Fire Tomlin.

[VaSteelerFan]

This team is in disarray in just about every facet of the game. It's been a circus for years. The blame for that falls on the head coach. Hopefully today's clusterfuck finally opens some eyes and hopefully this is the beginning of the end of the Tomlin experiment. Unfortunately, we will never have these past 10 years with a HOF QB back.

 

[mdk2]

Another season down the drain for what we have left with Ben at QB. It’ll be a sad sad team once Ben is done.


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[bmoritz]

We were barely winning with Ben. How anyone believes he would hold him out after he's cleared is laughable. I am tired of Tomlin too, but that's ridiculous even for the most staunch Tomlin hater to believe. He said so, that makes it fact all of a sudden?

Tomlin ******* SAID IT!!

 

[AggieSteel]

So I was browsing my “Timehop” app right now.. it shows you things you’ve posted on social media and pics you’ve taken on today’s date in previous years.

On Dec. 10, 2009 I posted this on Facebook:

“so the Steelers are the first team since 1998 (12-0 Broncos) to never trail by more than 7 points in the first 12 games of the season... and they’re 6-6 about to be 6-7”

God I ******* hate Mike Tomlin


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[Turd Ferguson]

Here's a fun fact....since 2007 (Tomlin's first Head Coaching season), NFL road favorites by 10+ are 60-11 straight up. Mike Tomlin owns 5 of those losses.

Throw in the 220-0-2 Steeler home record when leading by 14 and with the L, cool shades is on a roll.

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[Coach]

Here's a fun fact....since 2007 (Tomlin's first Head Coaching season), NFL road favorites by 10+ are 60-11 straight up. Mike Tomlin owns 5 of those losses.

Throw in the 220-0-2 Steeler home record when leading by 14 and with the L, cool shades is on a roll.

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I just posted this too!

 

[Coryea]

So I was browsing my “Timehop” app right now.. it shows you things you’ve posted on social media and pics you’ve taken on today’s date in previous years.

On Dec. 10, 2009 I posted this on Facebook:

“so the Steelers are the first team since 1998 (12-0 Broncos) to never trail by more than 7 points in the first 12 games of the season... and they’re 6-6 about to be 6-7”

God I ******* hate Mike Tomlin


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That was part of the unleash hell stretch

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[Coach]

That was part of the unleash hell stretch

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He's out of smoke.

 

[chipped ham]

For me, the whole time it was about how he could just let that ******** keep him out if he truly wanted to play? I wish he would have just put his helmet on and played catch the entire time to take any doubt out of it. While I get tired of the selfish attitudes of the new age players, sometimes it has to be out there. The way they kept showing him on the sidelines stretching and all that it looked like he was fine to me. Being pissed off, I wasn't exactly in the give a damn about the cover up story mood after that debacle anyways.

That’s exactly how I feel about it too. If that is how it went down, Ben should’ve put it all on blast, and ran the **** out on the field, and took back his offense. Put the ******* idiot on blast, and let everyone see how it really had nothing to do with you but the jagoff coach instead. ****, this team started the year with nothing but drama with that piece of **** Bell, its not like it’s anhthing new. Why wait until after the fucjing game is lost, and go to the press and say “well, it wasn’t me.”

 

[slashsteel]

Hey Ben disobey a direct order from Tomlin next time, I am sure the media and fans won't put you on blast for it.

How dare you follow your bosses orders, ************.

 

[Vader]

He pretty much did in the locker room, said he felt fine, just waiting on Tomlin to give him the go.

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Ben can't win. If he ******* about Tomlin and forces his way onto the field people will ***** that he is showing up his coach and being a diva. If he does what he is told he doesn't want it enough. Ben is the best QB we've had since Bradshaw and it won't be noticeable until after he leaves and Dobbs is throwing more wormburners.

 

[Coryea]

Ben can't win. If he ******* about Tomlin and forces his way onto the field people will ***** that he is showing up his coach and being a diva. If he does what he is told he doesn't want it enough. Ben is the best QB we've had since Bradshaw and it won't be noticeable until after he leaves and Dobbs is throwing more wormburners.

