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Wait a minute...Ken Dorsey fired???

Offense was struggling under Dorsey. Buffalo not throwing a season away by keeping an OC that can’t get it done.

Joe Brady was co-OC at LSU title team with Joe Burrow. He was hired by Matt Rhule as OC for Carolina but he was probably too young and inexperienced. He’s gained some experience since then and now gets another shot to prove himself.

Brady was an assistant at Penn State prior to LSU. I thought he could be a candidate for Penn State OC but not now if he gets this shot with Buf.

The significant thing about this Buffalo firing though is that Buffalo was one of the only teams that i could identify as nearest to Canada's outside passing game offense.

I saw that Sunday night game and was enthralled. Even WITH Allen AND DIggs, the Bills could not stop safeties this year from running balls-out downhill on their ***. That one Broncos interception was just jaw-dropping. No respect AT ALL to the WR. And Allen didn't throw a damn duck. The FS just said 'screw you, i'ma gonna eat'. Behind the FS was 60+ yards of green. I saw that and said, Goddamn.

Have defenses figured out the vertical passing game?

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Sure fans want wins, but I don’t think the current Steelers model is sustainable. all I keep hearing is that we don’t know what we have in Pickett. How are you going to find out?

I don’t think he’s a franchise QB but I do think he is better than he’s shown. We’ll never know unless they turn him loose. They could start by letting him throw in the middle of the field.

But in order to USE the middle of the field, you have install a wildly different offense. Which everyone and their mother has said is completely impossible in the middle of a season - though Buffalo and other teams have done so.
And further Tomlin will not fire Canada, and nor will he bring in someone to help do that.

So until Tomlin is fired, the team is stuck.
 
Sure fans want wins, but I don’t think the current Steelers model is sustainable. all I keep hearing is that we don’t know what we have in Pickett. How are you going to find out?

I don’t think he’s a franchise QB but I do think he is better than he’s shown. We’ll never know unless they turn him loose. They could start by letting him throw in the middle of the field.
It may not be sustainable. But who knows? The Steelers are 6-3...lets not overlook that, as ugly as it has been. With Watson out (even with him) the Steelers could get a win in Cleveland that probably most would not have thought they'd get. What if they get all crazy with Pickett and start losing games and we look back in Jan and think the Steelers maybe could have made the playoffs? Then that will be Tomlin's fault too.

I agree with you in theory, but...
 
It may not be sustainable. But who knows? The Steelers are 6-3...lets not overlook that, as ugly as it has been. With Watson out (even with him) the Steelers could get a win in Cleveland that probably most would not have thought they'd get. What if they get all crazy with Pickett and start losing games and we look back in Jan and think the Steelers maybe could have made the playoffs? Then that will be Tomlin's fault too.

I agree with you in theory, but...
Good example of possible alternative scenario.👍
 
Good example of possible alternative scenario.👍
Well, I understand the argument. If they were 4-5 or something...yeah. But you never know. Patrick Mahomes or someone goes down, it's wide open. And here sit the Steelers right now.
 
It may not be sustainable. But who knows? The Steelers are 6-3...lets not overlook that, as ugly as it has been. With Watson out (even with him) the Steelers could get a win in Cleveland that probably most would not have thought they'd get. What if they get all crazy with Pickett and start losing games and we look back in Jan and think the Steelers maybe could have made the playoffs? Then that will be Tomlin's fault too.

I agree with you in theory, but...
SB or bust
 
Sure fans want wins, but I don’t think the current Steelers model is sustainable. all I keep hearing is that we don’t know what we have in Pickett. How are you going to find out?

I don’t think he’s a franchise QB but I do think he is better than he’s shown. We’ll never know unless they turn him loose. They could start by letting him throw in the middle of the field.
This is where I am as well. My concern is the longer they don't let him cut it loose, the less confidence he'll have. It'll also be two years of muscle memory and his brain telling him to play it safe.
 
I remember a time where Ben threw for 522 yards.
Ben had 4 (one in the playoffs) 500+ yard games. 4 out of the 26 in NFL history. Kenny has 599 total yards passing in his last four games.
 
It may not be sustainable. But who knows? The Steelers are 6-3...lets not overlook that, as ugly as it has been. With Watson out (even with him) the Steelers could get a win in Cleveland that probably most would not have thought they'd get. What if they get all crazy with Pickett and start losing games and we look back in Jan and think the Steelers maybe could have made the playoffs? Then that will be Tomlin's fault too.

