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What, pray tell, is our offensive system?

I’d put a third option in there and hope like HellA he chose the third…..

1) retire
2) fired
3) Traded, he seeks trade and if can’t find willing team, retire or fire as 1 of 3 is going to happen.

thank You HC Mike Tomlin



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as much as that would benefit the team, I would rather see him retire and go in the booth or college. I like him warts and all and would hate to see him coach another NFL team.
 
I stopped watching the Chargers game in the 2nd quarter and went to bed.

"Yeah, it was probably 9:30 p.m. in Georgia for you so makes sense."

No, I was in LA for another trial so I went to bed at about 7:00 p.m. A much better use of my time than watching what I could see was another Tomlin masterpiece in the making. I feel sorry for the poor souls who suffered through that clownshow, and feel particularly sorry for @ZonaBurgh for spending a LOT of his time and money for the display.

Right now, I can provide a nearly endless list of things more enjoyable than watching the Steelers:

1. Reading Steeler Nation
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2,315. Vacuuming the welcome mat
2,316. Getting a head start on your 2026 tax return
2,317. Seeing how fast you can run a 1/4 mile backwards
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14,854. Watching re-runs of The View
It still enjoy it win or lose.
 
as much as that would benefit the team, I would rather see him retire and go in the booth or college. I like him warts and all and would hate to see him coach another NFL team.


I hear yaz SteelerInLeBanon, I don’t dislike the guy personally either, but those are the three options and he can choose for himself as to retire or pursue his NFL career. We don’t even know if he wants to get a “booth” job.


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I'll give you credit. You are like a pitbull on a poodle over them trading away Pickens. Even though it was never gonna work here anymore. Even though the guy, while talented, does so many dumb things. Like not block for teammates. I agree with the most of what you say, but let go of the Pickens whine.
People need to be reminded of the Steelers self sabotage. Not as bad as when they let bell and Brown walk to be replaced with Conner and Juju. Called that disaster in realtime too.
It is whiney I know, but there isn't an argument that can be made against one bit of it. it's all statistically verified, obvious to anyone watching.
They sabotaged themselves while downgrading the talent for an extra 34 million per year.
I said Metcalf was a high end WR2 and should have been paid like it. Turns out his stats are a high end WR2 low end WR1. Like they have been his entire career. He disappears for stretches and has questionable hands.
For 34 million you need to be elite.
 
as much as that would benefit the team, I would rather see him retire and go in the booth or college. I like him warts and all and would hate to see him coach another NFL team.
I don’t believe he will go to another organization to coach.
You can see how he has lost some of his fire and attention to detail, especially around game planning and young player development lately.
That tells me the man’s already retired. Bottom line is he’s getting paid a lot of money to be not all in personally with this football team.
Until Tomlin looks in the mirror really hard and gets a little religion, and stops stealing money, he will continue to coach until his contract is up.
 
People need to be reminded of the Steelers self sabotage. Not as bad as when they let bell and Brown walk to be replaced with Conner and Juju. Called that disaster in realtime too.
It is whiney I know, but there isn't an argument that can be made against one bit of it. it's all statistically verified, obvious to anyone watching.
They sabotaged themselves while downgrading the talent for an extra 34 million per year.
I said Metcalf was a high end WR2 and should have been paid like it. Turns out his stats are a high end WR2 low end WR1. Like they have been his entire career. He disappears for stretches and has questionable hands.
For 34 million you need to be elite.
They screwed the pooch. Its not even a debate at this point as far as im concerned. We have a nine game sample size that vindicates anyone who knew from the beginning it was a bad trade. It was one more year at most they had to deal with him. I can't see the team being any worse off now if he were on the team, but I can certainly see them being better. No one is complaining if the Steelers got a second or 1st for him, but they didnt and they are right back where they finished last year with a largely inept passing game and overall offense.
 
