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What have Kahn (and Colbert last few years) got us?

Mmmm, Duke's Mayo.


It's like I told the other n00bie a week or two ago, welcome to our humble abode but chill for a while until you get to learn the personalities here.

Does that go for regulars reflexively accusing me of being an alias and hurling other personal insults after I commit the cardinal sin of disagreeing with them on football?

If I’m breaking rules, by all means ban me, but I don’t plan on bending the knee to the “community elders”, though, if we disagree.

Maybe they shouldn’t have throw the first punch if they didn’t want to get hit back, metaphorically speaking.
 
Does that go for regulars reflexively accusing me of being an alias and hurling other personal insults after I commit the cardinal sin of disagreeing with them on football?

If I’m breaking rules, by all means ban me, but I don’t plan on bending the knee to the “community elders”, though, if we disagree.

Maybe they shouldn’t have throw the first punch if they didn’t want to get hit back, metaphorically speaking.
No body really cares at this point. It's not all about you
 
This is my problem with the Steeler “rebuild” when u start drafting offensive linemen in the first or second round you can’t miss if you do you end up at the bottom! And this is my problem: we will pass on Dylan Fairchild Georgia OL and he will fall into our lap him and a half dozen like him and we will have drafted his flighty crappy team mate already instead and in the 1st!! You can’t and won’t win that way! We are striking out left and right in our drafting! drafting Kenny then just giving him away! And with this horrible coaching staff how many other draft picks we going to lose?? Is it the players or the coaches?? We are in a real bind!!
 
Does that go for regulars reflexively accusing me of being an alias and hurling other personal insults after I commit the cardinal sin of disagreeing with them on football?

If I’m breaking rules, by all means ban me, but I don’t plan on bending the knee to the “community elders”, though, if we disagree.

Maybe they shouldn’t have throw the first punch if they didn’t want to get hit back, metaphorically speaking.
Seniority carries some advantages.
 
I haven't read through the entire thread, but it's hard to dispute that the Steelers have had little to show for their first round picks in particular for around a decade now.

Not that Kahn was making the decisions throughout that period, but he was a key part of the organization during it.

He came to the Steelers as a finance guy and basically learned about football and roster building from Tomlin and Colbert. He's "tarnished" in that regard.

Given how they seem so insistent on keeping Tomlin no matter what, I really wish they would have gone outside the organization to hire Colbert's successor. However, they seemed to have promised Kahn the job some years in advance to prevent him from leaving.

The whole GM "search" a few years ago felt like a formality.

A fresh approach and perspective was needed, somewhat like when the team had stagnated in the late 1990s and they brought in Colbert from Lions to replace Tom Donahoe.

Andy Weidel should have been hired as GM, not the position of limited power he currently holds.

So far, I'm just not as enamored with Khan as many fans seem to be. I don't think he's been absolutely terrible or anything, but have yet to see much that leads me to believe he is capable of turning things round, at least as long as he's still making decisions with one of his mentors in Tomlin.

Hard to imagine that he doesn't just yield to Tomlin on everything, despite it supposedly being a collaborative relationship.
 
Hard to imagine that he doesn't just yield to Tomlin on everything, despite it supposedly being a collaborative relationship.

Where have you read that? I've read more articles and quotes that Tomlin runs the show than it being a collaborative effort. For instance, Khan isn't chasing Rodgers, that's Tomlin. And that was directly from Rooney. I think Khan is more aggressive in his approach to give Tomlin what he asks for over Colbert, and I think he's a better negotiator with other teams when it comes to trades than Colbert was. And we've always known that he is a cap guru and can do miracles with contracts and numbers. But until he works with someone other than Tomlin, I don't think we'll see what Khan is fully capable of or not capable of.
 
Where have you read that? I've read more articles and quotes that Tomlin runs the show than it being a collaborative effort.

I was always under the impression the Steelers had their HC and GM as equals in personnel decisions, at least with Cowher/Colbert and Tomlin/Colbert.

