi Ministry of Economics deemed it the “forerunner to a complete and definitive removal of Jews from the German economy.”

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...their-wealthmaking-it-easier-steal-180968894/

You may wish to visit this site, which explains in some detail the facts behind the Nazi economy, and the fact that the Nazis (1) destroyed capitalist pillars such as free markets, free association, freedom of contract, (2) instituted overwhelming government regulation of all aspects of the economy, (3) brought about government intrusion into numerous businesses, and (4) the implementation of Nazi-run "compulsory business organizations," where businesses were forced to adhere to government edicts about production, pricing, distribution, etc. In other words, where the Nazis actually owned the businesses, or ran the businesses.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2350401?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

In short, the Nazis stole billions of dollars of private property, negated capitalism, replaced capitalized with a government-run and monopolized economy, where private businesses remained in existence at the whim of the government, and where the government actually ran a substantial part of the economy, including but not limited to food, transportation, radio, and medicine.

You may wish to update your rather troubling "Nazi fetish," elfie, and search for the truth.


That or elfie can just ignore it and carry on as always... i know where my bet is....
 
Uhhhhh, the Nazis did not steal private property and control the means of production? Really?

The looting of Polish cultural artifacts during World War II was carried out by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union side by side after the invasion of Poland of 1939. A significant portion of Poland's cultural heritage, estimated at about half a million art objects, was plundered by the occupying powers. Cataloged pieces are still occasionally recovered elsewhere and returned to Poland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_looting_of_Poland

Aryanization was essentially a gigantic, trans-European trafficking operation in stolen goods,” writes historian Götz Aly in Hitler’s Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State. As Nazi-occupied territory grew from Austria to Poland to more of Eastern Europe, so, too, did the number of Jewish families the Nazis could steal from. Jews had faced discrimination in Germany—and much of Europe—before the April 1938 edict, but that new law marked a turning point. One legal advisor for the Nazi Ministry of Economics deemed it the “forerunner to a complete and definitive removal of Jews from the German economy.”

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...their-wealthmaking-it-easier-steal-180968894/

You may wish to visit this site, which explains in some detail the facts behind the Nazi economy, and the fact that the Nazis (1) destroyed capitalist pillars such as free markets, free association, freedom of contract, (2) instituted overwhelming government regulation of all aspects of the economy, (3) brought about government intrusion into numerous businesses, and (4) the implementation of Nazi-run "compulsory business organizations," where businesses were forced to adhere to government edicts about production, pricing, distribution, etc. In other words, where the Nazis actually owned the businesses, or ran the businesses.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2350401?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

In short, the Nazis stole billions of dollars of private property, negated capitalism, replaced capitalized with a government-run and monopolized economy, where private businesses remained in existence at the whim of the government, and where the government actually ran a substantial part of the economy, including but not limited to food, transportation, radio, and medicine.

You may wish to update your rather troubling "Nazi fetish," elfie, and search for the truth.

They didn't take what they considered "true Germans" property.

Neither did they own the means of production.

Plundering during the war is not what we are talking about...what about pre-war?

What was the German economy like?

That was a weak sauce, irrelevant, sad, sad reply.
 
They didn't take what they considered "true Germans" property.

Neither did they own the means of production.

Yes, they did. I provided a source first published very soon after the Allies conquered the Nazis, showing that the Nazis (1) set up government run businesses, (2) forced businesses to join a "council" where the government dictated production, and prices, and distribution, and hiring, and (3) dictated every relevant point for key industries such as transportation, food production, medicine, and media.

The Nazis controlled food production, and food distribution, and steel production, and aluminum production, and oil production, and transportation, and on and on.

In short, a true socialist economy.

But hey, some private industries were allowed to linger under the boot of the Nazis and produce at the whim and order of the Nazi government. Sounds a lot like your beloved "Democratic socialism," no?
 
They didn't take what they considered "true Germans" property.

Neither did they own the means of production.

Plundering during the war is not what we are talking about...what about pre-war?

What was the German economy like?

That was a weak sauce, irrelevant, sad, sad reply.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Steeltime: the Elfie Repellent
 
Stop embarrassing yourself.

I think the troll is so strong in that one that Ze doesn't even care if Ze is correct or not.
 
