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So Bell isn't getting his 14.5 million,

AggieSteel said:
I think we're talking past each other. I'm with you in that it's not my place to "cap" what he should ask for. If he thinks he's worth 90% of a team's salary cap and wants $160m/year, then okay find Le'Veon, ask for that. Hope you get it bro, good luck. I'm all for anyone out there, NFL players or office cubicle paper pushers or anyone, to get what they believe they are worth.

But there's a difference between believing you're worth something, and the people signing the checks believing you are worth that. Especially when there is a finite number of dollars to go around, other guys need to be paid, and the success of the organization doing the paying also depends on the ability to pay those other guys who need to be paid. There's also a difference between making a change to correct a faulty market (him getting $13m would be drastically altering the marketing for RBs) and simply overplaying your hand.

So I don't think either of us here are "wrong" per se. Go on man get your money. I hope you do. Just.. don't expect it, and be ready to be turned down if that's the number you really think you should be getting.
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Really 90% lol. He asked to paid as much as brown. I cant watch a steelers game and say Brown is more important then bell..can you? **** some here say Brown sucks when Ben isnt the QB. The guys signing the checks believe it or they wouldnt of franchised him twice way above the market. They may not agree with 17 million but it has been established he is worth more then the present market value ..
 
antdrewjosh said:
So basically he is overrated in your book? How did he challenge the market when the steelers chose to franchise him. He didnt ask for that.
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Where did I say that?

I've said a 1,000 times he deserves to be the highest paid RB in the NFL.

He challenged the market in negotiations when his agent was planning on signing the contract last season, then Bell backed out late, then he was tagged because they weren't going to pay him more than what they offered.

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antdrewjosh said:
Again not the point. And only because of new contracts handed out. And again why does Ben need to sign a contract close to what the going rate is now. He has mad a ton of money. If anyone is in position to take less its him. He has made money 14 years worth. Bell play a position with a very short shelf life doesnt it make sense he try to maximize now. What is Ben maximizing??? He has made his money. So again why cant Ben he has to know we need defence just like ive read Bell is a greedy **** not a team player because he wants to take up all the money and leave none to improve the defence
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I don't understand this argument. Ben never asked to double the quarterback market and the Steelers made him one of the highest paid. The Steelers were going to set the running back market with Bell last year and he declined. They were prepared to pay him in three seasons what the next highest guy was getting paid in five seasons. You are really stretching here for the comparison with Ben's contract.
 
Does his agent play? Not sure what his agent planning to sign has to do with this. But they didnt have to tag him. If they felt he wasnt worth above the set market value. They did so once this happened all the bullshit about he makes more then the next back should of stopped. Because by tagging last year and then again this year. The steelers agreed he was worth more then the present market value.
 
AB has 764 career offensive touches with 59 TDs and averages nearly 13 yards every time he touches the ball.

Bell has 1541 career touches with 42 TDs and averages 6 yards every time he touches the ball.

That's why AB is more valuable.

Bell wants paid as a WR, he has 7 career receiving TDs, Gurley had 6 this past season.

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Coryea said:
LOL if Bell thinks he's as important as AB.
For him to ask for 17 per, he needs to be leading the league among rbs in everything. He didn't lead the league in rushing, not rushing TDs, his ypc was pedestrian, his long run was 27 yards (Bettis's shortest long run of a season was 29). He had 85 catches which lead the league, but he was 4th in receiving yards, Duke Johnson from the Browns who has no QB or wrs had more receiving yards than Bell, his ypc was well below everyone else.

The only thing Bell was elite at this past season was piling up the touches which isn't great fro a RB.

And just because he lines up out of the backfield doesn't make him a wr. He could never line up against CBs and make catches

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Exactly!! Sure he lines up in the backfield, but I also remember yelling at the TV ALOT because he dropped a lot of easy catches in the backfield as well.

AB doesn’t drop passes.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Does his agent play? Not sure what his agent planning to sign has to do with this. But they didnt have to tag him. If they felt he wasnt worth above the set market value. They did so once this happened all the bullshit about he makes more then the next back should of stopped. Because by tagging last year and then again this year. The steelers agreed he was worth more then the present market value.
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Yeah, they offered him a contract well over the set market value, why is that so hard to grasp, obviously they think he's worth more than market value

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SteelerFan448 said:
I don't understand this argument. Ben never asked to double the quarterback market and the Steelers made him one of the highest paid. The Steelers were going to set the running back market with Bell last year and he declined. They were prepared to pay him in three seasons what the next highest guy was getting paid in five seasons. You are really stretching here for the comparison with Ben's contract.
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Ben is on a position to help the steelers on next deal because he has made a ton of money. Just like brady is helping the Patriots. Most feel the defence nedds the most help. So again why cant the person who has made the most money be the one to take less. Instead of asking a RB with the least amount of shelf life as far as his position is concerned to not try and get all he can. Bell has one more big contract to sign.
 
Coryea said:
AB has 764 career offensive touches with 59 TDs and averages nearly 13 yards every time he touches the ball.