Exactly, like I said, I'm starting to see why Bradshaw never comes around f this is how he was treated

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[wig]

Let's just take a look at this from both the coaches and player's perspective.

You're Ben Roethlisberger, you were hurt and went down to get treatment, but the staff cleared you for whatever reason to go back up and into the game. You go out there and the coach is informed you are available.

The coach, for whatever reason holds you out. You watch your backup struggle mightily. At this point, you have a choice. You're Ben Roethlisberger. You are one of the best comeback QBs in the history of the game. You feel like this is a great opportunity to take control of the game and put it away. On the other hand, you also realize your coach is a moron. You know that you MAY go in and struggle. Or you MAY go in and do everything in your power, but the defense and coaching decisions are truthfully likely to leave you standing on the sideline at the end of the game.

So - Do you take the risk of completely ignoring your coach's call to hold you out and run out there, humiliate Dobbs and piss off Tomlin on the off chance you may be able to overcome both the Raiders AND Tomlin's idiocy?

If you're Tomlin - You're sitting there with a 4 point lead and a QB who was banged up. He's apparently good to go, but this is the Raiders, for God's sake. And you're really really tired of hearing that you are nothing without Ben Roethlisberger. At some point Dobbs has GOT to get some real game experience, so why not against arguably the worst team in the league? You've also got the cheaters coming up and THAT's a huge game. We need all our guys in as good of shape as we can get them.

And hey, if the worst happens? We'll absorb the negativity associated with our current situation.

 

[warriors42]

Let's just take a look at this from both the coaches and player's perspective.

You're Ben Roethlisberger, you were hurt and went down to get treatment, but the staff cleared you for whatever reason to go back up and into the game. You go out there and the coach is informed you are available.

The coach, for whatever reason holds you out. You watch your backup struggle mightily. At this point, you have a choice. You're Ben Roethlisberger. You are one of the best comeback QBs in the history of the game. You feel like this is a great opportunity to take control of the game and put it away. On the other hand, you also realize your coach is a moron. You know that you MAY go in and struggle. Or you MAY go in and do everything in your power, but the defense and coaching decisions are truthfully likely to leave you standing on the sideline at the end of the game.

So - Do you take the risk of completely ignoring your coach's call to hold you out and run out there, humiliate Dobbs and piss off Tomlin on the off chance you may be able to overcome both the Raiders AND Tomlin's idiocy?

If you're Tomlin - You're sitting there with a 4 point lead and a QB who was banged up. He's apparently good to go, but this is the Raiders, for God's sake. And you're really really tired of hearing that you are nothing without Ben Roethlisberger. At some point Dobbs has GOT to get some real game experience, so why not against arguably the worst team in the league? You've also got the cheaters coming up and THAT's a huge game. We need all our guys in as good of shape as we can get them.

And hey, if the worst happens? We'll absorb the negativity associated with our current situation.

In both of those sceneros Tomlin still looks like an idiot. He did prove one thing yesterday he aint **** without number 7

 

[Stryker]

I agree that Ben is a stud, but I saw Bradshaw get ******* killed numerous times in ways that today's QBs can't even imagine, and come back and win big games. And he did it all the time. And he always won the big games. Always.

Not in 76 vs Oakland

 

[Stryker]

I'm not going to defend Tomlin's mismanagement of the clock, or say he shouldn't be blamed for this game, he should.

But we're missing a couple narratives that led to this loss:

Steelers can't defend the spread/empty backfield on D

Your franchise QB was injured, and this injury is not going away this season. (I'll start another thread on this).

Bozwell has lost his ability to help this team win games.

It's a team game people. A lot of factors go into winning and losing, because it is a game. The greatest I have ever watched.

 

[mdk2]

Stan Savran in his show today is predicting the Rooney’s to demand changes in coaching this offseason and Tomlin will be put on notice next season that they either make a deep run in the playoffs or he’s done. If this is the case...I hope we start 0-8 next season and get a head start on that firing.


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[AggieSteel]

Steelers can't defend the spread/empty backfield.

I was just talking to my buddy about this. We are pretty good at defending teams with one dominant WR because we know who to take away.

