The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

[Tim Steelersfan]

another Star Witness!

Lock him up!


Alexander Vindman Admits Making up Parts of Trump Call Summary

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...admits-making-up-parts-of-trump-call-summary/

But wait....Tibs knows a friend who vouches for Vindman...who made **** up. So Tibs friends are...?

 

[JMM]

Tibs understands what this is. An all out blitz to derail the opposition. Nothing new, been going on for years and after this, there will be something else. Gotta hand it to the Dems, they know how to dig in their heels when the opposition has the ball and they know how to run when they are on offense.

 

[Steelworth]

They got him right where they want him!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tim Morrison and Kurt Volker both confirm that there was no quid pro quo, no bribery, no extortion <a href="https://t.co/Bm8rLUG6Np">pic.twitter.com/Bm8rLUG6Np</a></p>— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1196956889684140032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Vader]

Peter Zwack and his family are close friends of mine going on twenty years now. If he vouches for Vindman, that's all I need to hear.

Lt. Col. Vindman's former supervisor: He 'will fall on the right side of history'
https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/lt-col-vindmans-supervisor-fall-side-history-67138481

Vindman was born in Ukraine and was even offered the job by Ukraine to oversee their military. Aren't you worried he is more interested in Ukraine's best interests than the U.S.?

Also Vindman said that he didn't know the name of the whistle blower. However he then said that he wouldn't give the name of the 2nd person he told about the phone call. Well since he only told 2 people and he named the one.. I wonder who the whistle blower is? He's a liar as well as a Ukrainian operative.

 

[Tibs]

I've got a semi-serious question for you guys, not sure if that's even possible on this board. How many foreign service members, diplomats, military advisors and the like do any of you know personally, or have even met, at some point in your lives? You know, people who've spent the past ten, twenty, thirty years representing our country, pursuing American foreign policy abroad.

If you've had any experience with these folks, you'd know the term 'Never Trumper' simply doesn't exist within these ranks. These people have served under Republican and Democratic presidents alike. There actually exists such a thing called American foreign policy. It doesn't blow in the wind, doesn't change every four years there's a new president. This has been formulated over decades, based on military and foreign service experience, particularly post-WWII and then following the Cold War. The basic premise is that to best serve American national interests, democracy is good, transparency is good, the free market is good, applicable all around the world.

To have a President, whomever it may be, disparage, attack, smear and slander career foreign service members is beyond reprehensible. And you would agree with that sentiment, if you've ever met any of these fine folks.

There is a hyper-partisanship currently in America that is dangerous and teetering on the brink of being out of control. I'm starting to agree with Sarge, that we may be slowly but surely entering the point of no return.

 

[Tibs]

Vindman was born in Ukraine and was even offered the job by Ukraine to oversee their military. Aren't you worried he is more interested in Ukraine's best interests than the U.S.?

Vindman was born in the former Soviet Union, currently known as Russia, not in the Ukraine. Stop besmearching and degrading a decorated American military hero. Shameful, that's all I can say.

edit -- and the notion Vidman was offered the post of Defense Minister of Ukraine was thrown out as a joke by a Ukranian official sitting across the table from Vindman and several other top level US diplomats, as a form of wishful thinking. They all laughed it off. Of course GOP operatives jumped on that and included it in today's hearing. Again, simply shameful and embarrasing to disparage a decorated member of Trump's national security team, serving at the highest levels of the US government.

 

[JMM]

A good friend of mine is a retired FBI agent. He spent many years overseas in Iraq and Afghanistan. Was there when they pulled Saddam out of his hole in the ground. He's been around long enough to know **** from Shinola and is be a Trump supporter. Said he had to give all he could to not retire early when Obama was in office. To say he sacrificed for his country is an understatement.

 

[hamster]

Vindman was born in the former Soviet Union, currently known as Russia, not in the Ukraine. Stop besmearching and degrading a decorated American military hero. Shameful, that's all I can say.

