What I have learned from the Left

[Steeltime]

There’s a difference between museums and monuments.
There’s a difference between honoring victims and honoring war crime perpetrators.
Nobody is supporting getting rid of Gettysburg or the holocaust museum in D.C.

You don't read much, do you?

The anti-history crowd responsible for the eradication of Civil War statues and monuments around the country is destroying tourism in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.

Much of the original Gettysburg battlefield is preserved and maintained by the National Park Service. The Gettysburg History Museum, a separate entity, is also a well-frequented attraction. Or it was.

And it’s the Museum that’s publicly lamenting the damage they claim is caused by extreme revisionists. On their public Facebook page, the Gettysburg History Museum said protesters are killing tourism.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/06/anti-history-protesters-are-destroying-tourism-in-gettysburg/

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Gettysburg is the right place for Gen. Lee statues. Perfectly appropriate. While it's retarded to equate him with Hitler and "war crime perpetrators", memorializing him in the center of a town is difficult to explain, as I've said previously. That there are people protesting dumb **** is a different issue. I don't join these two things at all.

 

[Steeltime]

Gettysburg is the right place for Gen. Lee statues. Perfectly appropriate. While it's retarded to equate him with Hitler and "war crime perpetrators", memorializing him in the center of a town is difficult to explain, as I've said previously. That there are people protesting dumb **** is a different issue. I don't join these two things at all.

Here is the simple, undeniable truth. The way leftist protesters work, it is never enough. Ever. They tear down a Robt. E. Lee statue because slavery (though Lee freed his slaves well before the war was over and before slaves were freed in four Northern states - Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware). Good enough?

Of course not. So they paint over a Washington mural, tear down a Jefferson statue, cancel celebration of Jefferson's life in the town where he established the University of Virginia and built Monticello. Enough now?

Of course not. It NEVER ends with the left - EVER. Tear down Andrew Jackson statue, get Jackson off the $20 bill, replace Jackson with a figure who was historically insignificant but is black, tear down Patton memorial because racist or warmonger or family history with the Confederacy or something. Tear down Truman memorials because atomic bombs and citizens. Tear down Reagan memorials because the homeless or some other nonsense, it really does not matter.

Where does it end? It doesn't, that's the thing. It NEVER ends with the fanatics. Ever.

 

[stevielee]

Well said, the more you appease them the more they want.

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[Vader]

Captain Redlegs: We got him now. We'll get those two first, then the others.

Fletcher: What others? Wales and the kid are the last ones.

Captain Redlegs: Oh, no. Texas is full of rebels. Lots of work to do down in Texas.

Fletcher: We get Josey Wales and it ends.

Captain Redlegs: Doing right ain't got no end.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Here is the simple, undeniable truth. The way leftist protesters work, it is never enough. Ever. They tear down a Robt. E. Lee statue because slavery (though Lee freed his slaves well before the war was over and before slaves were freed in four Northern states - Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland and Delaware). Good enough?

Of course not. So they paint over a Washington mural, tear down a Jefferson statue, cancel celebration of Jefferson's life in the town where he established the University of Virginia and built Monticello. Enough now?

Of course not. It NEVER ends with the left - EVER. Tear down Andrew Jackson statue, get Jackson off the $20 bill, replace Jackson with a figure who was historically insignificant but is black, tear down Patton memorial because racist or warmonger or family history with the Confederacy or something. Tear down Truman memorials because atomic bombs and citizens. Tear down Reagan memorials because the homeless or some other nonsense, it really does not matter.

Where does it end? It doesn't, that's the thing. It NEVER ends with the fanatics. Ever.

Last post on this from me. A monument to Lee in the middle of an American town, outside of the context of a civil war museum or something similar, is understandably upsetting to a lot of people. I understand the slippery slope argument but it isn't enough IMO to keep those monuments there. You can make the same argument about the confederate flag, but if you are flying it, it probably isn't because of your love of federalism. You're probably just being a dick.

 

[hamster]

Where does it end? It doesn't, that's the thing. It NEVER ends with the fanatics. Ever.

The NRA understands this, and why they don't budge an inch.

 

[Steeltime]

Last post on this from me. A monument to Lee in the middle of an American town, outside of the context of a civil war museum or something similar, is understandably upsetting to a lot of people. I understand the slippery slope argument but it isn't enough IMO to keep those monuments there. You can make the same argument about the confederate flag, but if you are flying it, it probably isn't because of your love of federalism. You're probably just being a dick.

A statue in a public square is subject to popular opinion. I get that. But the rabid control of speech and thought by the left is a fatal, destructive disease that inevitably ends only one way - absolute repression of speech contrary to the party-in-power's beliefs.

Doubt that? Look at every government that has restricted speech - Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, China, N. Korea, Cuba, and on and on. What did they have in common? Jail for those critical of the official state views.

So a citizen can be as offended as he wants by a Lee statue, but has no right and should never have the power to tear it down. All that does is embolden these ideologues, and have them move on to the next target.

