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Well, Syria went to **** overnight

why don't we just bring every one home

AND OUR NUKES TOO




US reviewing plans to move nuclear weapons from Incirlik


STUTTGART, Germany — The U.S. is reviewing plans to evacuate tactical nuclear weapons stored at Incirlik Air Base in light of ongoing tensions with Turkey, according to media reports.

The U.S. State and Energy departments were examining plans for potentially moving the weapons, which are roughly 250 miles from the Syrian border

The U.S. faces a dilemma over what to do with the weapons. Flying them out of Turkey risks further damaging the already troubled relationship with a longtime NATO ally, while keeping the aging weapons in Incirlik would mean leaving them in a country that Defense Secretary Mark Esper warned on Sunday was “spinning out of the Western orbit.”

Stored at Incirlik are B61 gravity bombs, which at their maximum yield are about 10 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. The weapons can be dialed back to explode with a smaller yield.

https://www.stripes.com/news/us-rev...ar-weapons-from-incirlik-report-says-1.603116
 
AND OUR NUKES TOO




US reviewing plans to move nuclear weapons from Incirlik


STUTTGART, Germany — The U.S. is reviewing plans to evacuate tactical nuclear weapons stored at Incirlik Air Base in light of ongoing tensions with Turkey, according to media reports.

The U.S. State and Energy departments were examining plans for potentially moving the weapons, which are roughly 250 miles from the Syrian border

The U.S. faces a dilemma over what to do with the weapons. Flying them out of Turkey risks further damaging the already troubled relationship with a longtime NATO ally, while keeping the aging weapons in Incirlik would mean leaving them in a country that Defense Secretary Mark Esper warned on Sunday was “spinning out of the Western orbit.”

Stored at Incirlik are B61 gravity bombs, which at their maximum yield are about 10 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. The weapons can be dialed back to explode with a smaller yield.

https://www.stripes.com/news/us-rev...ar-weapons-from-incirlik-report-says-1.603116

Drop them on the Middle East. Save the shipping costs to bring them back.
 
Be prudent to move them out of Turkey. Turkey is not our ally anymore. Over the last ten years the radical Muzzies have been taking over. Pretty soon it will be Iran.
 
I said years ago Erdogan is bad news and how Europe has continued to pander to him is unimaginable.

You barely hear a PEEP from Macron and Merkel on Turkey. Despite their "claim" of open borders, the likely reason is they have been in Erdogan's back pocket because he is taking care of their Syrian refugee crises. Erdogan has pretty much played Europe for a decade while he has squashed any secularism left in his country.

90% of the problems in Turkey and Russia are Europe's doing (or FAILURE of Europe to do anything). Europe is literally a bunch of socialist ******* now. They do nothing in the world except whine about climate change. They help no one. All they do is lecture and yell "Bad, Bad, Bad". Racism is all over their continent. They have no idea how to assimilate the mass influx of the muslim hoards. Crime and violence are increasing everywhere.

We are talking about an economy that is as big as the U.S. yet they spend 1/20th of the money we do on defense and STILL they can't help the U.N. or other countries because of the wild debt to social programs they have created under their own noses.

Europe is our ally and I love them to death but they are a ******* mess right now and really haven't helped on anything. Dictators and "elected" totalitarian governments are all around their borders and yet they do nothing but continue to go further and further left and "globalist" expecting the people to follow them off that cliff.

I just don't get them at all. Talk about a bureaucracy of inaction. The EU is a do-nothing organization.
 
So now the Kurds are pissed at us and aligned with Assad. I do not believe we should be policing the world, but we should do things in a much more methodical and orderly way. Can't just be like see ya! I think it puts our remaining troops in more danger not to mention hurting the Kurd relationship and possibly freeing thousands of Isis fighters. just do not think it was a well thought out move by Trump
 
We are talking about an economy that is as big as the U.S. yet they spend 1/20th of the money we do on defense and STILL they can't help the U.N. or other countries because of the wild debt to social programs they have created under their own noses.

If Europe had paid for their own defense since the end of WWII they never would have been able to afford all that. Indirectly we've been paying for it.
 
So now the Kurds are pissed at us and aligned with Assad. I do not believe we should be policing the world, but we should do things in a much more methodical and orderly way. Can't just be like see ya! I think it puts our remaining troops in more danger not to mention hurting the Kurd relationship and possibly freeing thousands of Isis fighters. just do not think it was a well thought out move by Trump

I don't disagree that Trump handled this poorly or the fact we are leaving the Kurds out to dry.

But I want to reiterate, this was going to happen no matter HOW LONG we stayed there. Unless you think our mission in Syria & Iraq after destroying the ISIS Caliphate was to establish a Kurdish State. Bush never agreed to a Kurdish State. Obama never agreed to a Kurdish State. And Trump never agreed to a Kurdish State.