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People need to be reminded of the Steelers self sabotage. Not as bad as when they let bell and Brown walk to be replaced with Conner and Juju. Called that disaster in realtime too.
It is whiney I know, but there isn't an argument that can be made against one bit of it. it's all statistically verified, obvious to anyone watching.
They sabotaged themselves while downgrading the talent for an extra 34 million per year.
I said Metcalf was a high end WR2 and should have been paid like it. Turns out his stats are a high end WR2 low end WR1. Like they have been his entire career. He disappears for stretches and has questionable hands.
For 34 million you need to be elite.
Come on, that's very misinforming,
- Bell was offered the highest nfl contract for a RB and he decided to hold out. **** him
- AB wanted out, he was already a top paid WR in the NFL , but was batshit crazy and a locker room cancer. They had to trade him
 
Come on, that's very misinforming,
- Bell was offered the highest nfl contract for a RB and he decided to hold out. **** him
- AB wanted out, he was already a top paid WR in the NFL , but was batshit crazy and a locker room cancer. They had to trade him
In defense of Bell the fully guaranteed portion of that contract was a slap in the face. $11 million of 70 fully guaranteed?? If im not mistaken that was around the time that Kirk Cousins got 80 of his 80 million contract fully guaranteed and he was nowhere near the equivalent at the Qb position what Leveon was at his position.

I truly believe they didnt have to offer Leveon 72, but since they did they just needed to fully guarantee the 33 instead of making most of it conditional. If they had offered him the same 33 as fully guaranteed and incentivized it over 52 (which is what they should have done imo if they werent comfortable with potentially paying him 17 mil a year) I believe he would have taken it. Without actually having heard why he didnt sign the contract this makes the most sense to me why he didnt sign it more so then because it wasnt 17 mil a year.
 
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In defense of Bell the fully guaranteed portion of that contract was a slap in the face. $11 million of 70 fully guaranteed?? If im not mistaken that was around the time that Kirk Cousins got 80 of his 80 million contract fully guaranteed and he was nowhere near the equivalent at the Qb position what Leveon was at his position.

I truly believe they didnt have to offer Leveon 72, but since they did they just needed to fully guarantee the 33 instead of making most of it conditional. If they had offered him the same 33 as fully guaranteed and incentivized it over 52 (which is what they should have done imo if they werent comfortable with potentially paying him 17 mil a year) I believe he would have taken it. Without actually having heard why he didnt sign the contract this makes the most sense to me why he didnt sign it more so then because it wasnt 17 mil a year.
That contract was fine. He would have ultimately gotten more had he signed that and just played 3 years of it than he did with the Jets.... he gave up that whole season of pay sitting out... he lost money chasing money..
 
That contract was fine. He would have ultimately gotten more had he signed that and just played 3 years of it than he did with the Jets.... he gave up that whole season of pay sitting out... he lost money chasing money..
Contract is fine if youre playing a sport where the likelihood of one play ending your career is relatively low. He obviously cant see 3-5 years into the future. In football hazard pay is vital especially in Bells case who touched the ball so much. You need as much of that contract fully guaranteed as possible. You're commenting from a fan/ownership standpoint. Not from the other side. Remember Tomlin used to run these rbs till the wheels fell off...in a single season! which is probably why Warren isnt seeing the same activity although its more likely because of a AS issue.
 
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How the **** would bubbles even be able to communicate to the team…………..

Imagine him getting really pissed and screaming ONLY to have a giant bubble come out………. !!!!




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At least you can tell Bubbles is watching the same game that we are.
 
That contract was fine. He would have ultimately gotten more had he signed that and just played 3 years of it than he did with the Jets.... he gave up that whole season of pay sitting out... he lost money chasing money..
Yep. He was franchise tagged and chose to sit out the season. So he threw 11-14 million,i forget the amount, in the trash can and got nothing.

Brilliant move!
 
Contract is fine if youre playing a sport where the likelihood of one play ending your career is relatively low. He obviously cant see 3-5 years into the future. In football hazard pay is vital especially in Bells case who touched the ball so much. You need as much of that contract fully guaranteed as possible. You're commenting from a fan/ownership standpoint. Not from the other side. Remember Tomlin used to run these rbs till the wheels fell off...in a single season! which is probably why Warren isnt seeing the same activity although its more likely because of a AS issue.
The contract is fine if you understand playing for the team that drafted you and a system where you thrive opposed to going to a team with no loyalty to you and generally a terrible franchise that has no clue what it's doing.
 
