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Pickens would not have had this success here

timsim00 said:
Listened to PFT this morning on the way to work. First off, Florio is a HUGE GP fan. Having said that, they continually make the comparison of PIT vs DAL in the use of GP. That PIT made a huge mistake letting GP go and signing DK. NOTE: Not going into the DK contract here.

I am in my truck screaming, this comparison is apples to bananas. Yes, they are both fruit but completely different in play and personality. In Dallas GP can thrive with his type of game and a really good quarterback in Prescott. Put DK in that same system, with CeeDee on the other side of DK in Dallas and now DK is great. Not even comparable.

Good for GP in Dallas. I believe there will be a time, if not this year, then next year where DAL needs a particular win, either divisional or playoff, and GP will explode mentally and cause DAL to lose. DK is not that person at all.

So, not comparable at all.
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Heard part of that, too, they did criticize Pittsburgh for paying DK and then not using him, a veiled swipe at Tomlin, tho they’d never directly criticize him. When I turned it on, they were both gushing about the one and only thing Tomlin is ever praised for — his words.

When is the last time you heard anyone praise his X’s and O’s scheming?
 
His attitude was **** and not going to get any better.
Another AB waiting to happen.
 
WindyCitySteel said:
He’s been in charge of replacing Ben since he retired, and his choices have been Pickett, Trubisky, Fields, Wilson, and Rodgers.
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Don't be a goofy. Whether he missed or not on grabbing a QB that has nothing to do with your point. You're making a statement that Tomlin refuses to open up the offense while acknowledging why he hasn't. How insane is that?? Do you just jump on the internet and think how can I contradict myself today?? Do you think we would be having a conversation like this if he had the likes of a Ben, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, or even Dak at his disposal....so why make such a stupid comment?? If youre going to pile on Tomlin at least be objective in your approach....and not obviously biased, and downright ignorant.
 
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I'll stand by this. DK is not a better WR, talent-wise, over George...

George could separate and catch 95% of the balls thrown his way - DK not so much AND he has a HOF QB throwing to him.
 
timsim00 said:
Listened to PFT this morning on the way to work. First off, Florio is a HUGE GP fan. Having said that, they continually make the comparison of PIT vs DAL in the use of GP. That PIT made a huge mistake letting GP go and signing DK. NOTE: Not going into the DK contract here.

I am in my truck screaming, this comparison is apples to bananas. Yes, they are both fruit but completely different in play and personality. In Dallas GP can thrive with his type of game and a really good quarterback in Prescott. Put DK in that same system, with CeeDee on the other side of DK in Dallas and now DK is great. Not even comparable.

Good for GP in Dallas. I believe there will be a time, if not this year, then next year where DAL needs a particular win, either divisional or playoff, and GP will explode mentally and cause DAL to lose. DK is not that person at all.

So, not comparable at all.
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I wouldn't say DK is not that person. I thought initially the Chargers game he took a really silly unsportsmanlike penalty that set back any hopes of a Steelers comeback in that game. Im sure if he delved into his history with the Seahawks we are likely to find similar implosions.

For what its worth I dont recall Pickens having as many issues against the double team as DK seems to have, but maybe im wrong....at the very minimum he does a lot better than DK regarding the contested catches.
 
bermudasteel said:
Do you think it had changed over the years or was the Ben/AB connection so strong that they didn't need coaching???
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Sorry berm, every NFL player needs coaching, it's the degree of coaching that should be called into question.



Salute the nation
 
diver said:
It's not being a Tomlin homer to point out he doesn't have those things but...now read closely, it is largely his damn fault he doesn't. I don't blame him for recognizing he doesn't have the roster to just let it fly, but I blame him for not acquiring or developing the talent to do it. And he doesn't have it. They paid DK like a 1 and he isn't. The line isn't developing as fast as you'd like, although I think it has improved somewhat just by playing together. They stupidly bring in older QBs who want to do things their way, so they are running some mish mash offense instead of just doing the things their OC likes to do and has shown in the past he can create.
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When someone says, "you can't expect him to win in the playoffs because he doesn't have the QB to do it" that's a homer. Alot of coaches have won in the playoffs without a franchise QB, if you're a HOF coach, you can win a game here or there without a franchise QB, he's not even competitive.
 