Yet, the issue of the Kurds is now Trump's fault 100%? That makes no sense.

The discussion of a possible 3-state solution in Iraq was debated in this country probably starting in 2007. It continued up until Obama decided to withdraw from Iraq for the most part in 2010. I would argue THAT withdrawal left more people hang out to dry than this one does. And our failure to control the Iraqi constitutional creation have left Iraqi Sunni and Iraqi Kurds as second class citizens and created a puppet Shia state that Iran is more closely tied to than we are (even after given them their independence).

Honestly, what is YOUR plan for the Kurds? How long will it take? How many troops will be left in the area? Will it work? And do you think Americans will support it?

The mission to destroy the ISIS Caliphate is done. What is your mission now?
 
Racism is all over their continent. They have no idea how to assimilate the mass influx of the muslim hoards. Crime and violence are increasing everywhere.

No one can assimilate Muslims. It's Europe's fault for letting them in. Now they have to deal with it. Europe is a mess because they messed it up. All the culture, ingenuity and brilliance of the west now destroyed by a bunch of global elitist who can't get over their white guilt to see what is happening in their own countries.
 
Just BTW our troops were there to help the Kurds defeat ISIS. Well they are defeated. We helped them not the other way around. They were there before we got there.
 
I think we just needed to have a brief meeting to say... we have been here for such and such amount of time we need to start pulling out. Then lay out the plan and stick to it. Seems like Trump just woke up one day and decided to withdraw the troops.
 
I think we just needed to have a brief meeting to say... we have been here for such and such amount of time we need to start pulling out. Then lay out the plan and stick to it. Seems like Trump just woke up one day and decided to withdraw the troops.

In 6 months nothing will have changed. In a year nothing will have changed. So there is no plan. If you know of a plan I'd love to hear it. Announcing that we're leaving in X months doesn't change anything. The exact same thing would happen that is happening now. BTW they were fighting before we got there and they will fight when we leave there.
 
I think we just needed to have a brief meeting to say... we have been here for such and such amount of time we need to start pulling out. Then lay out the plan and stick to it. Seems like Trump just woke up one day and decided to withdraw the troops.

Fairly certain he wanted folks out there a long time ago.
 
I thought they were almost all Saudis

Never let it be said I can't admit when I'm wrong! That said, I still have NO love for Syria.
 
Trump's Syria plan reveals a master strategist in the White House

It's just too delicious. President Trump ordered U.S. special forces out of Syria to a chorus of howling Democrats and all the old, experienced hands at State and, supposedly, the military. (I had doubts as well.) Democrats yelled that all hell was about to break loose. The Pentagon pulled its hair. Europe trembled and blanched. The Mideast girded for something awful.

Everybody thought we had to keep our troops around so the Turks wouldn't invade Northern Syria and kill off all the Kurds. Everybody wanted them to negotiate with the Kurds and figured the only way to do that was little by little, by getting allies to reason with Turkey and hem and haw and maybe buy her off as in times past. Meanwhile, we had to keep the two ancient enemies, Kurds and Turks, apart.

Negotiations would ever happen only if our troops stayed.

Trump saw the situation differently. As beautifully laid out by Sundance at Conservative Treehouse, removing our guys would leave the intransigent Turks vulnerable to an alliance against them of their many enemies in the region. This thought didn't occur to Turkish president Recep Erdoğan, who at first seemed delighted that we were leaving and promptly dispatched his troops into Syria, as everybody had predicted he would.

AT's Thomas Lifson reports that ABC News was so appalled that it ran footage from a Kentucky gun range video, called it the Turkish invasion, and heaped abuse on Trump for atrocities committed against Kurds. Even the usually level-headed Andrew Malcolm took the president severely to task for abandoning our Kurdish allies. George Conway, who has never had a good word to say about the president, styles the troop withdrawal a blunder of historical proportions.

Not so fast, fellas. The actual result hasn't been quite what everyone expected. Erdoğan suddenly understood the box he was in when Trump authorized Treasury secretary Mnuchin to prepare sanctions against Turkey. By themselves, sanctions haven't succeeded much in that part of the world. But in concert with the departure of the U.S., they became a scary signal that Turkey was all by her lonesome. Having steadfastly refused to negotiate, Erdoğan now nervously rang up Trump and asked for an emergency conference. Trump sent Vice President Pence and national security adviser O'Brien to mediate negotiations with the Kurds.

These are the long sought negotiations, brought about by U.S. troops leaving.

Only Donald Trump saw it — just as only Donald Trump got North Korea to the table, forced the Chinese to play fair, and got the Mexicans to handle the immigrant caravans on our southern border. Trump once again exhibits strategic insight not seen in the White House since George Washington.
 
