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Wow, Belichick and NE parting ways.

SteelerSask2 said:
I like the way Vrabel coaches better. He played in the NFL and is off Belichik tree. In my opinion in his time in the NFL as a head coach he has gotten a lot closer to where I want this team to be. He doesn't have the same body of work because his owner doesn't have infinite patience for mediocrity.
As far as Carroll their outcomes are probably pretty much lock step. However I watch the Seahawks with sone level of interest. Their guys often get coached up and improve with better assistant coaches.
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Hey, I like Vrabel too. He is a guy I can think of that I'd like to see coach the Steelers because I think he would have credibility in the locker room. However, while I like Vrabel, you said it, he has really produced mediocrity. I think he could be really good in a better situation, but your are who your record says at this point.

And you may be right about Carroll. However, you are not passionate about them like the Steelers, so perhaps you can look at them differently. You oughta hear this guy at work, though. He'd be arguing with everything you said there. I got a text yesterday with 'Carroll is out!!!!" He is so excited. Are you gonna say he's wrong? If so, is everyone who thinks Tomlin is great and all of us are wrong...could we be wrong?
 
diver said:
Hey, I like Vrabel too. He is a guy I can think of that I'd like to see coach the Steelers because I think he would have credibility in the locker room. However, while I like Vrabel, you said it, he has really produced mediocrity. I think he could be really good in a better situation, but your are who your record says at this point.

And you may be right about Carroll. However, you are not passionate about them like the Steelers, so perhaps you can look at them differently. You oughta hear this guy at work, though. He'd be arguing with everything you said there. I got a text yesterday with 'Carroll is out!!!!" He is so excited. Are you gonna say he's wrong? If so, is everyone who thinks Tomlin is great and all of us are wrong...could we be wrong?
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I think we all know our team quite well. So I respect your friends opinion. I will say this. Pete Carroll won the power struggle with Wilson and the team got a huge haul of talented picks and Wilson looks done. If he feels that they are at the same place as the Steelers I respect that. I don't think Tomlin is a ****** coach. I just don't believe he will win another championship in Pittsburgh.
 
I think Bill will call it a day. He won't go to a collage program that us a completely different animal. He won't want to go to a loser franchise. I wonder if a guy like that would ever want to just be a DC for a good team or he is such a control freak that isn't possible.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I think Belichick, Vrabel and Carroll are all vastly better coaches than Tomlin. They are all gone and Tomlin will get another contract.
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Allow me to disagree, despite my dislike for Tomlin and his lack of production with an overload of talent he still gets results when he lacks it. Bellicheats resume is a result of Brady + cheating, when missing either of those variables his teams were non competitive.

Is Tomlin better? Don't know but he isn't worse than Lord Hoodie
 
So, has billicheat actually been officially ousted?


Salute the nation
 
Bluesteel said:
Big difference is, Tomlin inherited a SB team and Carroll built one. Tomlin has shown no ability to build anything more than a 10 win, one and done team. Carroll has had less time and has more recently won a SB and went in back to back seasons, being one more thought out call from repeating and he’s done already.
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Indisputable facts.
 
Now of course the media is sucking up to cheat upon his departure. Not one will mention the extensive cheating. Little puppets , godell will be proud.
 
Litos said:
Allow me to disagree, despite my dislike for Tomlin and his lack of production with an overload of talent he still gets results when he lacks it. Bellicheats resume is a result of Brady + cheating, when missing either of those variables his teams were non competitive.

Is Tomlin better? Don't know but he isn't worse than Lord Hoodie
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I cannot measure the effect of cheating had. Neither can you. I do know Michigan just won a national title. That aside does Noll win 4 titles without those players. How did he do after they were gone?
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I cannot measure the effect of cheating had. Neither can you. I do know Michigan just won a national title. That aside does Noll win 4 titles without those players. How did he do after they were gone?
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Noll won a playoff game and made it to the AFCCG with Mark Malone and won a playoff game with Bubby Brister.
 
Coryea said:
Noll won a playoff game and made it to the AFCCG with Mark Malone and won a playoff game with Bubby Brister.
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Game information
  • Scoring
    • PIT – Worley 9 run (Anderson kick) PIT 7–0
    • HOU – FG Zendejas 26 PIT 7–3
    • HOU – FG Zendejas 35 PIT 7–6
    • PIT – FG Anderson 25 PIT 10–6
    • HOU – FG Zendejas 26 PIT 10–9
    • PIT – FG Anderson 30 PIT 13–9
    • PIT – FG Anderson 40 PIT 16–9
    • HOU – Givins 18 pass from Moon (Zendejas kick) Tie 16–16
    • HOU – Givins 9 pass from Moon (Zendejas kick) HOU 23–16
    • PIT – Hoge 2 run (Anderson kick) Tie 23–23
    • PIT – FG Anderson 50 PIT 26–23
Pittsburgh cornerback Rod Woodson recovered a fumble to set up Gary Anderson's winning 50-yard field goal in overtime to give Pittsburgh the win.

