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Your All Time Steelers Lineup

Drink IRON City said:
The odds of Randy Johnson hitting you are pretty slim……………

The odds of Jerome Bettis putting you in the hospital is G-iganguss

I was a pretty good Baseball player as well, I’d still not want to tackle the bus open field.

All good SIR !!!



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Well would you rather have the Bus run into you full speed with shorts and a T on or get hit in the head by Johnson?
 
Drink IRON City said:
The odds of Randy Johnson hitting you are pretty slim……………

The odds of Jerome Bettis putting you in the hospital is G-iganguss

I was a pretty good Baseball player as well, I’d still not want to tackle the bus open field.

All good SIR !!!



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Polambertberger said:
Well would you rather have the Bus run into you full speed with shorts and a T on or get hit in the head by Johnson?
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See above post #75...................................................... :rolleyes:


You seem to be interested in what I'm wearing......................... NO dual G-strings today as I have a lot of walking miles to put and they seem to rub my inner crack raw........

will keep you posted if there is a change up.....

PS Johnson wouldn't hit me in the head, at that era age........ I had great reflexive action.






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WindyCitySteel said:
The 1978 team.
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Drink IRON City said:
See above post #75...................................................... :rolleyes:


You seem to be interested in what I'm wearing......................... NO dual G-strings today as I have a lot of walking miles to put and they seem to rub my inner crack raw........

will keep you posted if there is a change up.....

PS Johnson wouldn't hit me in the head, at that era age........ I had great reflexive action.






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I don't know you took shorts and a t shirt and went to g strings and your butt crack

That scares me lol
 
Drink IRON City said:
Bell’s sour apples at the end tainted his legacy to more degree than one would think.

I’m not dissing the Bell, but also realize we won nothing with him.

That little “delayed run” would have been swallowed up in a heart-beat back in Franco’s Era.

Again, I’m not dissing the Bell as he was pretty good for a short period, had he finished his career here….HOF.

Coaching failed that Era of the killer B’s, unfortunately the Bell was included in that Era.




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You don't think NFL defenses are bigger stronger and faster than they were in Franco's era?
In fairness players should be judged by how they performed on the field at their best.
Bumlin would have lost with Brady, Moss and Bo Jackson. SMH
 
bigben said:
You don't think NFL defenses are bigger stronger and faster than they were in Franco's era?
In fairness players should be judged by how they performed on the field at their best.
Bumlin would have lost with Brady, Moss and Bo Jackson. SMH
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The defenses probably are. So are the offenses. So are the players. I would argue while that may be the case, in Franco's era the defenses were better at fundemental tackling, because they did it all the time. In Franco's era you could do things on defense you cannot today.

I thought Bell was a heck of a player. But Franco is a HOFer. The only way Bell gets there is if he buys a ticket like you and me. It's a shame, because if he wasn't an idiot, who knows? Again, my main objection is the "not even close." Even if you think Bell is better, it's close. I'd still take Franco or Bettis over him...you didn't have worry about them flaking out.
 
diver said:
The defenses probably are. So are the offenses. So are the players. I would argue while that may be the case, in Franco's era the defenses were better at fundemental tackling, because they did it all the time. In Franco's era you could do things on defense you cannot today.

I thought Bell was a heck of a player. But Franco is a HOFer. The only way Bell gets there is if he buys a ticket like you and me. It's a shame, because if he wasn't an idiot, who knows? Again, my main objection is the "not even close." Even if you think Bell is better, it's close. I'd still take Franco or Bettis over him...you didn't have worry about
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diver said:
The defenses probably are. So are the offenses. So are the players. I would argue while that may be the case, in Franco's era the defenses were better at fundemental tackling, because they did it all the time. In Franco's era you could do things on defense you cannot today.

