I say let them all kill each other.....and sell weapons to all sides.
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Well, Syria went to **** overnight
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It’s more than that. We also provided close air support, and supported offensive operations from the air. It’s a big deal.
If people want to get an idea of what the guys on the ground there are generally thinking:
https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1182053870744276993
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They make me want to vomit just looking at them.
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I disagree with Trump here. While getting rid of ISIS in the area was a good move, pulling out at this point in time is not. Turkey might genocide the Kurds and who knows what Iran aims to do. On Turkey they are often at odds with the USA. What's their end game here?
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ISIS does not have the power of Turkey. Turkey hates and fears, ISIS. I am for Trump and think the timing of this move stinks.
It is possible that Syria as a nation is finished and the regional nations are waiting to rape resources and the people. Trump gave them a green light. How does this help the USA? I dunno.
**** that. The green light in Syria was with BO and his red ducking line. If we went in then, BF Russia and IRan maybe we had more of a foothold. We have a corner of the ******* country while our “friends” held the rest. Get them out. Get them all out. I’ve realized that the sands ridding meca is a hole that will only produce death. **** them. Spare those of peace.
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There are no good guys in this. Everyone over there has their own interests and agenda. They care nothing about the U.S. Most of them hate us and would turn on us in a heart beat. I understand the troops feel they are doing the right thing. I respect that. But you can't fight endless wars because troops want it. Again there is no exit plan to any of these wars. Just go and stay forever because... reasons. Like I said before, there is never a good time. There is always going to be an Islamic threat because everyone there is.... wait... Islamic!! You could destroy every ISIS fighter tonight. There would be another muslim Jihad next week. It never ends. It's a middle eastern problem let them deal with it.
Exactly.
If you don't like the way the war in the Middle East was ended, don't worry, there'll be another one right around the corner. War in the Middle East is very much like the weather in New England in that way....
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What are you talking about? One of the big reasons a lot of us voted for Trump was that he said he would do exactly this. Yes, I will defend Trump for keeping a campaign promise. The outrage is interesting.
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A very Trumpian response. Like I said, some of you will defend anything he says and does no matter how idiotic.
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I'm not ENTIRELY agreeing with Trump on this but I do want to make this clear. The "mission" against ISIS is over, so what exactly is the mission now?
If the mission is to help the Kurds (whom by all accounts are about the best of bad bunches in the middle east, the least extreme in their Islamic views, and have long been western allies) gain their independence and claim a portion of Syria, Iraq and/or Turkey for themselves, then lets discuss that mission.
The problem is, I don't see anyone (here, in Congress, or in the media) talking about that mission.
Turkey is clearly NOT going to just roll over and allow that mission to happen. In fact, for the last 2 years+ it has said the exact opposite: as soon as the US mission against ISIS is over, it's going to deal with the Kurds (who they view as separatists and terrorists) and deal with the growing problem of Syrian refugees. Europe hasn't been able to change their mind on this. Obama couldn't change their mind on this. And Trump can't change their mind on this.
After waiting and waiting, Turkey finally said "we're coming... get the **** out of the way or get in the crossfire". Trump choose to get out of the way - at least with 50 troops in one specific area.
So again, I ask, what is the mission for these 1000 troops that are spread out across 300 miles of the Euphrates River? Just to chase terrorist cells made up of 20-30 people (because that's what ISIS is now - small cells and lone wolf terrorists)?
Look, I've been one of the BIGGEST PROPONENTS of leaving troops in the Middle East. We should have 10,000 troops and huge Military Bases in Mosul and Baghdad and maybe even in Syria now in Raqqah or Aleppo (if we want to annex this area away from Assad/Russia/Iran (which I'm fine with actually). If we can keep 30,000 troops in South Korea and 40,000 troops in Germany, I see no reason why Americans have such a conniption leaving troops where they ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING.
But based on every recent election since 2010, Americans want a complete withdrawal of troops from the Middle East. So I don't know what to do.
If we decide the mission is to leave them there as human shields against Turkish aggression, we are literally leaving them there indefinitely with no mission and nothing to do. I just want someone on the other side to say that.