They screwed the pooch. Its not even a debate at this point as far as im concerned. We have a nine game sample size that vindicates anyone who knew from the beginning it was a bad trade. It was one more year at most they had to deal with him. I can't see the team being any worse off now if he were on the team, but I can certainly see them being better. No one is complaining if the Steelers got a second or 1st for him, but they didnt and they are right back where they finished last year with a largely inept passing game and overall offense.
There is 0% chance Rodgers doesn't boost GP playmaking ability compared to the guys he's had at QB including Dak.

Instead the Steelers are 32 million in the hole for a downgrade at the position, and a broken offense we all saw coming.
Thats what they deserve for thinking a Mid teir WR and a gang of WR#4's was gonna cut it.

We are a few losses from the locker room descending into a blame game of finger pointing.
 
Come on, that's very misinforming,
- Bell was offered the highest nfl contract for a RB and he decided to hold out. **** him
- AB wanted out, he was already a top paid WR in the NFL , but was batshit crazy and a locker room cancer. They had to trade him
Bell was offered a low guarantee cheapskate contract. Ben straight up called out the Cheap a** Rooneys for being lowballers.
AB and Bell were league Best.
Bell was lowballed and AB was disrespected when the Steelers made JuJu MVP in 2018.
Brown did have a right to be mad, he was obviously the far superior talent and his contributions to the Steeler offense will never be matched. Same with Bell.
Steelers will never have talent like either of those guys individually, let alone on the same field,
Tomlin, the defense and the Rooney's blew it.

Steelers replaced them for bargain basement guys and the rest is history.
The offense has been trash since they left.
The Rooneys saved money and the Steelers have become a joke with zero shot of another ring.

Anything else is misinformation and fly's in the face of fact and history.
 
The contract is fine if you understand playing for the team that drafted you and a system where you thrive opposed to going to a team with no loyalty to you and generally a terrible franchise that has no clue what it's doing.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree whether 11 million fully guaranteed on a 70 mil contract is loyalty. What system he could thrive in has very little to do with the money side of things. The money side is the most business part of this deal not offensive play schemes.
 
Bell was offered a low guarantee cheapskate contract. Ben straight up called out the Cheap a** Rooneys for being lowballers.
AB and Bell were league Best.
Bell was lowballed and AB was disrespected when the Steelers made JuJu MVP in 2018.
Brown did have a right to be mad, he was obviously the far superior talent and his contributions to the Steeler offense will never be matched. Same with Bell.
Steelers will never have talent like either of those guys individually, let alone on the same field,
Tomlin, the defense and the Rooney's blew it.

Steelers replaced them for bargain basement guys and the rest is history.
The offense has been trash since they left.
The Rooneys saved money and the Steelers have become a joke with zero shot of another ring.

Anything else is misinformation and fly's in the face of fact and history.
Nope,
Bell: Highest contract for a RB in NFL history yet he was lowballed? BS

AB: he flew over the cuckoos nest, cancer room I say.

If you think those two didn't dig their own careers graves you are out of your mind and this conversation is pointless. Have a nice weekend
 
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Contract is fine if youre playing a sport where the likelihood of one play ending your career is relatively low. In football hazard pay is vital especially in Bells case who touched the ball so much. You need as much of that contract fully guaranteed as possible. You're commenting from a fan/ownership standpoint. Not from the other side. Remember Tomlin used to run these rbs till the wheels fell off which is probably why Warren isnt seeing the same activity.
The deal they offered Bell would have give him 33 million between the signing bonus and the first two years. He could have gotten cut year 3, but he would have made 33 million and gotten a shot at another moderately big money deal before he aged out... instead he sat out his age 26 season, earned 0 dollars, signed a deal with the jets where he only made 27 million dollars before he was cut at age 28

It was a terrible idea to hold out and force his way out. He absolutely lost money

Also teams cant easily cut injured players while they are still hurt without an injury settlement. If he had gotten a career ending type injury in the first year, he almost certainly would have to be carried on IR the next season because those injuries dont typically get medical clearance to get cut before that season..

Look at how Shazier played out...

That arguement was just a lane excuse for Bell making a boneheaded move out of greed and stupidity

I liked Bell... but he was way off base with that move
 
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree whether 11 million fully guaranteed on a 70 mil contract is loyalty. What system he could thrive in has very little to do with the money side of things. The money side is the most business part of this deal not offensive play schemes.
Huge difference if you get to play out most or all of your contract vs. getting cut
 
Nope,
Bell: Highest contract for a RB in NFL history yet he was lowballed? BS

AB: he flew over the cuckoos nest, cancer room I say.