Yes, they did. I provided a source first published very soon after the Allies conquered the Nazis, showing that the Nazis (1) set up government run businesses, (2) forced businesses to join a "council" where the government dictated production, and prices, and distribution, and hiring, and (3) dictated every relevant point for key industries such as transportation, food production, medicine, and media.

The Nazis controlled food production, and food distribution, and steel production, and aluminum production, and oil production, and transportation, and on and on.

In short, a true socialist economy.

But hey, some private industries were allowed to linger under the boot of the Nazis and produce at the whim and order of the Nazi government. Sounds a lot like your beloved "Democratic socialism," no?



Michael McIntyre, Associate Professor and Chair, Department of International Studies, DePaul University, Chicago, IL


Someone anonymously asked me to answer this, so here goes.

"Socialism" is a controverted term. It's one that some people run toward and others run away from. So how do you decide whether the NSDAP was "socialist" when there's no universally agreed upon definition. One reasonable course, it seems to me, is to ask what governments that call themselves socialist look like, and then ask whether Hitlerian Germany looked anything like them.

The two main wings of the socialist movement come out of the split among socialists occasioned by the Russian Revolution. The pro-Bolsheviks and the anti-Bolsheviks alike continued to call themselves "socialists", although the former also called themselves "communists." (It was the USSR, not the USCR, after all).

Ruling parties from the Bolshevik tendency defined the sine qua non of socialism as state control of the forces of production, typically guided through state command, although in some cases (Hungary and Yugoslavia, for example) markets also played a role.

Socialist parties that broke with the Bolsheviks continued in some cases to proclaim their commitment to collective ownership or control of the forces of production for decades. (See, for example, the British Labour Party's Clause IV, which wasn't voted down until the 1990s). In practice, though, all of these parties made their peace with capitalism, settling for a regulated version of capitalism with extensive social welfare provision and close identification with the labor movement.

Now, what about Hitler's Germany? You certainly did not find state ownership of the forces of production. Those remained in private hands (including foreign corporations like Ford, GM, and IBM). Far from close identification with the labor movement, you found harsh repression of labor unions. Social welfare provision did not advance markedly beyond that which dated back to Bismarckian Germany. And while there was state regulation of capitalism, it was the kind of wartime mobilization of capital that is found in all sorts of regimes. Too, one must remember that the first inmates of the first concentration camp, Dachau, were members of Germany's leading socialist parties, the SPD and the KPD.

In sum, there is no good reason to regard the NSDAP's use of the terms"socialist" or "worker's party", or the anti-capitalist tone of some of the party's pronouncements, as anything other than cynically propagandistic. If it doesn't walk like a duck, quack like a duck, swim like a duck, or fly like a duck, then calling it a duck doesn't make it a duck.



Not Capitalism and not Marxist Socialism

Capitalism: People working for the owners of wealth with profits going to the owners of companies, driven by market demands and accentuated by conflict between labor and capitalists.

Marxist Socialism: People working for the good of everyone with profits (in a manner of speaking) shared by everyone who is working, driven by market demands.

National Socialism: People working for the good of the country with profits going to the owners of companies, driven by the needs of the state with all conflict between classes suppressed by a heavy-handed state.


Emphasis on National

The party was all about Nationalism (and its own power), everything else was a means to an end, including the word socialism in the name.


Socialism as propaganda

Socialism was a popular phrase at the time, made people feel like the state cared about the people and not just about its own power.

More Socialist than US President Obama

This isn't a very high bar to exceed but Ali's point makes a lot of sense here: since government involved itself directly in the affairs of business some in the US might be inclined to call it socialist.

National Socialism versus Soviet Communism

Both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were examples of Totalitarian regimes in which all activity is controlled and managed by the state for the purposes of the state. Everyone was supposed to obey and sacrifice for the good of the country in both cases. Both regimes were willing to kill off any of their own citizens that did not fit into the plan. The main difference was in Nazi Germany profits were shared with the business owners and in the Soviet Union the businesses were owned by the state so the profits went to the party elite exclusively.


https://www.quora.com/Was-National-Socialism-or-Nazism-really-socialis


If that's not enough here is another history teacher slapping around another fool like you... next you'll be telling me the Nazis weren’t Christian. And we all know how that worked out the last time.