Metcalf is basically on pace to have very similar stats to what Pickens put up here for what its worth. On pace for basically the same number of catches, less yards, but more TD's. It's safe to say Pickens(he's proving it) and DK would be putting up better numbers in a real NFL offense.
 
Coryea said:
When someone says, "you can't expect him to win in the playoffs because he doesn't have the QB to do it" that's a homer. Alot of coaches have won in the playoffs without a franchise QB, if you're a HOF coach, you can win a game here or there without a franchise QB, he's not even competitive.
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Yeah, well, that's dumb. I've never said that.

I read someone say about Tomlin that he is good at cleaning up the messes he makes. Maybe. But we can't lose sight of the fact that he made the mess.
 
NoKap#7 said:
You're being sarcastic i take it??
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Of course it’s sarcasm. Still, I read that a number of times on this board, and how Arthur Smith’s offense didn’t need a #2 WR. Apparently in Pittsburgh it does.
 
Funny, regarding the PFT conversation this morning. Florio stated something about the 'fans' in Pittsburgh love Tomlin! hahaha I almost spit out my coffee. I immediately thought of this board, there are certainly some 'concerned' fans here.

A lot of this goes back to Art II running the organization. AR II is happy with mediocrity, keeping Tomlin's circus still in town and active.
 
NoKap#7 said:
He doesnt have a franchise QB to throw to them for one...let's start there. 2nd of all what n the world have you been watching the last two years to think that AS is at all capable of running such a offense???
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Aaron Rodgers proved in the early part of the season that he can still run an NFL offense efficiently. You insert Pickens into the mix, instead of a parade of below average receivers, and guess what? The passing game opens up the running game. Arthur Smith had two top ten offenses as OC in Tennessee in 2019 and 2020. Ryan Tannehill went to the Pro Bowl in 2019 in his offense. Ryan Tannehill. With Corey Davis and Adam Humphries as their #2 and #3 receivers behind AJ Brown.

Tomlin is the common factor of the recent offensive failures. A coach who says all we have to do is run the ball and not turn it over is just ignorant.
 
A #2 can mean alot of things and it doesn't necessarily need to be a WR. The issue i see is we just don't use our people correctly. Smith has not been great, but Washington has been good when given a chance. Muth has come on strong. Gainwell and Warren have shown to be able to get YAC. We flip flop personnel and formations so much its hard to get in a rhythm. Then Tomlin seems to have some kind of petty grief with guys and they don't play even if they are the better option.
 
topseed said:
Aaron Rodgers proved in the early part of the season that he can still run an NFL offense efficiently. You insert Pickens into the mix, instead of a parade of below average receivers, and guess what? The passing game opens up the running game. Arthur Smith had two top ten offenses as OC in Tennessee in 2019 and 2020. Ryan Tannehill went to the Pro Bowl in 2019 in his offense. Ryan Tannehill. With Corey Davis and Adam Humphries as their #2 and #3 receivers behind AJ Brown.

Tomlin is the common factor of the recent offensive failures. A coach who says all we have to do is run the ball and not turn it over is just ignorant.
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What Aaron did in the first few games of the season is nothing compared to what he's been the last 2 games. He's looked every bit of 42 his last couple of games...his vision is not the same, he can't escape pursuit out the pocket, his accuracy down the field leaves something to be desired, and hes holding on to the ball too long so clearly his reaction time is not the same.

It could be that AS could dig himself out of this offense of ineptitude but I have a hard time seeing him do it with certainly a shell of himself AR at the helm...especially if hes going to continue to play as he has been.

I dont know where youre going or where youre coming from with your Tomlin statement. Hes neither said that nor implied what you stated and as far as i can tell the games havent dictated that philosophy because as far as i can tell they dont run enough in these games especially where Warren has had significant yardage per run. To be honest I dont know of any coach though that doesnt want to dictate the play of the game with the run and emphasizes winning the turnover battle. The only teams that dont try and control the game with the run are those that can't. That's a fact.
 
