I went to my ear doc on Tuesday. Met with him for 15 minutes. $165.
And THAT is the biggest part of the problem. Over billing from doctors and hospitals. And price X for this person with this insurance, but Y price for another person with a different insurance, and Z price for someone with no insurance.
There should be a SET PRICE for all procedures and that set price should be published like a MENU. Everyone pays the same price and the price is known before the procedure.
My ACL is torn and I tried to get a price from several hospitals years back and they were dumbstruck. I actually had one lady tell me: "....well, we won't know the price until after we do it". Many places would not call me back after I asked for a price. I never had it fixed and it really never bothers me (unless I jump off a ladder, cut too quickly, etc.) then it hurts like a *****.
Anyway, ACL surgery should have a ******* set price, and doctors should compete to get my business. Why is healthcare any different?
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notice how liberals constantly complian about how much Doctors and Hospitals cost but they have no problem with what colleges no cost. Doctors are ******** that we have to force to accept less money for their services but Colleges? Nope, we just need to raise taxes so government can pay them whatever they charge.
Why the difference? Because liberals control colleges so they like that they are now turning away from education, to indoctrination. It's also why Obama declared war on technical colleges and "private" colleges. Can't have people going to ITT Tech and getting good paying jobs and their friends who majored in transgender studies and owes over 100K in loans can't get work. Nope, better shut them down over the absurd premise that not enough of their students got jobs immediately in a bad economy. No such standard held to the liberal arts colleges though.
This whole focus on healthcare is nothing but a Trojan Horse to impose socialism through the back door. Which is the only way any liberal policy can ever get passed.
BTW, notice how they use the term healthcare instead of health insurance. As if they are the same thing. American has the best healthcare in the world in terms of quality and availabliity. Nobody is ever turned away from healthcare. The argument is about how to pay for it for people who can't afford it.
Haven't wwe always addressed such needs through welfare and medicaid programs? Why not just argue that those programs need more money instead of insisting on changing the system that worked fine for about 95% of people?
Because solving problems is not what liberals do. They use problems as a way to implement their "fix" which is always some form government expansion that doesn;t solve the problem at all but does give them more power.
Look at global warming. Even if you believe in it, how do their proposed remedies help the situaion? They don't. We're going to reduce greenhouse gas by penalizing companies. Sure, we all know businesses are evil so if we crush them then all problems will get better even if that business had nothing to do with it. Of course, that business can get out of the penalties if they just make some "gifts" to the right people.
The amount of liability insurance charged to doctors is insane. You can thank the ambulance chasing lawyers for that. Doctors get sued constantly over frivolous baseless nonsense. The amount of schooling cost is massive as well. There's got to be a happy medium in it. You start putting caps on what highly skilled doctors can make and you will lose them. Canada has that **** and the best ones leave for the states.
I've had two OB-GYNs leave the state of PA because the malpractice insurance is so high here. I actually know people who got pregnant and had trouble finding an OB who is accepting new patients.
Yes, they said "It's perfect. Our work here is done."2 OB/GYN' s left the state after seeing your cooch?....
Well said. That's why the market economy works and scares them. Bullshit walks.notice how liberals constantly complian about how much Doctors and Hospitals cost but they have no problem with what colleges no cost. Doctors are ******** that we have to force to accept less money for their services but Colleges? Nope, we just need to raise taxes so government can pay them whatever they charge.
Why the difference? Because liberals control colleges so they like that they are now turning away from education, to indoctrination. It's also why Obama declared war on technical colleges and "private" colleges. Can't have people going to ITT Tech and getting good paying jobs and their friends who majored in transgender studies and owes over 100K in loans can't get work. Nope, better shut them down over the absurd premise that not enough of their students got jobs immediately in a bad economy. No such standard held to the liberal arts colleges though.
This whole focus on healthcare is nothing but a Trojan Horse to impose socialism through the back door. Which is the only way any liberal policy can ever get passed.
BTW, notice how they use the term healthcare instead of health insurance. As if they are the same thing. American has the best healthcare in the world in terms of quality and availabliity. Nobody is ever turned away from healthcare. The argument is about how to pay for it for people who can't afford it.
Haven't wwe always addressed such needs through welfare and medicaid programs? Why not just argue that those programs need more money instead of insisting on changing the system that worked fine for about 95% of people?
Because solving problems is not what liberals do. They use problems as a way to implement their "fix" which is always some form government expansion that doesn;t solve the problem at all but does give them more power.