Maybe the dynamic has changed with Khan, but if that's the case, why not just give Tomlin the GM title after Colbert retired? It's not like he would be the first coach to have worn both hats.

A change was needed somewhere, and with Tomlin seemingly entrenched in his position, promoting Colbert's apprentice to work with him was too much status quo, IMO.

We've discussed this before, but I'm not sure Colbert was really any less aggressive in getting Tomlin what he wanted, considering Colbert generally had less cap space to work with while having a franchise QB getting paid.

He signed Joe Haden when he became available, traded for Minkah Fitzpatrick, and traded a ton to move up for Devin Bush, who Tomlin loved and compared to Derrick Brooks having been around Brooks in Tampa Bay
 
I will accurately give him the moniker of my choice and don't need your permission. Booo waaa, would want to be yea. Plinko, there go the chips.
So you would want to be him? Using Clown-lin 50x a day is just very childish and immature. Like someone pointed out there seems to be some kind of mental situation going on unless you are just a message board troll. Then again to be a message board troll there had to be some kind of mental issue because most people don't get off acting like an idiot on a online message board.
As for drafting I do not think the drafts have been terrible I think it is more putting guys in position to succeed and just coaching in general. We also haven't had the greatest of luck with injuries. I think most people were happy with Jones and Fautanu. Jones has the physical tools just needs to work. He was also yanked around and playing injured last year. Troy looked decent in his time before injury and Frazier looks good. If Jones gets sorted out we will have a pretty gifted line. The issue is relying on Tomlin / Meyer to coach / use a proper scheme
 
I will accurately give him the moniker of my choice and don't need your permission. Booo waaa, would want to be yea. Plinko, there go the chips.
Don’t need yours either. My choices are between Pink Lloyd and Clown Lloyd.
Hemorrhoid Lloyd or Hemmo-Lloyd is a good one too because that’s exactly what you are to a lot of people.

“Accurately” you say? You can call Tomlin a lot of things, but he ain’t no clown. Highly inaccurate, much more suitable for you Clown-Lloyd
 
I haven't read through the entire thread, but it's hard to dispute that the Steelers have had little to show for their first round picks in particular for around a decade now.

Not that Kahn was making the decisions throughout that period, but he was a key part of the organization during it.

He came to the Steelers as a finance guy and basically learned about football and roster building from Tomlin and Colbert. He's "tarnished" in that regard.

Given how they seem so insistent on keeping Tomlin no matter what, I really wish they would have gone outside the organization to hire Colbert's successor. However, they seemed to have promised Kahn the job some years in advance to prevent him from leaving.

The whole GM "search" a few years ago felt like a formality.

A fresh approach and perspective was needed, somewhat like when the team had stagnated in the late 1990s and they brought in Colbert from Lions to replace Tom Donahoe.

Andy Weidel should have been hired as GM, not the position of limited power he currently holds.

So far, I'm just not as enamored with Khan as many fans seem to be. I don't think he's been absolutely terrible or anything, but have yet to see much that leads me to believe he is capable of turning things round, at least as long as he's still making decisions with one of his mentors in Tomlin.

Hard to imagine that he doesn't just yield to Tomlin on everything, despite it supposedly being a collaborative relationship.
Probably weidl has a big voice next to Kahn, just see how the team drafted 1sr round OLs two years in a row, when did that happen before with Colbert? Decastro and pouncey had a year between them.
Also they brought seumalo from the Eagles to have a vet leader in there. Before weidl he signed James Daniels as a FA, Kahn is not bad, the jury is still up on if he's good enough though, but he received a team with a seriously low talent level due to previous bad drafting
 
I haven't read through the entire thread, but it's hard to dispute that the Steelers have had little to show for their first round picks in particular for around a decade now.

Not that Kahn was making the decisions throughout that period, but he was a key part of the organization during it.

He came to the Steelers as a finance guy and basically learned about football and roster building from Tomlin and Colbert. He's "tarnished" in that regard.