Michael Flynn spent 30 years serving this country, an American hero, and he was unjustly ambushed and railroaded by a kangeroo court of Dem partisans. He is in the process of being vindicated.
Vindman can go **** himself. He is a partisan hack.

 

[hamster]

There is a hyper-partisanship currently in America that is dangerous and teetering on the brink of being out of control. I'm starting to agree with Sarge, that we may be slowly but surely entering the point of no return.

The worm is turning for you.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I've got a semi-serious question for you guys, not sure if that's even possible on this board. How many foreign service members, diplomats, military advisors and the like do any of you know personally, or have even met, at some point in your lives? You know, people who've spent the past ten, twenty, thirty years representing our country, pursuing American foreign policy abroad.

If you've had any experience with these folks, you'd know the term 'Never Trumper' simply doesn't exist within these ranks. These people have served under Republican and Democratic presidents alike. There actually exists such a thing called American foreign policy. It doesn't blow in the wind, doesn't change every four years there's a new president. This has been formulated over decades, based on military and foreign service experience, particularly post-WWII and then following the Cold War. The basic premise is that to best serve American national interests, democracy is good, transparancy is good, the free market is good, all around the world.

To have a President, whomever it may be, disparage, attack, smear and slander career foreign service members is beyond reprehensible. And you would agree with that sentiment, if you've ever met any of these fine folks.

There is a hyper-partisanship currently in America that is dangerous and teetering on the brink of being out of control. I'm starting to agree with Sarge, that we may be slowly but surely entering the point of no return.

Tibs these people whether good intentioned or not have only done things one way for decades regardless of who was in charge. Now you have Trump who for better or worse does things his way. We can argue over the merits of his way but he is like a bull in a china shop. These people regardless of what the Dems or Repubs think serve at his leisure. You say they are not partisan but when you are being pushed to completely change the way you have operated there is going to be anger and resentment. They might not be Never Trumpers in the political sense but many of them are in a survival sense. Our foreign policy has been horrible for years and now Trump is trying to change things. Of course everyone in the Government and Diplomatic core is going to resent this. If I were him I would fire every single one of them.

Fear of change and the upheaval of the status quo gravy train in all segments of Government is why you are seeing the resistance futilely trying to impeach him. He truly is trying to drain this swamp more than I ever thought he could and they are fighting him with their last breath and you are cheering them on. You should be cheering for him. He is the first President in a Century bringing real change to the way things work or don't work.

I am sorry if you know someone who know Vindman but he is part of the problem and didn't come out looking very good today. I thought he was about to go full Colonel Jessup today at one point. He might be a good man but he doesn't want change and is fighting it tooth and nail. He did not help the Democrats case in any way shape or form.

 

[Tibs]

Vindman can go **** himself. He is a partisan hack.

Why do you hate decorated, long-serving American patriots?

Military awards

Vindman's awards and decorations include the Purple Heart, Defense Meritorious Service Medal with bronze oak leaf cluster (2nd award), Meritorious Service Medal, Army Commendation Medal with three oak leaf clusters (4th award), Army Achievement Medal with two oak leaf clusters (3rd award), National Defense Service Medal, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Korea Defense Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Service Ribbon (4th award), Valorous Unit Award, Navy Unit Commendation, National Intelligence Meritorious Unit Citation, and Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation. He is a recipient of the Combat Infantryman Badge, Expert Infantryman Badge, Ranger Tab, Basic Parachutist Badge, the Presidential Service Badge, and Joint Chiefs of Staff Identification Badge.

Personal life

Vindman is married. His identical twin brother, Yevgeny S. Vindman, is an Army lieutenant colonel and JAG Officer who is assigned as an attorney on the National Security Council staff handling ethics issues. Vindman has an older brother, Leonid Vindman, who was also commissioned as an officer in the Army.

Guess who was the President when Vindman was appointed to the National Security Council? You guessed wrong.