Man says Nazis were socialist, gets schooled by history writer


'Nazi' is the short name. The full name for the 'Nazi' party was the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" ("Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" in German).

The fact that the far-right party contained 'socialist' in the name was a rebranding gambit to draw workers away from communism and into populist nationalism.

Despite this, the populist nationalists that support the likes of Donald Trump, regularly take the oportunity to remind modern day liberal or left-leaning critics of white-supremacists and neo-nazis that 'Socialism' was included in the Nazi party name.

Hitler's party positioned as a left-wing organisation based on his rhetoric, rather than his actions, espoused in the 1920s and 1930s to disenfranchised workers frustrated with what they perceived as a two-tier society.

Neither left or right wing want to be known as the side of the political spectrum that Hitler was on, and both sides would argue he was on the other, politically speaking.

One such incident occurred recently on Twitter.


https://www.indy100.com/article/naz...macists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001



You can quote what was written in 1946 till you're blue in the face. We know the West tried to white wash the Nazis directly after the war: from painting them as socialist to them being atheist, both documented as false and debunked in the 1960's.

There was even a meeting between global christian leaders(arranged by Methodists) right around that 1946-7 period where it was decided that for the west to hold the moral high ground against "atheistic communism" it was imperative that the narrative be pushed that the Nazis were Darwinist/atheists, pagans, pantheists, etc.

All B.S. and brought to you by the same freaks who molest kids at bible camp, and help Nazis escape to South America. Yeah, those fascists.
 
Again I hate to beat a dead and rotting horse , but i can't help to point out the intellectual dishonesty of the right. I don't include steeltime in that particular subset of Reich Wingers since he is not an originator of this nonsense, he simply regurgitates it.

Here is another example of how dishonest the right is when they try to vilify true socialism by attempting to associate it with dictatorships, and totalitarian regimes:





There’s just one problem with the above quote: these are not Hitler's words.
The quote belongs to Gregor Strasser, who Hitler had assassinated in 1934.






Speaking to indy100, history teacher Mike Stuchbery confirms this idea:

In the 1920s, the 'overton window' of accepted discourse was dragged to the far left. Anybody who wanted to gain the support of the German workers, who were politically aware *had* to adopt the language of the left. There was no way to electoral victory without it. We're also talking about a private event here. The speech Hitler gave was given at a time when the party was under intense scrutiny. A week after Hitler gave his speech, Berlin authorities banned the party.


https://www.indy100.com/article/pau...alist-proven-wrong-own-watson-twitter-8232381
 
ha ha

President Trump Tweets For White Farmers

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

I have asked Secretary of State @SecPompeo to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures and expropriations and the large scale killing of farmers. “South African Government is now seizing land from white farmers.”

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032454567152246785
 
Nazi Germany. Quick quiz:

1. Who controlled oil production - industry or government? A: Government.
2. Who controlled transportation, industry or government? A: Government
3. Who controlled distribution, industry or government? A: Government.
4. Who controlled steel production, industry or government? A: Government.
5. Who controlled aluminum production, industry or government? A: Government.
6. Who controlled food production, industry or government? A: Government.
7. Who controlled pricing, industry or government? A: Government.
8. Who controlled wages, industry or government? A: Government.
9. Who ran "councils" that the heavily-regulated and dominated "private" industries were forced to join? A: Government.

The Nazis ran the economy like ... well, your heroes, the Democratic socialists.

Oh, the Nazis did not seize foreign businesses (since they couldn't - the foreign businesses would have simply left). Meanwhile, your own source states:

Both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were examples of Totalitarian regimes in which all activity is controlled and managed by the state for the purposes of the state. Everyone was supposed to obey and sacrifice for the good of the country in both cases. Both regimes were willing to kill off any of their own citizens that did not fit into the plan. The main difference was in Nazi Germany profits were shared with the business owners and in the Soviet Union the businesses were owned by the state so the profits went to the party elite exclusively.

The "business owners" in Nazi Germany were also the "party elites." Same as the Soviets.

Two ugly, brutal totalitarian regimes, murdering citizens and following the "socialist dream."

But hey, a few industries had some private (puppet) ownership. That makes it Democratic socialism!!