Given how they seem so insistent on keeping Tomlin no matter what, I really wish they would have gone outside the organization to hire Colbert's successor. However, they seemed to have promised Kahn the job some years in advance to prevent him from leaving.

The whole GM "search" a few years ago felt like a formality.

A fresh approach and perspective was needed, somewhat like when the team had stagnated in the late 1990s and they brought in Colbert from Lions to replace Tom Donahoe.

Andy Weidel should have been hired as GM, not the position of limited power he currently holds.

So far, I'm just not as enamored with Khan as many fans seem to be. I don't think he's been absolutely terrible or anything, but have yet to see much that leads me to believe he is capable of turning things round, at least as long as he's still making decisions with one of his mentors in Tomlin.

Hard to imagine that he doesn't just yield to Tomlin on everything, despite it supposedly being a collaborative relationship.


The only way to change this entire debacle is by an entire overhaul of the coaching & FO staff.

Move Kahn back to financing and Wiedl into GM, proceed to fill the coaching vacancy(s).

Nothing will happen til Coach Tomlin is gone, even then if a massive move isn’t made then the “Tomlinization” will take even longer to exterminate.



Salute the nation
 
So you would want to be him? Using Clown-lin 50x a day is just very childish and immature. Like someone pointed out there seems to be some kind of mental situation going on unless you are just a message board troll. Then again to be a message board troll there had to be some kind of mental issue because most people don't get off acting like an idiot on a online message board.
As for drafting I do not think the drafts have been terrible I think it is more putting guys in position to succeed and just coaching in general. We also haven't had the greatest of luck with injuries. I think most people were happy with Jones and Fautanu. Jones has the physical tools just needs to work. He was also yanked around and playing injured last year. Troy looked decent in his time before injury and Frazier looks good. If Jones gets sorted out we will have a pretty gifted line. The issue is relying on Tomlin / Meyer to coach / use a proper scheme
You still owe Jimmy $50? LMAO! You think coaching might be a problem? Yea think? The OL is "gifted?" Time to go from"gifted" to productive. THAT, they ain't. Clown-lin continues to make it a 3 ring circus, in case you missed that.
 
The issue is relying on Tomlin / Meyer to coach / use a proper scheme

It's an issue that cannot be overstated considering the Steelers have rarely had good OL play throughout Tomlin's nearly two decades as coach. Seriously, maybe four or five seasons out of 18.

Bringing Meyer back seems extremely questionable on Tomlin's part, but he seems to be giving him a pass due to the injuries and having to play multiple rookies on the line last year.
 
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You still owe Jimmy $50? LMAO! You think coaching might be a problem? Yea think? The OL is "gifted?" Time to go from"gifted" to productive. THAT, they ain't. Clown-lin continues to make it a 3 ring circus, in case you missed that.
h is it about clown lin again???
What are u waiting for coolie. ?
 
It's an issue that cannot be overstated considering the Steelers have rarely had good OL play throughout Tomlin's nearly two decades as coach. Seriously, maybe four or five seasons out of 18.

Bringing Meyer back seems extremely questionable on Tomlin's part, but he seems to be giving him a pass due to the injuries and having to play multiple rookies on the line last year.
You need endless excuses for Tomlin's/Meyer's pitiful results on the OL. Only when Munch was here has it been any good.
 
Wow, that was fast. Like really fast.
 
Does that go for regulars reflexively accusing me of being an alias and hurling other personal insults after I commit the cardinal sin of disagreeing with them on football?

If I’m breaking rules, by all means ban me, but I don’t plan on bending the knee to the “community elders”, though, if we disagree.

Maybe they shouldn’t have throw the first punch if they didn’t want to get hit back, metaphorically speaking.
LMFAO. Nothing else needs said, boowhakashawn!
 
That's the Steelers record in the playoffs the last 13 years. And we are supposed to pay homage to Clown-lin? How? Why?
 
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