In July 2018, Vindman accepted an assignment with the National Security Council.

 

[Steelworth]

Vindman was born in the former Soviet Union, currently known as Russia, not in the Ukraine. Stop besmearching and degrading a decorated American military hero. Shameful, that's all I can say.

edit -- and the notion Vidman was offered the post of Defense Minister of Ukraine was thrown out as a joke by a Ukranian official sitting across the table from Vidman and several other top level US diplomats, as a form of wishful thinking. They all laughed it off. Of course GOP operatives jumped on that and included it in today's hearing. Again, simply shameful and embarrasing to disparage a decorated member of Trump's national security team, serving at the highest levels of the US government.

Actually he was born in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which after 1991, formally became the Ukraine. And I don't besmirch this man's military service, he was wounded fighting in the Iraq war -- and I don't think the question Vader asked is unfair. Seeing that he was born in the Ukraine and was offered a high-profile position multiple times there, is it unfair to think there could be a conflict of interest?

 

[Vader]

Vindman was born in the former Soviet Union, currently known as Russia, not in the Ukraine. Stop besmearching and degrading a decorated American military hero. Shameful, that's all I can say.

He was born in Ukraine when it was part of the Soviet Union. They still speak their own language. He speaks it fluently along with Russian. Just like when Marie Curie was born in Poland and was a Polish patriot who would never call herself a Russian. What is shameful is your obtuse behavior to deflect from the truth.

BTW I know people who severed in many capacities in the foreign services. The idea that any group of people are above reproach is just plain ignorant. BTW why didn't you call out Obama for firing all of Bush's appointees? I'll tell you why. Because you're a hypocrite and a troll.

 

[Tibs]

...and now Trump is trying to change things. Of course everyone in the Government and Diplomatic core is going to resent this. If I were him I would fire every single one of them.

Trump is proving time and time again he's serving only his most narrow political interests instead of pursuing American security and foreign policy for the sake of the country. We've seen that with Putin & election hacking, with his reckless Ukraine policy w Giuliani and in Syria with Erodgan and the Kurds. Everyone in the Government and Diplomatic core - with an ounce of self-respect, reason & patriotism - is going to resent this. On that point, you're 100% correct.

 

[Sarge]

Tibs, we aren’t near the point of no return. No, no. We are way past it. Do you honestly think there is any singular event or series of events that will get liberals and conservatives to come together and live in harmony? That ship has sailed.

 

[IndySteel]

I've got a semi-serious question for you guys, not sure if that's even possible on this board. How many foreign service members, diplomats, military advisors and the like do any of you know personally, or have even met, at some point in your lives? .

My Great Uncle was on Iwo Jima and was present for the flag raising. So **** you, you anti-American commie piece of Hungarian ****.

 

[hamster]

Why do you hate decorated, long-serving American patriots?
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I don't, I honor them. When they become political hacks, they are no longer heroes. At that point, they are pedestrian bureaucrats.

 

[Sarge]

I've got a semi-serious question for you guys, not sure if that's even possible on this board. How many foreign service members, diplomats, military advisors and the like do any of you know personally, or have even met, at some point in your lives? You know, people who've spent the past ten, twenty, thirty years representing our country, pursuing American foreign policy abroad.

If you've had any experience with these folks, you'd know the term 'Never Trumper' simply doesn't exist within these ranks. These people have served under Republican and Democratic presidents alike. There actually exists such a thing called American foreign policy. It doesn't blow in the wind, doesn't change every four years there's a new president. This has been formulated over decades, based on military and foreign service experience, particularly post-WWII and then following the Cold War. The basic premise is that to best serve American national interests, democracy is good, transparency is good, the free market is good, applicable all around the world.

To have a President, whomever it may be, disparage, attack, smear and slander career foreign service members is beyond reprehensible. And you would agree with that sentiment, if you've ever met any of these fine folks.

