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We HAVE to go DL in round 1

So on years like this, where the DL is extremely deep, you may be getting a first round talent in the third or even fourth round... but taking a guy in the first doesnt mean you are getting a guy better than the next couple rounds... so its probably better to go with a less deep position and hit DL in the second...

Id probably go Wr DL- then either DL again or RB...
 
So on years like this, where the DL is extremely deep, you may be getting a first round talent in the third or even fourth round... but taking a guy in the first doesnt mean you are getting a guy better than the next couple rounds... so its probably better to go with a less deep position and hit DL in the second...

Id probably go Wr DL- then either DL again or RB...
That would be great if all things were equal. Not sure that is the case. Not so sure WR will be a BPA at 21. It might be if there is a run at DL sure.

Thing is do you want an ok guy against the run or a tier above that? So I guess it depends on how the board shakes out.

I tend to think the DL drop off might be greater than the WR drop off between the rounds mentioned.

We shall see.
 
The biggest issue for this franchise was a lack of quality depth on the defense. I think that’s one huge reason they lost the last five games. Double edge sword here boys. You have to have an efficient offense to not over burden your defense like we’ve been doing the last several seasons.
The defense always starts off the season with a bang but fades in the later part of the season do to being worn down. They’re on the field too much because the offense stinks.
So for me this off season has to be dealt with two fold. Draft your WR in the first round and also sign a quality WR in FA.
Draft your DL in the second round and again in third round. Deep draft for good DL.
Sign a quality CB in FA. Sign a quality DL in FA.
Must have good depth on DL so same thing doesn’t happen this year with defense running out of gas.
Offense must be more aggressive and utilize the entire field especially with the new WRs on board.
Allow the OC to call his offense and Tomlin to stop meddling in the offense. He’s not good at it and it’s been proven time and time again.
He’ll run the defense so with the added quality depth and a hopefully better offense, just maybe they can find the recipe to succeed.
Re-sign Justin please!
The offense has its issue of course but the defense mind set of bend but don't break philosophy is old and out of date. The defenses biggest friend should be themselves. Simply get off the field. Our defense cripples our offense just as much as they cripple our defense.

Tomlin chooses to limit the number of possessions to keep the score low. To keep us within a score.

Tomlin's philosophy and scheme on both sides of the ball need to go if we ever want to have a chance of making a deep run in the playoffs.
 
I think they should pick 2 DL in the first 4 picks, along with 2 WR’s with the other 2 picks.
I like 2 DL but not two wrs that high... there are some sleeper picks at Wr later in the draft... take one high and one lower... because at wr right now, you know Pickens, CA3 and Wilson will be making it.... Wilson's redshirt year wont get him cut yet...
Ben Skowronek almost certainly is brought back as tge ST ace wr we almost always keep.
Outside of extreme circumstances, we are only keeping 5 or 6 wrs.. and one of those spots will be a ST coverage guy...
That leaves one or two spots, and they probably will sign a vet free agent to mentor the group, so adding one high end wr and one late rounder developmental guy that can either make the roster in case of injury or if the FA doesnt pan out or be signed to the PS and available later in the year if needed...
two high wr picks locks us into them both on the roster, and honestly barring lots of injuries, that second WR pick wont see the field more than a CB or RB would...

And a 3rd or 4th round RB wouldn't be a terrible idea this season...
 
I like 2 DL but not two wrs that high... there are some sleeper picks at Wr later in the draft... take one high and one lower... because at wr right now, you know Pickens, CA3 and Wilson will be making it.... Wilson's redshirt year wont get him cut yet...
Ben Skowronek almost certainly is brought back as tge ST ace wr we almost always keep.
Outside of extreme circumstances, we are only keeping 5 or 6 wrs.. and one of those spots will be a ST coverage guy...
That leaves one or two spots, and they probably will sign a vet free agent to mentor the group, so adding one high end wr and one late rounder developmental guy that can either make the roster in case of injury or if the FA doesnt pan out or be signed to the PS and available later in the year if needed...
two high wr picks locks us into them both on the roster, and honestly barring lots of injuries, that second WR pick wont see the field more than a CB or RB would...

And a 3rd or 4th round RB wouldn't be a terrible idea this season...
I would say with two RBs likely on the out it is more of a necessity than a want to draft at least one…
 
Almost forgot to touch on Harmon some will like him better. More of a well rounded player and I would understand if they did. If you draft either player mentioned I don’t think the Steelers lose sleep. If you are looking for the player with more pass rush ability a higher ceiling there it is Harmon.

I have been on the Harmon like for awhile so I tend to forget about him sometimes because with his pass rush ability I think he is off the board by 21.

So you can run up to the podium for either player depending what you are looking for.