If you think those two didn't dig their own careers graves you are out of your mind and this conversation is pointless. Have a nice weekend
It was a low garunteed amount. The totals are just window dressing for fools who do not understand the difference between a gaudy # and real garunteed $.
 
Bell was offered a low guarantee cheapskate contract. Ben straight up called out the Cheap a** Rooneys for being lowballers.
AB and Bell were league Best.
Bell was lowballed and AB was disrespected when the Steelers made JuJu MVP in 2018.
Brown did have a right to be mad, he was obviously the far superior talent and his contributions to the Steeler offense will never be matched. Same with Bell.
Steelers will never have talent like either of those guys individually, let alone on the same field,
Tomlin, the defense and the Rooney's blew it.

Steelers replaced them for bargain basement guys and the rest is history.
The offense has been trash since they left.
The Rooneys saved money and the Steelers have become a joke with zero shot of another ring.

Anything else is misinformation and fly's in the face of fact and history.
But Bell didn't do better when he signed with the Jets. And that was the only team interested. There wasn't a bidding war for his services and he lost a lot of money. The Rooney's were just going with the RB market. It sucks for RBs, but that's the way it has been. It's a shame, because I was watching highlights from that era the other day. He was a great player, and you almost forget.

The players vote for team MVP. Maybe they were trying to make a point? Maybe they were tired of his shiit? Kinda like Pickens last year.

Your argument is weak making this about the Rooney's being cheap. There are so many other issues involved. The strength of your argument is they didn't replace with talent closer to what they lost.
 
So this has been bothering me...
We give a lot of lip service to being a run first team... but we really arent. The Arthur Smith System is typically based in 2Te sets with the QB under center, but we seem to run a bunch of sporadic shotgun spread sets we absolutely arent staffed for.
The Oline scheme is some passive nonsense that isnt great in the run game..

I just dont get the vision... all the short quick wrs might be ok in an up tempo game that played a lot of crossing abd slant stuff, but we dont do that...

Im just failing to really grasp their grand plan... when the run gane works, they abandon it, when it doesnt, they run into brick walls... its kind of stupid

Arthur Smith System......
 
Arthur Smith System......
The thing is they aren't running the Arthur Smith System. It is some kind of hybrid to accommodate older QBs who like to do stuff their way. I don't think we really know what the system is. And maybe his system sucks, but I don't think we really have gotten a true look at it.
 
The thing is they aren't running the Arthur Smith System. It is some kind of hybrid to accommodate older QBs who like to do stuff their way. I don't think we really know what the system is. And maybe his system sucks, but I don't think we really have gotten a true look at it.
Yeah Rodgers and Tomlin like shotgun spread stuff.. Smith wants the QB under center with two or 3 TEs and sometimes a fullback or Hback... its a mashup of both
 
But Bell didn't do better when he signed with the Jets. And that was the only team interested. There wasn't a bidding war for his services and he lost a lot of money. The Rooney's were just going with the RB market. It sucks for RBs, but that's the way it has been. It's a shame, because I was watching highlights from that era the other day. He was a great player, and you almost forget.

The players vote for team MVP. Maybe they were trying to make a point? Maybe they were tired of his shiit? Kinda like Pickens last year.

Your argument is weak making this about the Rooney's being cheap. There are so many other issues involved. The strength of your argument is they didn't replace with talent closer to what they lost.
I wasn't arguing the Rooneys being cheap, I'm nobody, but when Big Ben called them out for being cheap his podcast on numerous occasions. There is no argument.

Bell didn't ever look the same after he left Pittsburgh, he averaged 129 scrimmage yards per game as a Steeler for his entire time here. That has never been done, will never be matched in the NFL let alone another Steeler player.
Antonio Brown had the most yards and receptions in History in the same six year span as Bell.
Just makes me sick to think about what they had compared to now. And they squandered it.
Pickens situation just reopens old wounds, its like de ja vu. trading Pickens killed the offense.
Steelers are never winning with this Joke of a Coach and front office. Paying do nothing DK 34 million and a bunch of washed up guys on defense, led by a bunch of clowns that have failed upwards the last half decade. Get some real coordinators.
 
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