I thought Bell was a heck of a player. But Franco is a HOFer. The only way Bell gets there is if he buys a ticket like you and me. It's a shame, because if he wasn't an idiot, who knows? Again, my main objection is the "not even close." Even if you think Bell is better, it's close. I'd still take Franco or Bettis over him...you didn't have worry about them flaking out.
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Im not gonna go watch film of Franco and Bell and compare the two and my memory of Franco is sketchy......its been a long f-ing time since I watched him and I put Franco on my all time list because well hes Franco and he's a HOFer and he was good but when I really just look objectively at stats Bell makes a case for being the superior back if you are looking at pure peak period. I quickly added up total yardage for Franco on his 3 best years.......hes around 4200........Bell is at 6000 f-ing thousand. Bells 2014 All Pro year he had 2200 scrimmage yards (and had 2 other seasons around 1900).

If I took those 2 players and then ranked the very best individual years of those 2 players. Bell might have the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd best year between the two and then Franco would have 4th through 12 or whatever because Bell got injured, sat out like a moron, smoked weed and his career was much shorter. But seriously did Franco ever have a Bell 2014, or 2016, or 2017 year? So who was the better back?

If we want to say 3 year peak I'd say Bell was the better player hands down but a decade Bell doesn't even qualify. Take your love for a great man out of the convo and objectively weigh the talent of an idiot basically lol
 
Polambertberger said:
Im not gonna go watch film of Franco and Bell and compare the two and my memory of Franco is sketchy......its been a long f-ing time since I watched him and I put Franco on my all time list because well hes Franco and he's a HOFer and he was good but when I really just look objectively at stats Bell makes a case for being the superior back if you are looking at pure peak period. I quickly added up total yardage for Franco on his 3 best years.......hes around 4200........Bell is at 6000 f-ing thousand. Bells 2014 All Pro year he had 2200 scrimmage yards (and had 2 other seasons around 1900).

If I took those 2 players and then ranked the very best individual years of those 2 players. Bell might have the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd best year between the two and then Franco would have 4th through 12 or whatever because Bell got injured, sat out like a moron, smoked weed and his career was much shorter. But seriously did Franco ever have a Bell 2014, or 2016, or 2017 year? So who was the better back?

If we want to say 3 year peak I'd say Bell was the better player hands down but a decade Bell doesn't even qualify. Take your love for a great man out of the convo and objectively weigh the talent of an idiot basically lol
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You can't compare based on total yards their best years. The game was different and for the first half of Franco's career there were two fewer games per season. Most of the difference between Bell and Harris is receiving yards. The passing game was a lot more prominent when Bell played, compared to Harris.
 
Aussie_Steeler said:
You can't compare based on total yards their best years. The game was different and for the first half of Franco's career there were two fewer games per season. Most of the difference between Bell and Harris is receiving yards. The passing game was a lot more prominent when Bell played, compared to Harris.
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good point about the less games and different eras so let's compare apples with apples

Let's first look at francos peak period
1974 to 1979 and where Franco ranked against his contemporaries in the NFL

1974 Franco 8th scrimmage yards with 1206
1st was 1812
1975 Franco 4th with 1460
1st was 2,243
1976 Franco 11th with 1,279
1st was 1,762
1977 Franco was 9th with 1224
1st was 2,121
1978 Franco was 15th with 1,226
1st was 1,875
1979 Franco was 10th with 1,446
1st was 2,006

Now one year in 1976 Rocky Blier had 1,036 yards so some would say well how about that? Franco had 289 carries that year. He had 262 the year before and 310 the year after. They just ran the ball more because of Terry's injuries..Of note blier had a 4.2 ypc vs 4.1 for Franco. Yes rocky blier had a better ypc than Franco that year.....both with a lot of carries

So Franco in his era in that era of offensive football he ranked 8th, 4th, 11th, 9th, 15th, and 10th in the league and his totals were quite distant from the leader

Let's look at Bells 3 big years with the Steeler (he had a 4 year run but he had the knee issue 6 games into the 2015 season so I can only look at 3 full peak years

2014 Bell was 2nd with 2,215 scrimmage yards
1st was 2,261

2016 Bell was 3rd with 1,884
1st was 2,118

2017 Bell was 2nd with 1,946 yards
1st was 2,093

So Bell in those 3 years was 2nd, 3rd, and 2nd and his total yards was close to the leader


So yeah better human being..... Franco harris by a landslide. Better career Franco harris by a landslide

But in those 3 years when Bell was the man in Pittsburgh he was at the very top of the NFL at his position. Franco.......not so much.