I just so happen to like Grant..
I like them both as well, but I think right out of the gate, Grant is the better guy against the run, and Harmon against the pass. So I take Grant first if they are both available.
 
I like them both as well, but I think right out of the gate, Grant is the better guy against the run, and Harmon against the pass. So I take Grant first if they are both available.
You would think in a pass happy league Harmon would be off the board first and Grant still available. But I am right with you if both are available at 21.
 
While I agree it is one of the biggest needs on the team I could definitely see them go WR then DL.

The WR talent pool is shallow and the I’ve heard a couple “experts” say as many as 20 DL with 1st-2nd round grades, but only a handful of top receivers.

I could easily see it go WR then DL to try to yield 2 starters, especially if Mike has his way.
If Weidl has his way it will likely go DL in the first.

I can see cases for both strategies.
 
Ogunjobi will be (definitely should be) cut. He is never 100% and doesn't do much for the D anymore. You have to cut him. With that said, I give Cam one more year. Hopefully, he can play as he did this past year but at his age, he could lose it at any minute. Benton regressed. Even if he now improves, the DL room is very slim pickings. We need 2 new starters to put in there. I see the Steelers signing a DL and WR free agent and then drafting at least one of each. And, I wouldn't hesitate to double dip at DL. They need 300 lb+ guys and not tall thin guys. Whoever they draft must be able to command double teams since we will only have 2 DL on the field the majority of the time.
 
The offense has its issue of course but the defense mind set of bend but don't break philosophy is old and out of date. The defenses biggest friend should be themselves. Simply get off the field. Our defense cripples our offense just as much as they cripple our defense.

Tomlin chooses to limit the number of possessions to keep the score low. To keep us within a score.

Tomlin's philosophy and scheme on both sides of the ball need to go if we ever want to have a chance of making a deep run in the playoffs.


Unless a miracle happens, your hope will be misplaced.

Take into consideration that Coach Tomlin specifically said big change was needed, yet where is that big change?

Maybe he was inferring to on the field change, well it’s stated by the GM that Jones will be playing LT. Other personel will have to be a wait and see.

Miracle: Just maybe that on field scheme (both-sides) might just be3 taking on a new meaning…………… even so slightly as it may be.




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We don’t have to nor should we… NFL rules favor the offense, we need to start focusing on the offensive side of the ball if we wanna stay relevant in the modern NFL
 
We don’t have to nor should we… NFL rules favor the offense, we need to start focusing on the offensive side of the ball if we wanna stay relevant in the modern NFL
You start with the DL in round 1, because we have the Ravens in our division and we have to be able to stop the run! Then you go WR, RB in rounds 2-3, but you better be able to find a CB in FA, or you'll have to take one in the draft as well. We can focus on offense all we want, but if we can't stop anyone, it won't matter how many weapons we have.
 
I think they should pick 2 DL in the first 4 picks, along with 2 WR’s with the other 2 picks.
I like 2 DL but not two wrs that high... there are some sleeper picks at Wr later in the draft... take one high and one lower... because at wr right now, you know Pickens, CA3 and Wilson will be making it.... Wilson's redshirt year wont get him cut yet...
Ben Skowronek almost certainly is brought back as tge ST ace wr we almost always keep.
Outside of extreme circumstances, we are only keeping 5 or 6 wrs.. and one of those spots will be a ST coverage guy...
That leaves one or two spots, and they probably will sign a vet free agent to mentor the group, so adding one high end wr and one late rounder developmental guy that can either make the roster in case of injury or if the FA doesnt pan out or be signed to the PS and available later in the year if needed...
two high wr picks locks us into them both on the roster, and honestly barring lots of injuries, that second WR pick wont see the field more than a CB or RB would...

And a 3rd or 4th round RB wouldn't be a terrible idea this season...
while I understand where you are coming from, I disagree just slightly.
DL and WR are our two biggest weaknesses. I guess I could accept taking the 2nd WR pick later and going CB or possibly RB.
My idea of a good Draft would be getting the following:
2 DL
2 WR
1 CB
1 RB
1 OG or QB

DL - picks speak for themselves as they need a starter on DL and talent to compete as Cam’s replacement

WR - Pickens is really the only starter that is not in need of replacement. Wilson was drafted as a #2 hopeful, and he hasn’t been able to show anything to lock him in as WR2. CA3 should also be looked at as needing to be upgraded. Overall that group needs at least 2 solid starting capable WR’s. If you get 2 from the draft that gives you 5-6 WR’s going into the year. Yes they would be young with Skoroneck as the old vet, but I wouldn’t drop huge money on bringing in a high priced vet when you have to decide on Pickens after this year. I would rather give Pickens every chance to be the high priced WR that leads the group in 26. If he doesn’t take that position then you have 2 new young guys that might want that position.