If the mission is to help the Kurds (whom by all accounts are about the best of bad bunches in the middle east, the least extreme in their Islamic views, and have long been western allies) gain their independence and claim a portion of Syria, Iraq and/or Turkey for themselves, then lets discuss that mission.
The problem is, I don't see anyone (here, in Congress, or in the media) talking about that mission.
Turkey is clearly NOT going to just roll over and allow that mission to happen. In fact, for the last 2 years+ it has said the exact opposite: as soon as the US mission against ISIS is over, it's going to deal with the Kurds (who they view as separatists and terrorists) and deal with the growing problem of Syrian refugees. Europe hasn't been able to change their mind on this. Obama couldn't change their mind on this. And Trump can't change their mind on this.
After waiting and waiting, Turkey finally said "we're coming... get the **** out of the way or get in the crossfire". Trump choose to get out of the way - at least with 50 troops in one specific area.
So again, I ask, what is the mission for these 1000 troops that are spread out across 300 miles of the Euphrates River? Just to chase terrorist cells made up of 20-30 people (because that's what ISIS is now - small cells and lone wolf terrorists)?
Look, I've been one of the BIGGEST PROPONENTS of leaving troops in the Middle East. We should have 10,000 troops and huge Military Bases in Mosul and Baghdad and maybe even in Syria now in Raqqah or Aleppo (if we want to annex this area away from Assad/Russia/Iran (which I'm fine with actually). If we can keep 30,000 troops in South Korea and 40,000 troops in Germany, I see no reason why Americans have such a conniption leaving troops where they ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING.
But based on every recent election since 2010, Americans want a complete withdrawal of troops from the Middle East. So I don't know what to do.
If we decide the mission is to leave them there as human shields against Turkish aggression, we are literally leaving them there indefinitely with no mission and nothing to do. I just want someone on the other side to say that.
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I think we should let them kill each other. Then we go in and kill whoever is left standing, then ship all the homeless people, prisoners and illegal aliens there. 
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Regardless where we stand on this issue, it comes down to the fact that we were suppose to be there for up to six months and that turned into 9 years. We've armed them and trained them then throw in The fact is that no one wants the U.S. to police the world. That's what we would be doing in a permanent position. I've lost a cousin over there and the Milatary is tired of fighting away from our country when our freedom is not under attack. They also are really sick and tired of hearing these pieces of garbage liberal, Socialist Communists yelling "F" the troops. If this antifa group thinks of showing up at a Trump ralley here, that will be their last mistake. If anyone thinks we should stay in Syria then they can grab the balls and sign up!
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But the world doesn't want Us policing the world. Or troops are spread thin by the way too. We have Aircraft carrier Armadas that stay out to sea for 2 years at a time. It might take some time but it will work it's way out hopefully very fast or Trump did say they'd be dealt with if it doesn't stop other then sanctions.
By the way it was Turkey who contacted Trump to say they we're going to clear this safe zone and gave him time to get our guys out and Trump also let Syria know what was coming.
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By the way it was Turkey who contacted Trump to say they we're going to clear this safe zone and gave him time to get our guys out and Trump also let Syria know what was coming.
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I think this is a well written history of the Kurds, although I would recommend opening Google Maps and finding the towns and locations mentioned in the article as you read. It really helps put the places and sizes in perspective.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29702440
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29702440
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You're spot on. People don't want to commit to a full out war and don't want to leave the area. So they are in no man's land. This means that we are in a perpetual quasi war with no end game and no real exit plan. We've spend trillions and accomplished nothing. Why not have troops in Kashmir, Venezuela, Nigeria or the Ivory Coast? Why not have troops in every hot spot in the world? If all we are doing is keeping the peace then there is no logical answer to why not.
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According to the official 911 story, virtually ALL of the 911 terrorists were from Syria.
Honestly, who gives a rat-**** what happens to them these days? If it weren't for their oil interests they would have been cut loose long long ago.
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why don't we just bring every one home. focus on America. once we get us straight then go back to helping others. get our borders safe, get our military straight get our deficit to zero. and then help/worry about the rest of the world
Apparently its to have our soldiers act as human shields. As long as they're there, the Turks won't attack the Kurds. So that stalemate is expected to end when?
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Somebody's not woke...
