That is exactly why. I have also yet to read anywhere that assert he would not be an ILB in our system. He is like Shazier with maybe a tad more pass rushing ability.
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Mayock said this is a good depth class at corner, and I think he's right.
The Steeler could get a starting caliber player in round two.
Golson can't be counted on, and Gay is aging.
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Massive Updates to all spreadsheets and lists....
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Don't forget to look at the tabs in the spreadsheet. QB's are on a completely different page. And I have a 2-round mock that is updates as well.
Here is the Player Evaluation notes:
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Spreadsheet I make every year with prospects and measureables:
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Don't forget to look at the tabs in the spreadsheet. QB's are on a completely different page. And I have a 2-round mock that is updates as well.
Del out of the list who do you think would shine against slot WRs ?
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Del can reply, but for the slot I like Adoree’ Jackson in round two. This is a very deep group of corners, but once the first four go off the board, they are tough to grade. Teams will have to match up their talents with their schemes and understand most prospects have holes in their games.
If we pick a corner in round one, White should be there.
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Make sure to follow the above link for the most updated analysis right now on prospects.
Not sure we need a "slot corner" over just a good corner as a team but there are some limited to likely only outside work in this draft.
Of the 2nd round and later prospects you are probably looking at Adoree Jackson (2nd round), Cameron Sutton (2nd-3rd round), Jourdon Lewis (3rd-4th round) and Demontae Kazee (round 4-5). All of those players seem suited more to being on the side of the field with multiple receivers and not out wide alone vs. the "X".
Not sure we need a "slot corner" over just a good corner as a team but there are some limited to likely only outside work in this draft.
Of the 2nd round and later prospects you are probably looking at Adoree Jackson (2nd round), Cameron Sutton (2nd-3rd round), Jourdon Lewis (3rd-4th round) and Demontae Kazee (round 4-5). All of those players seem suited more to being on the side of the field with multiple receivers and not out wide alone vs. the "X".
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in your mock with Lawson available you think the Steelers would pick McKinley, is that becaujse you think he fits better or just because the Steelers might have a crush on McK
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I think they have a crush. McKinley's tape is very similar to Jarvis Jones tape.
You are reading my mind deljzc.
I am mocking Carl Lawson in rd 1 b/c we need an OLB so bad. However, it's looking like the best spot to get one would be midway in the 2nd.
I have a feeling a guy like Humprhey/Tabor/Conley is available at 1.30 and represents very good value.
I also agree rd 3 will be focussed on offense. I believe a TE and RB will be taken there. I could also see a WR mixed in pushing out one of the TE/RB group in rd 3.
Unfortunately, I think our rd2 OLB of choice will need to be attained by a trade up. There will be a run on those guys. I'm guessing we will have our eyes on Lawson/Watt/Rivers/McKinley.
Once they start going, we might have to move in to get one. If moving up only requires a 4th, I'm down for it.
1. Marlon Humphrey CB: Guy has Steeler written all over him. Only issues is tracking the ball. Dude is physical and covers great. Good size as well.
2. (trade up) Carl Lawson OLB: Basically copy/paste the physicality/measurables from the Humphrey line. Dude has VIOLENT hands.
3. Gerald Everett TE: Move TE to replace Green who won't be here in a year (if that).
3c. Marlon Mack RB: Shifty guy with speed and elusiveness.
4. lost due to trade
5. Nazair Jones DL: Depth with starter type ability.
Cameron Sutton has Steelers written all over him too.
Just seems like the athletic, smart, fiesty guy that we look for.
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to get humphrey we will need to move up and I doubt they do that in the 1st round, but of course if he's there it's a no brainer
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Humphrey was always a very good prospect (I love his tape and have him very highly rated) but with Sidney Jones' injury and his likely fall out of the first round, that should push up Humphrey higher into round 1 as well (just in case a team thought Jones was better than Humphrey).
