"Upon further review"... Brown's left foot was in

[ark steel]

Based on the pics by t-man, there is no way you can say he was out.

In real time video I was sure they would overturn the TD. When they showed the replay several times, it was clear that his foot came down in bounds, barely, and slid the extra less-than-an-inch out of bounds.

As everyone else has said, it was called a TD. To say the video showed conclusive proof that he was out is ridiculous.

 

[t-man]

Based on the pics by t-man, there is no way you can say he was out.

Oh, you can, but you're ******* wrong.

Joe

 

[Lmob0621]

Well we did benefit from replay too on the fumble. No system is perfect as long as people are part of it.

We did benefit from the replay when the initial call was correct... but they overturned what was a correct call...they should never do that even in an imperfect system.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Problem with replay is the officials dependance upon it. They said Moore Fumbled. Really. Not only was his knee clearly down, he never fumbled it. It came out from contact with the ground. That call on the field was terrible, but typical of the "well the replay will get it right" attitude of the officials.

 

[mightyguru]

Man, there are some sad racist ***** commenting on that site.

 

[black and gold apex]

The same officials could see Harrison hit the QB late yet twice ben was hit way after the ball gone and not a thought of the flag. The only thing I'm racist about is how the officiating has continued to draw questions. To many rules and to many officials in different crew calling to many different ways.

 

[Ward4HOF]

The refs have been atrocious and it's ruining the game. I ask myself every Saturday how the college officials do it so well.

 

[Wingman]

I have been an avid fan of the game for more than 40 years. The zebras have been bad the entire time. It is becoming worse now because of all the protect the player bull **** penalties. Quarterbacks need to wear dresses, defenseless receivers, defenseless defenders, the chuck after five yards etc.

Because so many of those plays are judgement calls they are bound to get them wrong a lot. You want to turn the game back to a real game with out all the lame *** judgement calls go ahead the zebras will immediately go from worse to only bad and in many of those the replay guys will be able to get it right.

Some of you may remember the days of "watching the game on the radio" with Jack Flemming and Myron Cope doing the broad casts. Nearly everyone knew some one that would imitate "Myron Cope on Sports". Back in this time period Flemming would routinely announce the score as Team what ever 6 the steelers 14 and the zebras 10 or something to that effect. His implication was that the zebras were really affecting the game and giving points to the other team, a view that was often embraced by the fans.

The one thing that has been a constant is the zebras were bad and still are. Just recently I think on what ever sports thing came on after the game there was a high light of I believe Tom Brady after the play was dead walking up to someone yelling at them and then falling down accompanied by a sea of yellow hankies. That was a better fake knock down than I have ever seen acted out by a kicker or punter in my entire life. At that point if I am a coach I will activate the worst player I can find from the practice squad just for the patriots game and instruct him to blitz and take out that ***** knees even if it is a late hit. I also have a deal set with the owner that the kid is guaranteed the practice squad the following year and his fine will be covered by the team.

If every team did this that **** would stop in a real quick hurry.

 

[cpollock]

See here is the bad thing about this play -- HAD they called it an incomplete pass I DON'T think that they would have been able to review it .... but since it was ruled a TD it was automatically reviewed up stairs .. SINCE ALL Scoring plays are reviewed .. WHY IS THIS A RULE !!!

 

[SteelerAl]

The refs have been atrocious and it's ruining the game. I ask myself every Saturday how the college officials do it so well.

The NFL has the attitude of a monopoly...they are too busy counting their money to really give a **** about what their customers want or think because they know the customer will keep coming back. Everything they do in terms off the product on the field makes the official's job more difficult...every stupid rule (or "point of emphasis") that they create makes the official's job more difficult (example: this year officials are supposed to flag players for using inappropriate language...are you ******* kidding me?). Also, do they ever think about hiring some younger officials? You know, guys in shape enough to keep up the action? I'm sorry, but a 38-year old has better reflexes and can process visual information faster than a 58-year old...

 

[t-man]

If you actually watch the replay from behind it shows the toes out of bounds, it does not show them dragging through the grass first. They may have drug through the grass first but the replay did show the foot out when it came down. They actually did a good job with it.

Thanks Tim for posting the answer to a close call.

The view from behind the play was from the center of the field, there is NO way it shows the strip of grass you can CLEARLY see in the three images I posted. In the final image of that series, he is pushing off with the foot in question, and it could STILL be argued that's it's in bounds.

 

[Steeltime]

The view from behind the play was from the center of the field, there is NO way it shows the strip of grass you can CLEARLY see in the three images I posted. In the final image of that series, he is pushing off with the foot in question, and it could STILL be argued that's it's in bounds.

Not to belabor this thread, but:

(1) t-man is right - the images he posted show it was a TD.
(2) No effing way you can overrule the TD call on the field.