 

[Superman]

No, that's exactly what I said. You don't see statues depicting and glorifying Nazi heroes and Nazi German victories.

You want to follow Germany's lead? I'm all for it. Replace all the Confederate statues with memorials to the victims of slavery throughout the south. Erect museums and exhibits showing the atrocities suffered by our African American brothers and sisters. Perfect solution Tim, I like it.

but, why? the Nazis won Germany. They lost a World War... not Germany.
Seems you're arguing against an apple being an orange. or a Cucumber. and you know where you can put that cucumber.

 

[DBS1970]

What I have learned from leftists is they truly believe the evil of socialism is good an moral and that they will happily murder you if you will not submit to them ruling over you and every aspect of your life.

 

[madinsomniac]

The NRA understands this, and why they don't budge an inch.

The NRA has budged exactly one time... when fully automatic weapons were criminalized and they gave it their blessings because in the grand scheme of things, having personal protection differs from full scale weapons of indeterminate slaughter. So it not like they defend illogical premises to the death....

But the libs that demanded auto weapons banned soon wanted semi automatic weapons banned, and as soonas they gained some ground there they immediately started harping about handguns...

Yes slippery slopes must be avoided with illogical crusaders.

 

[Confluence]

but, why? the Nazis won Germany. They lost a World War... not Germany.
Seems you're arguing against an apple being an orange. or a Cucumber. and you know where you can put that cucumber.

up there with Uncle George's fist?

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[SteelChip]

MIAMI, FL—Experts around the country and numerous poll results revealed Wednesday evening that the decisive loser in the Democratic debate was the American people.

A poll found that an overwhelming majority of respondents believed that America lost the debates by a wide margin, with 5% of Americans believing Americans won last night and a whopping 62% stating that "oh my gosh America is doomed." 33% elected to turn off the TV and just watch neighborhood cats fight instead of watching the debate once it became clear that America was going to get decimated.

"America really needed a win out there tonight, but only fell further behind," said one commentator, adding that he didn't have "high hopes" for the country's chances moving forward. "Things are not looking good for America's prospects in the 2020 campaign at this point. If America doesn't pull out a win tonight, we can only expect America to drop out of the race entirely."

"It's not looking good. Honestly, I don't know if I can watch."

and on another note

 

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[wig]

I find it interesting that people are so completely determined to tie the civil war to slavery. Slavery was a MINOR issue in the conflicts that lead up to civil war. The greater issue was based entirely on commerce and what several of the states saw as an unfair exercising of federal authority over states rights. Sure, slavery was a component, but it WASN'T what the civil war was all about.

Likewise, WW2 was NOT about the atrocities committed by the Jews. Indeed, if Hitler had stopped invading countries when he'd retaken all of the pre WW1 territory for Germany, the world very likely would have said - "Well, it really WAS their land anyway." Indeed, that was largely the view of England AND the U.S. well into the conflict. Only France was screeching endlessly about the conquering interests of the Nazis. Chamberlain from England was MORE than happy to ignore Germany right until France decided they weren't going to provide a large land buffer between Germany and England. THEN all of a sudden **** got real.

The U.S. couldn't be bothered to give the war any thought at all. U.S. imperialists were making BANK on the Germans and had no issue whatsoever with that they were doing in Europe and Africa. Roosevelt had to trick the country into going to war by manufacturing huge anger against the Japanese. If he hadn't greenlighted the attack on Pearl Harbor the U.S. likely would not have gotten in to the war or at least they would have been years later to the show.

You can't just go tearing down monuments to history that you don't like. How will we remember our moral victories and losses if we aren't reminded of them. We don't tear down every mosque in New York because we don't like any reminders of those horrible middle-eastern folks what attacked our freedoms. (Although that is probably a pretty good metaphor for tearing down hundreds years old statues of generals and political figures.)

 

[Steelworth]

Just heard a little Pink Floyd and it made me think of this:

The Mob (err, Left)

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I find it interesting that people are so completely determined to tie the civil war to slavery. Slavery was a MINOR issue in the conflicts that lead up to civil war. The greater issue was based entirely on commerce and what several of the states saw as an unfair exercising of federal authority over states rights. Sure, slavery was a component, but it WASN'T what the civil war was all about.

The Civil War was about secession at first and only about slavery after Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation in 1863.

Likewise, WW2 was NOT about the atrocities committed by the Jews. Indeed, if Hitler had stopped invading countries when he'd retaken all of the pre WW1 territory for Germany, the world very likely would have said - "Well, it really WAS their land anyway." Indeed, that was largely the view of England AND the U.S. well into the conflict. Only France was screeching endlessly about the conquering interests of the Nazis. Chamberlain from England was MORE than happy to ignore Germany right until France decided they weren't going to provide a large land buffer between Germany and England. THEN all of a sudden **** got real.

Most of the world didn't know Jews were being exterminated until 1944.

 

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