Trump's Syria plan reveals a master strategist in the White House

It's just too delicious. President Trump ordered U.S. special forces out of Syria to a chorus of howling Democrats and all the old, experienced hands at State and, supposedly, the military. (I had doubts as well.) Democrats yelled that all hell was about to break loose. The Pentagon pulled its hair. Europe trembled and blanched. The Mideast girded for something awful.

Everybody thought we had to keep our troops around so the Turks wouldn't invade Northern Syria and kill off all the Kurds. Everybody wanted them to negotiate with the Kurds and figured the only way to do that was little by little, by getting allies to reason with Turkey and hem and haw and maybe buy her off as in times past. Meanwhile, we had to keep the two ancient enemies, Kurds and Turks, apart.

Negotiations would ever happen only if our troops stayed.

Trump saw the situation differently. As beautifully laid out by Sundance at Conservative Treehouse, removing our guys would leave the intransigent Turks vulnerable to an alliance against them of their many enemies in the region. This thought didn't occur to Turkish president Recep Erdoğan, who at first seemed delighted that we were leaving and promptly dispatched his troops into Syria, as everybody had predicted he would.

AT's Thomas Lifson reports that ABC News was so appalled that it ran footage from a Kentucky gun range video, called it the Turkish invasion, and heaped abuse on Trump for atrocities committed against Kurds. Even the usually level-headed Andrew Malcolm took the president severely to task for abandoning our Kurdish allies. George Conway, who has never had a good word to say about the president, styles the troop withdrawal a blunder of historical proportions.

Not so fast, fellas. The actual result hasn't been quite what everyone expected. Erdoğan suddenly understood the box he was in when Trump authorized Treasury secretary Mnuchin to prepare sanctions against Turkey. By themselves, sanctions haven't succeeded much in that part of the world. But in concert with the departure of the U.S., they became a scary signal that Turkey was all by her lonesome. Having steadfastly refused to negotiate, Erdoğan now nervously rang up Trump and asked for an emergency conference. Trump sent Vice President Pence and national security adviser O'Brien to mediate negotiations with the Kurds.

These are the long sought negotiations, brought about by U.S. troops leaving.

Only Donald Trump saw it — just as only Donald Trump got North Korea to the table, forced the Chinese to play fair, and got the Mexicans to handle the immigrant caravans on our southern border. Trump once again exhibits strategic insight not seen in the White House since George Washington.

As I said, I'm waiting to see what Trump was up to here. Well played CIC and thanks Tim I had not seen Sundance's summation as of yet. Now if someone would get Lindy Graham some ice water.

My only question now is why the 3000 troops into Saudi Arabia?
 
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Another quid pro quo? The nerve of this guy haha.
 
'The horrific slaughter of our allies at the hands of the Turks as Trump turns tail on the Kurds', or some such slobbering lies...



Oh, wait. Reminiscent of the Romans v the Germans in Gladiator. That was Trump's fault too. He's half German.
 
Everything is Trump's fault.
 
Troops are in Saudi Arabia because they can afford to pay for us to be there, Andddddd it puts pressure on Iran to stay the hell under control.
 
Last week the house sharted over this and now senator cuck weighs in with his bestie lap dogs in tow. And lindy, well, lindy doesn't know what side he's on this week.

McConnell Introduces Resolution Urging Trump to Keep Troops in Syria

As with everything PDJT does, it's best to take a wait and see what's clogging the septic tank approach until after he takes the lid off. What with the house and their peach fotey fi, senator cuck warning the senate that they'll have to take up the measure if it passes, and now he weighs in with this? I'd say K street, the pentagon, and of course the MIC are getting a little nervous with the out of control wiseguy currently occupying the whitehouse.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mccon...ng-trump-to-keep-troops-in-syria_3124260.html

Either he's the brash NY real estate developer playing with fire and doesn't give a ****, or he's got them all by the short curlies and they just don't know it yet. I'll bet the latter. Wouldn't be surprised a bit if he's wanting the senate trial to lay it all out. Either way, for now it's just a cold war but it's starting to warm.
 
Why isn't it in our best interest to get Russia back involved in the Middle East?

The last time Russia was trying to police a civil war in Afghanistan it cost them so much it helped end the cold war. With what great economy is Russia going to find the money to support Assad and Turkey and keep troops on the ground in the Middle East while ISIS supposedly reorganizes and a full blown Kurdish rebellion is going on?

I mean, I know this is just same old, same old failed policies. Sounds like 1980's all over again. We'll supply a ton of weapons to the Kurds. They will fight for the next 10 years. Russia will eventually leave. The Kurds will get their country. Then radicals will develop and use the same weapons we sold the Kurds to kill Americans about 15 years from now.

Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
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