 

[t-man]

Oh I'll belabor it, it needs belabored, have you noticed the announcers are now attempting to make us think we're all blind as well? There will be a clear cut replay showing something one way or the other, and they'll hmm and haww around in the booth "well, that's a close one Bob, let's see what they have to say". I'm sure they've been instructed to keep all the calls "close" so that whatever way the officials on the field go they can say "Well, yeah, we said it was close". I've noticed this more this year than before, and sometimes they will come right out and say "yeah, there is no way this gets overturned" and most times I'm in agreement with them, and out comes the blind deaf and dumb zebra to flip the ******* call.

It's totally out of control, and I'm not sure how we fix it when some douchenozzle can look at this ******* video, pick the view that's from about the 50 ******* yard line in the middle of the field, and OVER-RULE< the zebra you see standing at the ******* pylon, who, by the way was the one to signal TD. You'll notice he's looking RIGHT AT the ******* sideline, and I'll be he can see that strip of grass even better than we can in the picture.

******* tools one and all.

Joe

 

[Idioteque]

Oh I'll belabor it, it needs belabored, have you noticed the announcers are now attempting to make us think we're all blind as well? There will be a clear cut replay showing something one way or the other, and they'll hmm and haww around in the booth "well, that's a close one Bob, let's see what they have to say". I'm sure they've been instructed to keep all the calls "close" so that whatever way the officials on the field go they can say "Well, yeah, we said it was close".

You're not alone. I've noticed that for years.

 

[AggieSteel]

That call cost me a fantasy W

 

[Buster]

I would have lost one of my fantasy games if they had gotten the call right.

 

[Wingman]

The view from behind the play was from the center of the field, there is NO way it shows the strip of grass you can CLEARLY see in the three images I posted. In the final image of that series, he is pushing off with the foot in question, and it could STILL be argued that's it's in bounds.

Watch the replay and then talk about it instead of telling me what it can and can not show. The front view makes it look like it is in, the rear view sure looks like the foot comes down with the toes on the white line, toes hit first the way he is moving. On watching that replay it would be clear cut not both feet in when possessing the ball.

 

[insaniti]

With the camera being where it was, of course it's going to look like that from behind at an angle NOT parallel to the sideline. And you can barely see his left foot on the view from behind because of his right foot. His foot did END UP out of bounds, but it hit IN BOUNDS first. If he would have tapped that toe, and dragged it out of bounds it's a TD. But for some reason if you go and plant, and you hit in bounds first, and your foot slids out of bounds, it's somehow not a TD?

The best view of the catch is the one that t-man posted, NOT the one from behind where you can't even see his toes.

 

[Wingman]

I watched it and saw his toes out of bounds when they come down not in. It is easily possible to see the feet from the angle that was available. I think the zebras got this one right.

 

[t-man]

I watched it and saw his toes out of bounds when they come down not in. It is easily possible to see the feet from the angle that was available. I think the zebras got this one right.

You're right, the view that's from the middle of the field, NOT parallel to the sideline, where you actually can't see the left foot for part of it, AND that's farther away is definately the correct one to use, not the one that's right on the sideline, closer, and shows both feet the entire time. With that logic, you should see if the NFL offices have an opening, it sounds like you'd fit right in. If only they had a WORSE angle, from FURTHER away, that would be even better!

Oh, and the rule states the toe needs to be in bounds, as soon as the toe of his shoe hits blades of grass NOT painted white, he's in, done deal, doesn't matter if it then slides out of bounds, any more than it matters when a guy drags his toe that it slides out of bounds. If you're telling me you can't see that toe hitting the ground from the pics provided, then Antonio Brown needs a magic act, cause that ************ levitated.

Joe

 

[t-man]

So, here is another angle, the first pic is clearly where his foot is down, you can see the shadow under his foot, but NO space between his toe and the ground, the second photo shows where his foot slid to, and what produced the divot was the movement of that slide and then the push off with the left foot.

 

[t-man]

Additionally, here is when he IS actually out of bounds, with his RIGHT foot, tell me what you see between the pink of his LEFT foot, and the white of the sideline? Yep, grass, green as ****.

 

[t-man]

I've got 3 more angles from the coaches cam, but they are all farther away, yet NONE of them show him out. The ONLY one that makes it look like he's out is the one I mentioned. THIS is another angle, and indeed the one they SAID they used to show he was out, again, sure as **** looks like that foot is down with green beside it, and again, his right foot is OFF the ground, so if his left isn't down, he's levatating in this moment, and the shadow is lying, and someone painted part of the sideline green, cause you can STILL see GREEN between the toe and the sideline, and the foot is, I'll say it one more time, just for effect, D O W N.

 

[t-man]

And finally, the one the smarmy prick in NY used to say he was out, this is exactly ONE FRAME after the last one, and yep, by then his foot appears to have slid over to the sideline, but keep in mind, this pic syncs up with my pic 2, but from this angle, you can't see any green, so this was the one he used, and out of ALL those posted, the ONLY one that makes it look like he's out. Worst angle, farther away, oh, and the zebra standing at the pylon, right on the sideline, that you can plainly see watching this play, signaled TD.

Irrefutable evidence my ***.

 

[t-man]

But yeah, given this pic-



And this pic-



Of course you pick the second one because you can see both feet so much better..... /sarcasm

Joe