I still put Mean Joe and rest of steel curtain, Blount, Harris, Lambert, Webster, Ham as way less replaceable then Bradshaw and his 52 percent passing and 250 attempts per season.
Which Steelers QB1 Was Better? Ben Roethlisberger or Terry Bradshaw?
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Back in my day,it was like KonaGold,Panama Red,Maui Wowie.
What kind of **** are you smokin’ out there in Saskatoon These days?
Sure are all over the place in this thread. As many have said.....it’s impossible to compare realistically.
Basically you have called Terry stupid,John slow and overrated,Gretzky the GOAT,but now not even average.
All to fit your own idiotic narrative. You’re like those clickbait article writers we love to criticize.
Gretzky had eyes in the back of his head and an instinct unmatched. Transformed the game. Not that long ago. He would do quite fine today. Unbelievable. And I was a Mario guy.
Terry and Ben were very similar. Terry had a cannon just like Ben. Terry threw countless bonehead interceptions just like Ben. Terry took huge dirty hits and got up,tough as nails......just like Ben. Terry’s intelligence factor on the field was questioned many times......just like Ben’s. Terry had a great supporting cast. I really believe that Ben was surrounded by a great supporting cast as well,but didn’t win as much with them. While Ben had some great playoff games,take a close look. He was also a huge disappointment in quite a few. Those teams left much on the table.
Ben and Terry were both huge talents,much maligned,and much missed by their fans. Both HOF. We were lucky.
First. Grape Escape occasionally. And no I have not been all over. It's been one argument.
Ben could play in the 70s cause he was tough enough. All of the Steelers could play now including Terry if they were born into it. But no ****** way if you somehow transported.
As far as Gretzky his playmaking and vision were created by his ability to play on the edges of his blades which basically no one else could do and now everyone can do as well. He was neither strong nor fast. He skated around pylons. There are no pylons anymore.
Ben could play in the 70s cause he was tough enough. All of the Steelers could play now including Terry if they were born into it. But no ****** way if you somehow transported.
As far as Gretzky his playmaking and vision were created by his ability to play on the edges of his blades which basically no one else could do and now everyone can do as well. He was neither strong nor fast. He skated around pylons. There are no pylons anymore.
Last I've got to say. Go back and watch it for yourself. Watch Steelers Cowboys. Watch Oilers Islanders or whatever. Tell me how it compares.
so do you have a response yet on which of Terry's TD passes in the SB were truly do or die? final minutes while behind in the game?
JHC. That’s my whole point. You can’t compare. If Terry would have been born same year as Ben......went through minor,high school,university football,with the same training ,coaching , film studying, nutrition,competition,and everything else that goes with it, he would have been faster,stronger blah,blah ,blah. And maybe not. It’s a different era. You just don’t know.
Damn straight.
To the person who alluded that Ben couldn't thrive in the 70s NFL, just watched a video recently called "Backyard Ben" where he was tossing DL and LBs off of him, scrambling around and basically making their lives miserable.
It's laughable to me, anybody who thinks Ben couldn't thrive then.
It's laughable to me, anybody who thinks Ben couldn't thrive then.
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Even Roger Staubach was a 57% completion rate passer back then. Saying that, I can't put one ahead of the other. Terry won 4 and probably would have won 5 in 6 seasons if Franco and Rocky were not injured in '77. Ben won 2 SB's in his first 7 seasons and played in another. He also went 14-1 in his rookie year. If not for the cheating Pats, He might have won another SB or two. It's a push.
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Only I said it better.
Losing to the Rams 19-17 before the beautiful TD Pass to Stallworth.
Again Ben had the advantage of throwing his TD pass while in chip shot FG range which minimizes the do or die aspect. Bradshaw was better than Ben and it's not close. Ben is mediocre in the playoffs and his playoff numbers are well below his regular season numbers. Bradshaw's playoff numbers dwarf his regular season records. Terry was the best big game QB of all time. Ben was not.
Yep Ben would have thrives in that era just like Terry would have been incredible in this QB friendly era.
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Ben was one of the greatest clutch QBs to ever play.
It’s not an accurate representation of his career the Super Bowl 45 performance and I think that game really changed what the perception of his career should have been.
Even the 2017 team that really should have been Super Bowl champs & he put up 42 points… is that on him? No, but perception is…
Gretzky and Lemieux are not exactly poster children for strength and conditioning. High school football kids have better weight room stats than those two.
Hard to say with Bradshaw. Not much is really talked about the Steelers 1970’s strength and conditioning. Strength and conditioning in sports is still relatively new. As all the nutrition and stuff wasn’t really big until what the 80’s or 90’s?
I felt that way with Baltimore too. Like the Steelers gave them too much respect at times. Just go in and whoop some ***
there were still something like 10 minutes to go in the 4th when he made that pass. Hardly a do or die situation.
there was a lot of time left. Terry hits Stallworth for the long TD on a 3rd down play
they trade punts and then the rams are driving when Ferragamo is picked off by Lambert with just over 5 minutes to go in the game. Steelers drive down aided by another long pass to Stallworth and a PI call sets them up at the one and Harris scores on third down to seal the game.
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| 4 | 15:00 | 1 | 10 | RAM 17 | Wendell Tyler for no gain (tackle by Robin Cole) | 19 | 17 | -0.060 | -0.580 |
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| 4 | 14:30 | 2 | 10 | RAM 17 | Vince Ferragamo sacked by Steve Furness for -8 yards | 19 | 17 | -0.580 | -2.360 |
| 4 | 14:00 | 3 | 18 | RAM 9 | Cullen Bryant for 14 yards (tackle by Jack Lambert) | 19 | 17 | -2.360 | -1.830 |
| 4 | 13:30 | 4 | 4 | RAM 23 | Ken Clark punts 59 yards | 19 | 17 | -1.830 | -0.610 |
| 4 | 12:59 | 1 | 10 | PIT 25 | Franco Harris for 2 yards (tackle by Bob Brudzinski) | 19 | 17 | 0.610 | 0.330 |
| 4 | 12:37 | 2 | 8 | PIT 27 | Terry Bradshaw pass incomplete intended for Sidney Thornton | 19 | 17 | 0.330 | -0.360 |
| 4 | 12:15 | 3 | 8 | PIT 27 | Terry Bradshaw pass complete to John Stallworth for 73 yards, touchdown | 19 | 23 | -0.360 | 7.000 |
| 4 | Matt Bahr kicks extra point good | 19 | 24 | 0.000 | 0.000 |
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Ben was better. He just was. Disagree? Then f.u.c.k. you. Mothaf.u.c.ka!
Yeah I got eyes I can see as well.
For me it is comparing 1A to 1B. But saying that with Ben number 3 on all time 4th quarter comebacks he gets my nod. And I watched both QBs and loved both...
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