Franco racked up a lot of yards over a longer career, won 4 SBs and was a great guy and beloved but peak 3 year Bell vs peak 6 Harris......I'd say Bell was the better back and frankly I'd don't think it's close
 
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diver said:
The defenses probably are. So are the offenses. So are the players. I would argue while that may be the case, in Franco's era the defenses were better at fundemental tackling, because they did it all the time. In Franco's era you could do things on defense you cannot today.

I thought Bell was a heck of a player. But Franco is a HOFer. The only way Bell gets there is if he buys a ticket like you and me. It's a shame, because if he wasn't an idiot, who knows? Again, my main objection is the "not even close." Even if you think Bell is better, it's close. I'd still take Franco or Bettis over him...you didn't have worry about them flaking out.
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Franco’s Era was a run first Era as well, plus way way more vicious.

Franco stepped out of bounds to preserve is right to fight another day and to keep from getting “Brass knuckled” at the bottom of the pile.

Of course today’s players are bigger / faster / stronger, but also have a lot of rules ensuring their “safety”, something Franco didn’t enjoy back then.

Again, Bell was a very good player but his stupidity erased his career and HOF validity.





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diver said:
The defenses probably are. So are the offenses. So are the players. I would argue while that may be the case, in Franco's era the defenses were better at fundemental tackling, because they did it all the time. In Franco's era you could do things on defense you cannot today.

I thought Bell was a heck of a player. But Franco is a HOFer. The only way Bell gets there is if he buys a ticket like you and me. It's a shame, because if he wasn't an idiot, who knows? Again, my main objection is the "not even close." Even if you think Bell is better, it's close. I'd still take Franco or Bettis over him...you didn't have worry about them flaking out.
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I can agree with better teammate, more durable etc.
Polambertberger said:
Im not gonna go watch film of Franco and Bell and compare the two and my memory of Franco is sketchy......its been a long f-ing time since I watched him and I put Franco on my all time list because well hes Franco and he's a HOFer and he was good but when I really just look objectively at stats Bell makes a case for being the superior back if you are looking at pure peak period. I quickly added up total yardage for Franco on his 3 best years.......hes around 4200........Bell is at 6000 f-ing thousand. Bells 2014 All Pro year he had 2200 scrimmage yards (and had 2 other seasons around 1900).

If I took those 2 players and then ranked the very best individual years of those 2 players. Bell might have the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd best year between the two and then Franco would have 4th through 12 or whatever because Bell got injured, sat out like a moron, smoked weed and his career was much shorter. But seriously did Franco ever have a Bell 2014, or 2016, or 2017 year? So who was the better back?

If we want to say 3 year peak I'd say Bell was the better player hands down but a decade Bell doesn't even qualify. Take your love for a great man out of the convo and objectively weigh the talent of an idiot basically lol
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The numbers aren't in the same universe.
Off the field issues should have nothing to do with judging a players on field production.
It's like the Ben haters that refuse to give him credit because of his off the field drama.
 
bigben said:
I can agree with better teammate, more durable etc.

100%
The numbers aren't in the same universe.
Off the field issues should have nothing to do with judging a players on field production.
It's like the Ben haters that refuse to give him credit because of his off the field drama.
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You simply cannot seperate the two things. They go hand and hand. The use of energy maitaining guys like Bell or Brown (think TO as another example) is exhausting. If you've ever been in a situation like that, it is so distracting. More often than not, teams that deal with that just don't win championships. There are always exceptions I'm sure, but i think that is a pretty safe statement. Franco and Bettis were not distractions. That has to factor in when considering the whole player. If a player is a distraction and it hurts the team, stats don't mean much.
 
bigben said:
I can agree with better teammate, more durable etc.
bigben said:
I can agree with better teammate, more durable etc.