CB - I think the CB2 position is already on the team in the way of Trice and Bishop as slot CB. Both players are young, and will likely see competition from FA acquisitions. The CB pick would be to look for a future contributor

RB - I honestly think that a starter @ RB will come by FA and will be used as a 2 or 3 headed monster, unless a true #1 young RB is found in FA. The RB pick here is for a future contributor

OG - They need a starter @ G to pair with McCormick going into 26, maybe they find another one later in the Draft. Worst case is that you get a depth player

QB - Here is where things become tricky. I would offer Fields a 4 year deal that pays him in the 20-30 range + incentives that allow him to get in the #5 range with a SB win + SBMVP. If he couldn’t wrap up the starting gig for 26, I would move him to a WR/RB role for the remainder of his contract and see what happens. I think that the franchise QB is in this draft after round 2, maybe not even earlier. I think the best that can be hoped for is that they draft a backup who becomes more. That is why I don’t look early. Now I could be convinced to go mid draft if Dart falls and they can move up for pick #3. If they wait til later I’m looking @ Rourke, McCord, Shough or Cook. I also bring in 2 UDFA QB’s to make things really interesting for QB2 & QB3

In the end I don’t believe that Tomlin changes his philosophy so I am looking to shore up positions to give the next guy a solid group to work with in 27. I am NOT looking to spend huge money on stars in FA or expending Draft capital to reach for players that Tomlin will just waste anyway.
 
While I agree it is one of the biggest needs on the team I could definitely see them go WR then DL.

The WR talent pool is shallow and the I’ve heard a couple “experts” say as many as 20 DL with 1st-2nd round grades, but only a handful of top receivers.

I could easily see it go WR then DL to try to yield 2 starters, especially if Mike has his way.
If Weidl has his way it will likely go DL in the first.

I can see cases for both strategies.


Some here are going to call me crazy, but I feel we need another OL (T) in the top 4 picks. We currently have a LT who may have attitude and learning curve carried over. We also have a RT who may have injury problems due to knee issues, add on that he is a red-shirt rookie.

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Some here are going to call me crazy, but I feel we need another OL (T) in the top 4 picks. We currently have a LT who may have attitude and learning curve carried over. We also have a RT who may have injury problems due to knee issues, add on that he is a red-shirt rookie.

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They should bring in a vet capable of playing both sides. Probably better off with that and they can still 5 or 7 them a T in the draft and or a G.
 
CB - I think the CB2 position is already on the team in the way of Trice and Bishop as slot CB. Both players are young, and will likely see competition from FA acquisitions. The CB pick would be to look for a future contributor
As much as they like Trice, and as much talent and potential he might have...injuries are the reason he slid so far in the draft, and the same reason he hasn't seen the field much. I think CB2 is very much up in the air, as well as the slot role. Beanie played ok, was in the right spot for a few picks, but he was also out of position a lot. He may make a huge jump in year 2, but I'm still looking at possible upgrades.
 
They should bring in a vet capable of playing both sides. Probably better off with that and they can still 5 or 7 them a T in the draft and or a G.


Part of my not want5ing Dan Moore retained (other than his play), is it would short leash the other players. Because Moore supposedly can’t play RT, should Fantanu go down, we end up right back where we are.

A vet both sides player can fill in, I’d hope he is above average in ability.


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Some here are going to call me crazy, but I feel we need another OL (T) in the top 4 picks. We currently have a LT who may have attitude and learning curve carried over. We also have a RT who may have injury problems due to knee issues, add on that he is a red-shirt rookie.

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Can’t argue with more OL talent

I like Dylan Fairchild as a round 3-4 prospect as he is both G and T capable.

If we knock out WR and DL with first two picks, then snag a guy like him and a solid CB prospect with the first 4 I’d be pretty happy with that.

Could even see the DL double dip in the first 4 but as deep as this draft is at DL I could see a good rotational piece brought in the 7th instead. Maybe a triple dip…never mad at bulking up the trenches where games are won/lost.
 
I can see the Steelers surprising us all with a RB and/or QB pick much earlier than anticipated. They very easily could address RB-1B (to go with Warren 1A) in free agency. I just don't see Warren being able to withstand the rigors of being a feature RB. Even if they sign Fields, they could grab Dart or even Milroe higher than we would like (most don't want either). I just hope they don't go QB in Rd. 1 when DL and WR are easily the top 2 needs other than a franchise QB they won't get. If they do grab a QB, I hope it doesn't turn into another KP debacle.
 
I have believe this front office will have most holes plugged before the draft… but you never know DL Secondary wr…. they seem to be all in play
 
It’s a deep DL group and the Steelers will likely have many areas of need. No need to force their hand.
 
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