There is a hyper-partisanship currently in America that is dangerous and teetering on the brink of being out of control. I'm starting to agree with Sarge, that we may be slowly but surely entering the point of no return.

I know literally hundreds. Maybe thousands. I can assure you there are never Trumper’s. Not nearly as many as there are conservatives, but the never Trumper’s are there, no doubt.

 

[Tibs]

Vader your attack against immigrant US citizens is beyond the pale. Vindman came to the US as a three year old, for ***** sake. He's a US citizen who's served the country on the front lines, and is National Security Director for European Affairs in Trump's National Security Council. It speaks for itself to see how some of you view your fellow citizens, the moment you percieve they dare cross your beloved Donald J. Trump. I'd be embarrassed if I was you, but thankfully, I don't have those types of issues to deal with.

 

[Tibs]

I don't, I honor them. When they become political hacks, they are no longer heroes. At that point, they are pedestrian bureaucrats.

Vindman followed organizational protocol by lodging his complaint with legal counsel of the National Security Council. Played it by the book. Just like the whistleblower, did exactly as required in a case like this. And you call that being a political hack? Because it hurt Trump's feelings? What is this world coming to?

 

[Tibs]

I know literally hundreds. Maybe thousands. I can assure you there are never Trumper’s. Not nearly as many as there are conservatives, but the never Trumper’s are there, no doubt.

Sarge, let me ask you this. If this happened under President Obama, do you think these same people - that you call Never Trumpers - would have kept their mouths shut? If Obama was on the phone trying to exert pressure on a foreign head of state to go after John McCain or Mitt Romney, you think these same people would have stayed silent? If you say yes, I disagree with you wholeheartedly. I think those raising concerns over Trump's actions have ZERO to do with partisan politics. And I realize I'm pretty much alone this, here at SN. It is what it is.

 

[Vader]

Vader your attack against immigant US citizens is beyond the pale. Vidman came to the US as a three year old, for ***** sake. He's a US citizen who's served the country on the front lines, and is National Security Director for European Affairs in Trump's National Security Council. It speaks for itself to see how some of you view your fellow citizens, the moment you percieve they dare cross your beloved Donald J. Trump. I'd be embarrassed if I was you, but thankfully, I don't have those types of issues to deal with.

I see how you glossed over every single thing I said and got right into your childish rant. Fact is that nobody is perfect. People of all colors and nationalities are capable of having bias. I'm more embarrassed for you. You look like a petty liberal who will cloak an entire group of people in sainthood for no other reason than to hurt the president. You know nothing about Vindman's beliefs and bias. You pretend that him being born there has no effect on him. However the Ukrainian government had enough confidence in his love for Ukraine to offer him a job overseeing their entire military. If he had been a Trump supporter you'd be the first on here calling him a spy.

I see right though you. You're as transparent as glass to me.

 

[Confluence]

Hey Groundhog Day Tibsy,

Great to have you back spouting FB effluent.

Don't worry, after this Schitt media stunt backfires, like Russian collusion, I am certain that another sperm burper will emerge to besmirch POTUS so that you can smugly award an American Patriot award to the media ***** architect of your faux outrage.

Lather, rinse, repeat.


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[JMM]

Trump is proving time and time again he's serving only his most narrow political interests instead of pursuing American security and foreign policy for the sake of the country. We've seen that with Putin & election hacking, with his reckless Ukraine policy w Giuliani and in Syria with Erodgan and the Kurds. Everyone in the Government and Diplomatic core - with an ounce of self-respect, reason & patriotism - is going to resent this. On that point, you're 100% correct.

 

[hamster]

Vindman followed organizational protocol by lodging his complaint with legal counsel of the National Security Council. Played it by the book. Just like the whistleblower, did exactly as required in a case like this. And you call that being a political hack?

He went to Schitt first. That is a huge problem.,,,making Schitt a material witness....who is now running the investigations?
Yes, yes. And none of that proves Vidman isn't a partisan hack.

Facts matter.