100%
The numbers aren't in the same universe.
Off the field issues should have nothing to do with judging a players on field production.
It's like the Ben haters that refuse to give him credit because of his off the field drama.
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100%
The numbers aren't in the same universe.
Off the field issues should have nothing to do with judging a players on field production.
It's like the Ben haters that refuse to give him credit because of his off the
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Some fans have a positive or negative opinion regarding a player and nothing will change their mind. X player is better than Y player and nothing will change their mind. When Antonio first left and he was doing the stupid things he was doing a fair amount of posters in here felt Hines was the better player. Now as some time has passed they are more objective about Hines vs Brown and they'll admit if they didn't before that Anotnio hands down was the better receiver but bias and dislike are strong influences on people's opinions.

I don't know the thing I love about football is that it's violent chess......pure brute strength, aggression, violence wrapped around a cloak of chess.........if you can't be analytical about the game or the players or in your comparisons I think you are missing out.
 
BLITZ said:
What a great problem to have as fans.
So many great players over all of our life times.

A lot of teams are known for 1 or 2 great players
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Game plays are the same way, shoot we have two top plays in one SB………..??

What about defensive plays……………??

All time greatest play, ever hear of the immaculate reception……….?

Great problem we have, just determining greatest players yet alone greatest plays………!!!





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Polambertberger said:
Some fans have a positive or negative opinion regarding a player and nothing will change their mind. X player is better than Y player and nothing will change their mind. When Antonio first left and he was doing the stupid things he was doing a fair amount of posters in here felt Hines was the better player. Now as some time has passed they are more objective about Hines vs Brown and they'll admit if they didn't before that Anotnio hands down was the better receiver but bias and dislike are strong influences on people's opinions.

I don't know the thing I love about football is that it's violent chess......pure brute strength, aggression, violence wrapped around a cloak of chess.........if you can't be analytical about the game or the players or in your comparisons I think you are missing out.
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I liked Bell and Brown a lot as players. They were great. But slowly...they did not win anything. Ward won 2 Super Bowls. I don't give a shiit about all the fireworks if they don't win, because at the end of the day it doesn't mean all that much. It's like having a nice, shiny car, but underneath the motor is about to blow up. What will always and forever be remembered about those players is what could have been. Now there are a lot of factors at play to cause that, but Brown and Bell are not blameless.

We don't have that with Ward. Or Franco.
 
diver said:
I liked Bell and Brown a lot as players. They were great. But slowly...they did not win anything. Ward won 2 Super Bowls. I don't give a shiit about all the fireworks if they don't win, because at the end of the day it doesn't mean all that much. It's like having a nice, shiny car, but underneath the motor is about to blow up. What will always and forever be remembered about those players is what could have been. Now there are a lot of factors at play to cause that, but Brown and Bell are not blameless.

We don't have that with Ward. Or Franco.
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I don't equate player greatness to SBs except for maybe a QB where he has an inordinate amount of influence on the game relative to other positions and even then I think being great and being a SB winner are extraneous to each other.

Now a great team thats a different story......True greatness is measured by Lombardis.
 
Polambertberger said:
I don't equate player greatness to SBs except for maybe a QB where he has an inordinate amount of influence on the game relative to other positions and even then I think being great and being a SB winner are extraneous to each other.

Now a great team thats a different story......True greatness is measured by Lombardis.
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In some cases I do. Those teams from 2014-2017 were good enough to win a championship or two. Yes, coaching held them back. We all know that. But so did their best players. Talent is so important but so are other things that go into making a great player.
 
Must be a great defense to leave off Greg Lloyd and Carnell Lake I'd I have no problem starting with those guys lol.
 
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