But when we face teams with legit depth at WR, a physical mismatch at TE, or a versatile RB, we are always screwed. Our defense simply is incapable of accounting for a multiple offense


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[Coryea]

I was just talking to my buddy about this. We are pretty good at defending teams with one dominant WR because we know who to take away.

But when we face teams with legit depth at WR, a physical mismatch at TE, or a versatile RB, we are always screwed. Our defense simply is incapable of accounting for a multiple offense


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Except SD they were missing their best offensive weapon and only have one WR.
It's the stupid 2DL set, I hate rehashing this over and over, but watch the good defenses, none of them do that ****. Its ******* simple physics, we have two guys at 290lbs, 2 LBs at 240, going against 5 linemen that are 300+. So we get absolutely no push, their OTs just push our OLBs wide and the QB steps up into a nice clean pocket. Hell we had two Dlinemen in on a 3rd or 4th and 1 play yesterday that they obviously converted, who ******* does that, we do all the ******* time.
Ravens have the chiefs in 3rd and 10, do they put some light *** Dline in, no they have 4 bigs in and collapse the ******* pocket.
The secondary sucks ***, but the biggest issue and it's not close is the 2Dline set we always use, way to soft.

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[mdk2]

I was just talking to my buddy about this. We are pretty good at defending teams with one dominant WR because we know who to take away.

But when we face teams with legit depth at WR, a physical mismatch at TE, or a versatile RB, we are always screwed. Our defense simply is incapable of accounting for a multiple offense


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I don’t know about that. See the Chargers game, Keenan Allen is easily their best passing target and their RBs behind Gordon are very average. They let Allen get 15-17 catches and single handedly beat them.


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[AggieSteel]

I don’t know about that. See the Chargers game, Keenan Allen is easily their best passing target and their RBs behind Gordon are very average. They let Allen get 15-17 catches and single handedly beat them.


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Because they have decent depth at WR, our CBs were covering the Williams’s and Benjamin. Guaranteed if the Butler/Tomlin brain trust wasn’t concerned about the other guys (and Ekeler can catch too) they would have just had Haden travel with Allen like we do with Green and Julio


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[SteelerSask2]

Stan Savran in his show today is predicting the Rooney’s to demand changes in coaching this offseason and Tomlin will be put on notice next season that they either make a deep run in the playoffs or he’s done. If this is the case...I hope we start 0-8 next season and get a head start on that firing.


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But his prediction is simply the same as yours or mine. That is not based upon sources. It is based upon previous experience and what he has seen this season.

 

[Ghost of Frenchy Fuqua]

Stan Savran in his show today is predicting the Rooney’s to demand changes in coaching this offseason...

Stan is a smart guy and a voice of reason.He's probably right.

Butler, and probably Smith, will be gone. And there'll be major changes in personnel, as there should be.

As I've posted before, Rooney & Co. are likely pissed to see BR's final years frittered away.

Bank on it.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I'm not going to defend Tomlin's mismanagement of the clock, or say he shouldn't be blamed for this game, he should.

But we're missing a couple narratives that led to this loss:

Steelers can't defend the spread/empty backfield on D

Your franchise QB was injured, and this injury is not going away this season. (I'll start another thread on this).

Bozwell has lost his ability to help this team win games.

It's a team game people. A lot of factors go into winning and losing, because it is a game. The greatest I have ever watched.

Very true Cope. But most of those roads lead back to the HC. Particularly the spread out forcing certain defensive packages on the field. Then it becomes up to the coaching staff to fix that. In a half. Not three weeks. They talked about a dollar defense in camp. I don't know if they are using it. But what they are playing isn't worth a plug nickle.

 

[MT~Forged]

Stan is a smart guy and a voice of reason.He's probably right.

Butler, and probably Smith, will be gone. And there'll be major changes in personnel, as there should be.

As I've posted before, Rooney & Co. are likely pissed to see BR's final years frittered away.

Bank on it.

BULLSHITif the Steeler ownership was pissed about wasting Ben’s final years, they would have done something about it a few years ago.

They are making serious money right now, that is PRIORITY #1
They are also unwilling to FIRE a Rooney Rule Hire.

Those 2 things are all that matter to them. When #1 starts going south #2 will not be as important.