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diver said:
I agree with that. It's a damn shame we can't watch that. Remember the excitement for that short period of time when you thought they'd have DK and Pickens?

What I am taking issue with is this idea that if Pickens was in a better offense and getting more targets he wouldn't be that headcase. He is getting all those things in Dallas and still is.
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Yeah, and yet Pickens is #2 in the NFL in receiving yards. The NFL is a results-oriented league.
 
diver said:
Yeah, well, that's dumb. I've never said that.

I read someone say about Tomlin that he is good at cleaning up the messes he makes. Maybe. But we can't lose sight of the fact that he made the mess.
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I wasn't saying you are/were a Tomlin Homer, but the ones that say he shouldn't be expected to win in the post season.
 
topseed said:
Yeah, and yet Pickens is #2 in the NFL in receiving yards. The NFL is a results-oriented league.
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And the Cowboys presently have a losing record. I guess at least they are entertaining.

This weekend will be interesting when they play the Eagles. I will watch to see how he does against a real good defense.
 
diver said:
I just don't understand what you are seeing. The original post starts out acknowledging he was being disciplined at the beginning of the game. He has had negative impact on one game the Cowboys were driving to win, and another in which they were attempting a comeback. The extra targets and stats are not keeping him from doing stupid things. The problem is with Pickens himself. Stop making excuses for him.
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You have the right to not like Pickens, don't let it blind you from reality.
Pickens is 2nd in the league in yards 3rd in TD.
Dk is 30th in the league
The problem is and has been our front office and coaches.
Florio and Simms on PFT had a 7 minute diatribe on the Disaster the Steelers created by trading for metcalf and trading away Pickens.
Outlining the fact that it cost them 34 million to downgrade the player.
 
bigben said:
You have the right to not like Pickens, don't let it blind you from reality.
Pickens is 2nd in the league in yards 3rd in TD.
Dk is 30th in the league
The problem is and has been our front office and coaches.
Florio and Simms on PFT had a 7 minute diatribe on the Disaster the Steelers created by trading for metcalf and trading away Pickens.
Outlining the fact that it cost them 34 million to downgrade the player.
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I keep seeing this money reference. It really should not be used at all. One WR was on a rookie contract, the other was lured long term on a WR starved team.

Every other comparison is reasonable but fans shouldn’t think a WR of DK’s ability is going to come cheap. He isn’t or wouldn’t. I am willing to bet on the open market he would have gotten even more…
 
Gildong Sack said:
It was anything but dumb getting DK. The dumb part was not getting a legit #2 to take the double and some times triple coverage off him. There was no point bringing in Rodgers for this JV scheme.
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Our scheme is trash but lets be honest
Dk is the same guy he's been his entire career, flashy at times but overall disappointing. This is why Seattle got rid of him. He just isn't very good.
He's on pace for 936 yards. about 100 yards shy of his career average.

Paying this guy 34 million a year is beyond stupid.
Trading away the true #1 that was here for 1.4 million is even dumber.
 
slashsteel said:
I keep seeing this money reference. It really should not be used at all. One WR was on a rookie contract, the other was lured long term on a WR starved team.

Every other comparison is reasonable but fans shouldn’t think a WR of DK’s ability is going to come cheap. He isn’t or wouldn’t. I am willing to bet on the open market he would have gotten even more…
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I'm sure every team in the league is dying to pay 34 million to a guy who's been middle of the road his entire career. Averaging 55 yards a game.
yeah, sure
There is no team in the league taking DK at 34 million over Pickens, even if the pricetag was the same let alone 33 million less
 
bigben said:
I'm sure every team in the league is dying to pay 34 million to a guy who's been middle of the road his entire career. Averaging 55 yards a game.
yeah, sure
There is no team in the league taking DK at 34 million over Pickens, even if the pricetag was the same let alone 33 million less
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Yeah one did. The Steelers. Have a jovial day.
 
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