Finally, your obsession with "Nazis are Christians" led to you being destroyed previously. The Nazis jailed and murdered thousands of Catholics due to their religion.

There's a rumor that Catholics are Christians.

"There was some diversity of personal views among the Nazi leadership as to the future of religion in Germany. Anti-Church radicals included Hitler's Personal Secretary Martin Bormann, Minister for Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, paganist Nazi Philosopher Alfred Rosenberg, and paganist occultist Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler. Some Nazis, such as Hans Kerrl, who served as Hitler's Minister for Church Affairs pushed for "Positive Christianity", which was a uniquely Nazi form which rejected its Jewish origins and the Old Testament, and portrayed "true" Christianity as a fight against Jews, with Jesus depicted as an Aryan.[8]

Nazism wanted to transform the subjective consciousness of the German people—their attitudes, values and mentalities—into a single-minded, obedient "national community". The Nazis believed they would therefore have to replace class, religious and regional allegiances.[9] Under the Gleichschaltung process, Hitler attempted to create a unified Protestant Reich Church from Germany's 28 existing Protestant churches. The plan failed, and was resisted by the Confessing Church. Persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany followed the Nazi takeover. Hitler moved quickly to eliminate Political Catholicism. Amid harassment of the Church, the Reich concordat treaty with the Vatican was signed in 1933, and promised to respect Church autonomy. Hitler routinely disregarded the Concordat, closing all Catholic institutions whose functions were not strictly religious. Clergy, nuns, and lay leaders were targeted, with thousands of arrests over the ensuing years. The Church accused the regime of "fundamental hostility to Christ and his Church". Historians resist however a simple equation of Nazi opposition to both Judaism and Christianity. Nazism was clearly willing to use the support of Christians who accepted its ideology and Nazi opposition to both Judaism and Christianity was not fully analogous in the minds of the Nazis. [10]

Smaller religious minorities such as the Jehovah's Witnesses and Bahá'í Faith were banned in Germany, while the eradication of Judaism by the genocide of its adherents was attempted. The Salvation Army, the Christian Saints and the Seventh-day Adventist Church all disappeared from Germany, while astrologers, healers and fortune tellers were banned. The small pagan "German Faith Movement", which worshipped the sun and seasons, supported the Nazis.[11] Many historians believed that Hitler and the Nazis intended to eradicate Christianity in Germany after winning victory in the war.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

"In the 1920's, as they battled for power, the Nazis realized that the churches in overwhelmingly Christian Germany needed to be neutralized before they would get anywhere. But there was a dilemma for Hitler. While conservatives, the Christian churches ''could not be reconciled with the principle of racism, with a foreign policy of unlimited aggressive warfare, or with a domestic policy involving the complete subservience of Church to State.'' Given that these were the fundamental underpinnings of the Nazi regime, ''conflict was inevitable,'' the summary states. It came, as Nazi power surged in the late 1920's toward national domination in the early 30's.

According to Baldur von Schirach, the Nazi leader of the German youth corps that would later be known as the Hitler Youth, ''the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement'' from the beginning, though ''considerations of expedience made it impossible'' for the movement to adopt this radical stance officially until it had consolidated power, the outline says.

Attracted by the strategic value inherent in the churches' ''historic mission of conservative social discipline,'' the Nazis simply lied and made deals with the churches while planning a ''slow and cautious policy of gradual encroachment'' to eliminate Christianity.


https://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/...s-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html

Wikipedia and the NYT agree - Nazism did not promote Christianity; Nazism sought to use Christianity to promote Nazism, and after Nazism prevailed, Christianity would be next on the target list.

So to educate you, once again, elfie, Nazism was not Christian. Nazism attempted to use religion as a means of promoting Nazism, not vice-versa. Nazism targeted, arrested and murdered tens of thousands of Christians due to their religion. Nazism focused on promoting Nazism, not religion, and if any religion, Christianity included, was not fully supportive of Nazism, then the religion was targeted, banned, and its members murdered.

I guess that once again, you are teaching me about how Nazis were Christians or some such nonsense.

Yes, yes, you had some college professor who insisted Nazis were Christians or some such hooey. The guy was wrong. Nobody believes that theory but a couple of crackpots who built a career on the lie. The "Nazis were Christians" idiocy makes flat earthers sound reasonable.
 
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