I agree with you in theory, but...
Yes, but then think back to 2020 - the Steelers started the season 11-0, a few posters here had significant concerns about how good the Steelers really were despite the unbeaten record (I was NOT one of them). They were proven correct as the Steelers went 1-4 the rest of the regular season and were unceremoniously dumped out of the playoffs by the Browns.
 
Ben had 4 (one in the playoffs) 500+ yard games. 4 out of the 26 in NFL history. Kenny has 599 total yards passing in his last four games.
I'd be curious to know how many yds. Ben had in his last 4 games with this offense.
His first 4 as a Steeler for that matter.

I'm too lazy to look it up. FordFairline is a QB stat machine. Maybe he'll honor my inquiry if he happens to read this.
 
This is where I am as well. My concern is the longer they don't let him cut it loose, the less confidence he'll have. It'll also be two years of muscle memory and his brain telling him to play it safe.
I just feel like living on the edge like this and doing just enough is eventually going to catch up to them. Perhaps it won't. Weird **** happens in sports.
 
I just feel like living on the edge like this and doing just enough is eventually going to catch up to them. Perhaps it won't. Weird **** happens in sports.
Of course it will. Their last game of the season regardless of if it is regular or they reach the playoffs will end because of the scheme. My opinion but that is how I see it ending. A ****** safe approach doesn't get you deep into the playoffs. You have to be aggressive and attack.

If you aren't used to doing it in the regular season chances are that sword won't be sharp when you attempt it in the postseason. Again if they even get that far.
 
I just feel like living on the edge like this and doing just enough is eventually going to catch up to them. Perhaps it won't. Weird **** happens in sports.
You are probably right. I lean that way as well. I just think I understand why they approach things the way they are. They are 6-3. I bet even they can't quite believe it. Now they got Cleveland who is rolling out a rookie QB. Would you have Pickett throw it all around in this situation? To me where they are gonna have to is the next game against the Bengals if they want to compete. But who knows?
 
You are probably right. I lean that way as well. I just think I understand why they approach things the way they are. They are 6-3. I bet even they can't quite believe it. Now they got Cleveland who is rolling out a rookie QB. Would you have Pickett throw it all around in this situation? To me where they are gonna have to is the next game against the Bengals if they want to compete. But who knows?
Yep, Cleveland will be heavy run, including their rookie QB. If the Steelers bend but don't break defense holds true, the score will be on the low side and the Steelers will have a chance to eke out a W.
 
Most don't recall the origination of the term "winning ugly." It was used for the 1983 Chicago White Sox. Sure enough, their luck ran out in the playoffs and the next season they were 14 games under .500. Their best pitcher, Lamarr Hoyt, wound up a drug addict when he became addicted to painkillers due to the shoulder pain from a rotator cuff injury.

Life lesson: Winning ugly seems good at the time but just as the cream rises, the **** sinks.
 
I think it comes down to can you win a SB with said QB. Early on it is impossible to tell most often than not. When they start to figure it out then you go with the direction of the arrow. If they are on the fence and can't tell at a certain time, you gage your subsequent contract to uncertain. Then you bring in competition, unless you at that time are certain of what they are capable of.
 
Would you have Pickett throw it all around in this situation?
Cleveland's defense is 1st against the pass and 7th against the run. Gonna be tough sledding either way. I would expect they would be more successful running the ball, but they need to be careful not to make themselves too one dimensional.
 
Cleveland's defense is 1st against the pass and 7th against the run. Gonna be tough sledding either way. I would expect they would be more successful running the ball, but they need to be careful not to make themselves too one dimensional.
I blame Ben
 
Someone really needs to call the Bills and let them know you can't fire people mid-season.

i know, right? i mean we all should just except that NFL offense is like brain surgery: way too complex for mere mortals.

HAS to be that there's no way even a college graduate could switch offense systems mid-season.
 
It may not be sustainable. But who knows? The Steelers are 6-3...lets not overlook that, as ugly as it has been. With Watson out (even with him) the Steelers could get a win in Cleveland that probably most would not have thought they'd get. What if they get all crazy with Pickett and start losing games and we look back in Jan and think the Steelers maybe could have made the playoffs? Then that will be Tomlin's fault too.

I agree with you in theory, but...
And i think that's where most fans land as well. Winning covers up enough holes and the next tier higher of teams is just... unreachable seemingly.

i half-agree and the other half of me just thinks WTF are the Steelers doing? How much All-Pro and Hall of Fame talent does one goddamn team need? Pickett, Pickens, Muth, JPJ, Minkah, TJ Watt, Big Ben, Cam... year after f*ckin year of this sh*t.

administration, the scouts & the GM be like:

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