I'm a bit sketchy right now on the Florida DB's. Both did not run well at the combine and both might be "tweener" CB/S projects (which we have in Sean Davis).
Mock drafts are tough right now. Things in the media are very fluid and rumors abound. Don't take them too seriously (including mine).
As of right now and the way free agency "rumors" are flying and the fact we are concentrating a lot on CB in free agency, I think that means we have our eyes dead set on an OLB to replace Jarvis Jones in round 1.
I think that means Carl Lawson, Takk McKinley and Charles Harris. I know some are talking about Reddick and Bowser, but I don't see that right now as what we need.
I guess Watt could get into the mix, but I don't think Tombert is going to fall in love with the "name" like the media is.
And as I said, I would love to have Tim Williams be in their mix too, but I have a feeling he's off their board as just too boom/bust.
I'm a bit sketchy right now on the Florida DB's. Both did not run well at the combine and both might be "tweener" CB/S projects (which we have in Sean Davis).
Mock drafts are tough right now. Things in the media are very fluid and rumors abound. Don't take them too seriously (including mine).
As of right now and the way free agency "rumors" are flying and the fact we are concentrating a lot on CB in free agency, I think that means we have our eyes dead set on an OLB to replace Jarvis Jones in round 1.
I think that means Carl Lawson, Takk McKinley and Charles Harris. I know some are talking about Reddick and Bowser, but I don't see that right now as what we need.
I guess Watt could get into the mix, but I don't think Tombert is going to fall in love with the "name" like the media is.
And as I said, I would love to have Tim Williams be in their mix too, but I have a feeling he's off their board as just too boom/bust.
I'm thinking the opposite. In mocks I have seen and tried, I think the best OLB in the 1st is the best move as the CB class seems much deeper. Not sure Watt or any other OLB that can play this year is there in the 2nd. Every time I take Humphrey or a CB that falls in round 1, I never end up getting the OLB in the 2nd I hope for. It could happen though.
Either way, the way free agency has gone it is a MUST that we get OLB and CB in the 1st 2 rounds.
Either way, the way free agency has gone it is a MUST that we get OLB and CB in the 1st 2 rounds.
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Your not sure we need a slot corner? The only one we have is William Gay. Gay looked slower to me. He's getting up there in age. Slot corner is a need.
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Golson has to be able to play someday. I mean, he didn't lose his legs in a car accident or anything did he?
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The problem with Golson is the Steelers still don't know what they have. Both years, he was injured so early that not only has he never played in the preaseason game, he's barely competed in camp.
He seems like a perfect slot CB, but last we heard, the steelers were insisting he's going to play on the outside.
I'm hoping he can finally be healthy and step in at the slot but can the steelers really count on that? I think they have to draft as if he's going to be a bust. Kind of like what they have to do at WR because Coates has shown nothing and Martavis has 1 foot out of the league.
He seems like a perfect slot CB, but last we heard, the steelers were insisting he's going to play on the outside.
I'm hoping he can finally be healthy and step in at the slot but can the steelers really count on that? I think they have to draft as if he's going to be a bust. Kind of like what they have to do at WR because Coates has shown nothing and Martavis has 1 foot out of the league.
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I don't disagree we sometimes (as a franchise) look at things "half glass full" vs. some fans that see "glass half empty".
Golson, Green, Bryant, Coates... all players that can be looked at both ways right now heading into the 2017 season. Will they contribute? How much? Can we count on them?
It's on of the most argued points on this board. How this team seems to fall in love with certain players and gives them every benefit of the doubt and opportunity to "help" the team between the lines and some just never do it (much to the chagrin and "I told you so" mentality of the fans). For some here that negativity starts the moment they walk in the door or they see a few games. For some it starts during the draft process.
It kind of is what it is.
Look, I'm not trying to defend it. I have been critical of how Colbert builds rosters for over a decade. I was arguing about Max Starks on the old steelers.com message board back in 2007.