Bell has 1541 career touches with 42 TDs and averages 6 yards every time he touches the ball.

That's why AB is more valuable.

Bell wants paid as a WR, he has 7 career receiving TDs, Gurley had 6 this past season.

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In a passing league correct?
 
Coryea said:
AB has 764 career offensive touches with 59 TDs and averages nearly 13 yards every time he touches the ball.

Bell has 1541 career touches with 42 TDs and averages 6 yards every time he touches the ball.

That's why AB is more valuable.

Bell wants paid as a WR, he has 7 career receiving TDs, Gurley had 6 this past season.

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Bell still had more catches than any back in football and ranked 10th overall in receptions. He was third in the league in rushing.

When it comes to long rushes, is the realistic goal to go 70 yards or move the sticks?

Bell had 74 rushing first downs. That's the most in the NFL. Catching the ball, he had 31. That's one less than Todd Gurley, who some say has surpassed Bell as the best back in football.

I wonder how many people griping about Bell's lack of long runs also said, "Sure, Willie Parker pops a few long runs. But how consistent is he?"

Now we don't want consistency, we just want big plays?

Bell averages 128.9 yards from scrimmage. That's an NFL record for a player over his first five seasons.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Ben is on a position to help the steelers on next deal because he has made a ton of money. Just like brady is helping the Patriots. Most feel the defence nedds the most help. So again why cant the person who has made the most money be the one to take less. Instead of asking a RB with the least amount of shelf life as far as his position is concerned to not try and get all he can. Bell has one more big contract to sign.
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Brady is also married to a model who has probably made every bit as much as Brady. Right, wrong or indifferent, it certainly makes it a whole lot easier for Brady to be charitable.
 
Sarge said:
Brady is also married to a model who has probably made every bit as much as Brady. Right, wrong or indifferent, it certainly makes it a whole lot easier for Brady to be charitable.
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She makes 50 million per year, higher than any NFL player

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Sarge said:
Brady is also married to a model who has probably made every bit as much as Brady. Right, wrong or indifferent, it certainly makes it a whole lot easier for Brady to be charitable.
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And Ben has career earnings of 179 million..
 
antdrewjosh said:
In a passing league correct?
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If Ben or AB out, they are not easily replaced and there is a HUGE drop off.

When Bell was out, Williams ( past his prime ) singed in a cheap free agent contract ran the ball as well as Bell did.

Do I have a point? What do you think?
 
antdrewjosh said:
Bell still had more catches than any back in football and ranked 10th overall in receptions. He was third in the league in rushing.

When it comes to long rushes, is the realistic goal to go 70 yards or move the sticks?

Bell had 74 rushing first downs. That's the most in the NFL. Catching the ball, he had 31. That's one less than Todd Gurley, who some say has surpassed Bell as the best back in football.

I wonder how many people griping about Bell's lack of long runs also said, "Sure, Willie Parker pops a few long runs. But how consistent is he?"

Now we don't want consistency, we just want big plays?

Bell averages 128.9 yards from scrimmage. That's an NFL record for a player over his first five seasons.
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If you're asking for 17 million you better be able to do both, big plays and consistency. You better be by far the best RB in football.

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Coach said:
If Ben or AB out, they are not easily replaced and there is a HUGE drop off.

When Bell was out, Williams ( past his prime ) singed in a cheap free agent contract ran the ball as well as Bell did.

Do I have a point? What do you think?
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I dont think so..williams was an elite back in his own right with a proven track record. A rookie does not have that track record. How did it look when Toousaint and Todman took over..
 
antdrewjosh said:
Ben is on a position to help the steelers on next deal because he has made a ton of money. Just like brady is helping the Patriots. Most feel the defence nedds the most help. So again why cant the person who has made the most money be the one to take less. Instead of asking a RB with the least amount of shelf life as far as his position is concerned to not try and get all he can. Bell has one more big contract to sign.
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Why should he take less at all? He is one of the best in the game and has gotten better with age. He is a top 3 quarterback and there are 10 guys making more this year than he is. He should continue to maximize his value to take care of his family for generations. Kirk Cousins is set to make $28 million this year, Ben should probably ask for $56 million.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Why should he take less at all? He is one of the best in the game and has gotten better with age. He is a top 3 quarterback and there are 10 guys making more this year than he is. He should continue to maximize his value to take care of his family for generations. Kirk Cousins is set to make $28 million this year, Ben should probably ask for $56 million.
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And Bell shouldnt try to the same??????Of course this only applies to Bell like i thought. Why should he take less if feels there is a chance on the open market to make more. Whether he is delusional or not..
 
antdrewjosh said:
Why arent they? I could of sworn he was in line to lead the league in rushing but didnt play the last game
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Again, he's asking for an insane amount compared to RBs so he needs to hands down without a doubt far and away the best RB in the NFL and he's not

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antdrewjosh said:
And Bell shouldnt try to the same??????Of course this only applies to Bell like i thought. Why should he take less if feels there is a chance on the open market to make more. Whether he is delusional or not..
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I suppose my post went right over your head.
 
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