Look at global warming. Even if you believe in it, how do their proposed remedies help the situaion? They don't. We're going to reduce greenhouse gas by penalizing companies. Sure, we all know businesses are evil so if we crush them then all problems will get better even if that business had nothing to do with it. Of course, that business can get out of the penalties if they just make some "gifts" to the right people.
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The amount of liability insurance charged to doctors is insane. You can thank the ambulance chasing lawyers for that. Doctors get sued constantly over frivolous baseless nonsense. The amount of schooling cost is massive as well. There's got to be a happy medium in it. You start putting caps on what highly skilled doctors can make and you will lose them. Canada has that **** and the best ones leave for the states.
Free market argument for healthcare is bullshit. Free market is fine for products or services the consumer can say "no" to if the price is too high. If a gallon of milk ever exceeds the price that I am willing to pay for it, I just won't buy milk anymore. In a life threatening situation, going to the hospital is not something someone is going to refuse to do because they can't afford it. When your choices are.... A. Go home and die in excruciating pain or B. Stay here and we'll fix the problem and treat your pain but it's going to cost a ridiculous amount of money, I'm willing to bet my next 50 paychecks that the number of folks that choose option B will hover right around 100 percent.
Free market argument for healthcare is bullshit. Free market is fine for products or services the consumer can say "no" to if the price is too high. If a gallon of milk ever exceeds the price that I am willing to pay for it, I just won't buy milk anymore. In a life threatening situation, going to the hospital is not something someone is going to refuse to do because they can't afford it. When your choices are.... A. Go home and die in excruciating pain or B. Stay here and we'll fix the problem and treat your pain but it's going to cost a ridiculous amount of money, I'm willing to bet my next 50 paychecks that the number of folks that choose option B will hover right around 100 percent.
That's just stupid. When you are talking about the overall cost of healthcare, which is what drives premiums, you aren't talking about "would you like to spend a lot of money, or would you prefer to die?". You are talking about a whole host of services where people can compare costs, should have some kind of investment in the cost, and make decisions based on cost. Gazilliions of medical expenses are not emergent, life or death situations...what pharmacy should you get your insulin from? Where should you get the MRI of your knee? Where should you get your monthly bloodwork drawn for any number of chronic conditions? Where should you get your knee replacement done? Where should you get your mole biopsied? Where should you go for your annual OB GYN vists, your kids' pediatric checkups, your stress test, your dietitian services, your vaccines, a therapist for your OCD or ADHD, or for your physical therapy?
If people had to shop for these things on price you would see prices, and the overall cost of healthcare, drop precipitously.
Like I said before, I could go to the minute clinic and get my kids' physicals done for 75.00, but instead I go to the ped where it costs 250.00 because it's "free" with the outrageously expensive insurance I have to buy to cover catastrophic illness. There is no incentive for me to try to get my preventative care more cheaply, since it's "free", and there is no incentive for the doctor to reduce his charges.
I still don't think the things you describe are what is driving up health care costs. Those are being competitively priced out (often by the insurance companies themselves). And people are more and more (since deductibles are so high) looking around for things like that.
And I have stated before that if we go to a nationalized health care system, things under the yearly stuff like that, through your primary care physician, could still be covered by a competitive based insurance system.
I'm more concerned with specialized stuff. Overnight stays, major emergencies, major testing, cancer treatments, M.S., congenital defects and children's diseases. These are the $100,000+ items. These are the things people can't afford and are causing health care to go up. There has to be some way to make that work.
Not sure how i feel about this. I hate obamacare, especially the penalties and i have not seen an answer on if this bill addresses them. Also they seemed to pass the bill just to pass something. I just don't see how it is going to be any better than what we have now
The US is the poster child for why free markets don't work with healthcare. We have lower life expectancy
at twice the price than many advanced countries with single payer.
You are incorrect in cause-and-effect. Specifically, several nations with a greater life expectancy than the United States currently feature diets which place much greater emphasis on fish and fish oil, which are proven to lessen heart disease and cardiac death. Japan is the best example.
Other developed nations with greater life expectancy - Canada and Australia, most notably - have very small populations with extremely limited immigration. The United States has millions of immigrants, the majority illegal, who have not had childhood immunizations, have re-introduced tuberculosis into the United States, and reduce life expectancy significantly.
It is an undeniable mathematical statement that smaller, homogenous populations in the developed world, and with little immigration, will have greater life expectancies. The United States is neither small nor immune from immigration.
so we should give all of them free immunizations, education and housing. and anything else free that they want. because free.