Houston took the opening kickoff and drove to the Steelers 40-yard line, but were stopped there and Tony Zendejas missed a 55-yard field goal. Later in the quarter, Steelers rookie Jerry Olsavsky blocked a punt from Greg Montgomery and Pittsburgh recovered on the Oilers 23. Eventually facing fourth and 1 on the Houston 9-yard line, Steelers coach Chuck Noll decided to go for the first down. This paid off as running back Tim Worley took a pitch and ran all the way to the end zone, evading linebacker Robert Lyles and plowing right through safety Bubba McDowell on the way to a 7–0 Steelers lead with 2:36 left in the first quarter.

Houston responded on their next drive, moving the ball 96 yards to the Steelers 3-yard line, but could go no further and settled for a 26-yard Zendejas field goal. Then McDowell recovered a fumble from Worley on the Pittsburgh 41. From there the Oilers advanced to the 17-yard line, but when faced with fourth and 1 they decided to settle for another Zendejas field goal, cutting the score to 7–6. Pittsburgh struck back with a drive to the Oilers 9, featured a 49-yard run by Merril Hoge. However, they also ended up facing fourth and 1, and would settle for an Anderson field goal to put them up 10–6 going into halftime.

The field goal battle continued in the third quarter, with Zendejas kicking one more and Anderson adding another two, making the score 16–9 at the start of the fourth quarter. But quarterback Warren Moon finally got his team to the end zone with a 10-play, 80-yard drive to score on his 18-yard touchdown pass to Ernest Givins that tied the game. Following a Pittsburgh three-and-out, Harry Newsome's punt went just 25 yards to the Steelers 38-yard line. From there it took just five plays for Houston to take their first lead of the game, scoring on Moon's 9-yard pass touchdown pass to Givins that put them up 23–16 with 5:16 left in regulation. Starting from their own 18 after the kickoff, Pittsburgh drove 82 yards, featuring a 22-yard run by receiver Dwight Stone (the only time he touched the ball all game) on a reverse play, to score on Hoge's 2-yard touchdown run with 46 seconds left, tying the game and sending it into overtime.

Pittsburgh won the coin toss and received the ball first, but were quickly forced to punt, and another short kick from Newsome gave Houston the ball with great field position on the Steelers 45-yard line. On the Oilers first play, Moon handed the ball off to Lorenzo White, who was quickly leveled by Woodson and defensive end Tim Johnson, causing a fumble that Woodson recovered and returned four yards to the Oilers 46. From there, Pittsburgh could gain just 13 yards with a few Hoge carries before facing a fourth down. But it was enough for Anderson to kick a 50-yard field goal, his longest attempt of the season, which he sent perfectly through the uprights to give the Steelers the win.[4]

Hoge finished the game with 100 rushing yards on just 17 carries, along with three receptions for 26 yards. Moon threw for 315 yards and two touchdowns. Givins caught 11 passes for 136 yards. Pittsburgh won despite being outgained in total yards 380–289. Oilers coach Jerry Glanville was fired a few days after this game. This was a particularly satisfying win for the Steelers, who had started the season with a 51–0 loss to Cleveland and a 41–10 loss to Cincinnati. They had been shutout three times, outgained by their opponents in ten consecutive games, and had to recover from a 4–6 record to get into the playoffs by winning five of their last six games.

This was the third postseason meeting between the Steelers and Oilers. Pittsburgh won both previous meetings.[3]
 
SteelerSask2 said:
I think Belichick, Vrabel and Carroll are all vastly better coaches than Tomlin. They are all gone and Tomlin will get another contract.
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All because Rooney can't stand change; "you have to move a whole family in when you change coaches."
 
Lunar said:
Hoge finished the game with 100 rushing yards on just 17 carries, along with three receptions for 26 yards. Moon threw for 315 yards and two touchdowns. Givins caught 11 passes for 136 yards. Pittsburgh won despite being outgained in total yards 380–289. Oilers coach Jerry Glanville was fired a few days after this game. This was a particularly satisfying win for the Steelers, who had started the season with a 51–0 loss to Cleveland and a 41–10 loss to Cincinnati. They had been shutout three times, outgained by their opponents in ten consecutive games, and had to recover from a 4–6 record to get into the playoffs by winning five of their last six games.
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One of the best Steeler games I ever watched.
 
Well one less coach to feed Shades his lunch and out coach him in the AFC.....

If you can't beat'em, just wait till they retire!
 
Carroll is better than Tomlin? Can you imagine the screaming around here if Tomlin ever called a pass on the 1 yard line instead of handing the ball to Lynch 🤣. And Vrabel - not sure where he'd have been without Henry. I'd put him a little below Tomlin as HC. I'd take him as DC in a heartbeat though.
 
You think the season was over with all this talk about other teams and coaches and BS
We are one game away going to Baltimore
 
TimesHaveChanged said:
You think the season was over with all this talk about other teams and coaches and BS
We are one game away going to Baltimore
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I really don't know how anyone could watch this team for all 17 games and view them as a legit contender. Could they win Sunday. Yes. They couod. I'd place it 60-40 they lose. I'd say less than 10 percent they go further than that. They just are not a contending team.
 
It doesn't matter what you think the odds are. 1% id enough for me. Ask yourself if you like the team or you like winning
 
TimesHaveChanged said:
It doesn't matter what you think the odds are. 1% id enough for me. Ask yourself if you like the team or you like winning
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We like both. The team and winning.
 
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