But I have come to realize when you look through the glass of "How to build a 10-6 team", then all their decisions make sense....lol
Golson, Green, Bryant, Coates... all players that can be looked at both ways right now heading into the 2017 season. Will they contribute? How much? Can we count on them?
It's on of the most argued points on this board. How this team seems to fall in love with certain players and gives them every benefit of the doubt and opportunity to "help" the team between the lines and some just never do it (much to the chagrin and "I told you so" mentality of the fans). For some here that negativity starts the moment they walk in the door or they see a few games. For some it starts during the draft process.
It kind of is what it is.
Look, I'm not trying to defend it. I have been critical of how Colbert builds rosters for over a decade. I was arguing about Max Starks on the old steelers.com message board back in 2007.
But I have come to realize when you look through the glass of "How to build a 10-6 team", then all their decisions make sense....lol
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i think the steelers have changed in the last few years. Look at how they treated Ziggy Hood and Jarvis Jones. Both disappointing 1st rounders. They played Ziggy even after Heyward was drafted. Even in Heyward's 2nd season, they still played Ziggy ahead of him. With Jarvis, they gave him early opportunities but they benched him as soon as they had a better player (Harrison).
I think Golson will be a surprise this year. I liked him coming out as a guy who had ball skills and could play slot against quick WRs like Edelman. Some didn't like the pick because he is short and that likely limits him to nickel, but so what. Nickel is pretty much the base defense these days and you need at least 1 quick CB who can play man. I loved the pick because Golson brought something they lacked.
I disagree with these teams that have a rigid type for each position. It's like they try to get carbon copies of players. I look at team building in units and making sure each unit is versatile. I don't want to a secondary filled with big physical players and nobody who can play man.
Sure, everybody wants the 6'1 CB outside but once you have a few of those, don't you want a smaller, quicker CB to match up with small quick WRs?
The same goes for WR. So many teams just want all these tall guys. That makes sense, but don't you also want at least 1 quick WR who is dangerous on short routes?
I think Golson will be a surprise this year. I liked him coming out as a guy who had ball skills and could play slot against quick WRs like Edelman. Some didn't like the pick because he is short and that likely limits him to nickel, but so what. Nickel is pretty much the base defense these days and you need at least 1 quick CB who can play man. I loved the pick because Golson brought something they lacked.
I disagree with these teams that have a rigid type for each position. It's like they try to get carbon copies of players. I look at team building in units and making sure each unit is versatile. I don't want to a secondary filled with big physical players and nobody who can play man.
Sure, everybody wants the 6'1 CB outside but once you have a few of those, don't you want a smaller, quicker CB to match up with small quick WRs?
The same goes for WR. So many teams just want all these tall guys. That makes sense, but don't you also want at least 1 quick WR who is dangerous on short routes?
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The glass is half full for Bryant if he tests clean. The other players, have empty for injuries and in Coates case not being a rookie anymore.
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We keep giving these players to much credit, we have four or five players that continue to be a work in progress, this is not NFL 2017, you need players with some kind of consistent play, you need play makers when it counts, how many do we have. Golson, Green, Coates Bryant fall under this category.
As much as I like McKinley from UCLA, I can't help but think if we pick him this year in the 1st, we are giving up on our D improving this year to the point of it not being a liability. He is having surgery that will take 4 to 6 months to heal. That means he probably won't play at all this year. Miss OTA's and camp as a rookie and 99% of the time you won't sniff the field that year.
I'm also starting to think the Steelers could take a WR or TE in rounds 2 or even 1. If reasonably healthy and out of the drug-house, our O, truly would be unstoppable. That leaves the D to hopefully improve with what they have and maybe a draft pick or two. At least half the team would be unbeatable.
I'm also starting to think the Steelers could take a WR or TE in rounds 2 or even 1. If reasonably healthy and out of the drug-house, our O, truly would be unstoppable. That leaves the D to hopefully improve with what they have and maybe a draft pick or two. At least half the team would be unbeatable.
