The Coronavirus thread

[madinsomniac]

If someone is asymptomatic but contagious, are they healthy?

Aren’t there suspected millions of such people?

Did someone mention the need for widespread testing?

So what the **** do you consider widespread testing? Because we are testing more than anyone in the world right now and at a level that has never ever existed for any pandemic ever... so much so that most areas there isn’t a demand for it anymore... notice the news doesn’t show backlogged testing areas anymore? The experts last said we needed testing at 150k per day, we have 300k per day capability but not that demand... most people aren’t going to be tested..

Also tge death numbers were manipulated badly... pa lost 200 when coroners challenged what the state was doing and that was just 200 of the most obvious irregularities... they also admitted to adding older potential cases to daily death totals in bulk without distinguishing them from new deaths ... they deny that this was to create a false peak and project a longer, worse epidemic, but hey thats what they did after all....

 

[Troglodyte]

So the hospitals and nursing homes that have COVID patients and staff need to shut down? No wait we are essential. But....isn’t....food essential

Wow! You serious?

The purpose of meat processing plants is... meat processing. Not treating patients. The meat processing plants that have not experienced COVID outbreaks remain open.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Just read an article where 2/3 of the people they studied who had the Rona did NOT have a fever.

https://popculture.com/trending/new...usly-ill-covid-19-coronavirus-patients-fever/

 

[Troglodyte]

So what the **** do you consider widespread testing? Because we are testing more than anyone in the world right now and at a level that has never ever existed for any pandemic ever... so much so that most areas there isn’t a demand for it anymore... notice the news doesn’t show backlogged testing areas anymore? The experts last said we needed testing at 150k per day, we have 300k per day capability but not that demand... most people aren’t going to be tested..

Also tge death numbers were manipulated badly... pa lost 200 when coroners challenged what the state was doing and that was just 200 of the most obvious irregularities... they also admitted to adding older potential cases to daily death totals in bulk without distinguishing them from new deaths ... they deny that this was to create a false peak and project a longer, worse epidemic, but hey thats what they did after all....

Enough testing so the people making the decisions to open up society in the absence of a vaccine are confident in doing so. Am I the only one listening to what they’re saying and their reservations about lifting restrictions?

 

[Superman]

You really need to learn the meaning of “asymptomatic”.

which makes the point even more soild. if there are millions and millions and millions of people out there who are asymptomatic, then shouldnt there also be millions and millions dead?

 

[Superman]

Enough testing so the people making the decisions to open up society in the absence of a vaccine are confident in doing so. Am I the only one listening to what they’re saying and their reservations about lifting restrictions?

no, dipshit, everyone is concerned about a "second wave"
but - do tell me how that flu vaccine is working out, since it was completely eradicated and people don't get nor die from the flu any longer.

suppressing the population by quarantining is also suppressing herd immunity. is that too difficult to understand?
regardless of when we break lockdown, there will be an uptick in people who get and die from this. Covid, like the flu, is here to stay. People have to be more mindful of their interactions with others and also of their own personal cleanliness.

 

[Steelin]

Enough testing so the people making the decisions to open up society in the absence of a vaccine are confident in doing so. Am I the only one listening to what they’re saying and their reservations about lifting restrictions?

We need to lift the restrictions so that all of our immunities can return to normal. And so that our economy can start to recover.

 

[madinsomniac]

no, dipshit, everyone is concerned about a "second wave"
but - do tell me how that flu vaccine is working out, since it was completely eradicated and people don't get nor die from the flu any longer.

suppressing the population by quarantining is also suppressing herd immunity. is that too difficult to understand?
regardless of when we break lockdown, there will be an uptick in people who get and die from this. Covid, like the flu, is here to stay. People have to be more mindful of their interactions with others and also of their own personal cleanliness.

But that is just it... one of the dangers of using a press pause lockdown too long is that you may let the first wave of immunity dissipate... some viral immunity only lasts a brief time, so its important to have them out in public to buffer the viral spread as much as possible ... its also theoretically plausible that new exposure may act as a booster shot of types in prolonging antibody presence...


Press pause was a two to three week plan to get ahead of the virus, not eradicate it or wait it out... those people arguing those illogical stances are clueless...


The only time a true lockdown is necessary deals with contagions much more deadly than this



Also any idiot comparing this to the Spanish flu scenario is either stupid or intellectually dishonest. That flu killed completely healthy and young within hours of showing symptoms and in todays global economy it would have killed millions...

 

[madinsomniac]

Enough testing so the people making the decisions to open up society in the absence of a vaccine are confident in doing so. Am I the only one listening to what they’re saying and their reservations about lifting restrictions?

Im saying that the side that you are on has moving goalposts on testing... no matter how much is out there they want more... right now most areas have a surplus of tests... New York needs more because those dumbfucks crammed a states worth of people into 300 square miles... everywhere else its more than sufficient...

 

[wig]

Sort of makes sense to me. Less driving equals less accidents equals less deaths and that goes for a variety of things. Social distancing is assuredly reducing the transmission of the flu and other bugs as well. It certainly isn't a long term solution to any of these issues but it is not surprising in the least. Heart attacks are down as well other stress related health issues at least for now until the economic pressure really build. Most people around us are not stressing to much yet as we seem to have a decent plan in Ohio and people are helping each other out. It shows that we can take better care of ourselves and reduce the stress we have inour lives. Hopefully many companies will see that many can work from home and keep that as an option going forward. Less traffic and less forced interactions isn't all bad.

Keep in mind the overwhelmingly under-reported fact that Doctors who perform abortions generally fly in from other states. (It aint cool to be the abortion doctor in your home state. So you fly to some OTHER state and do it there.) Because of the 'Rona, many many many of these travelling doctors aren't making their rounds. As a result, lots of abortions aren't happening. The 'Rona will undoubtedly save hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives. But you won't hear or read that on the news.

 

[wig]

And again, Trog. If it's so bad, suspend all elections.

No reason to endanger mail carriers, voter registrars and ultimately election judges with hundreds of thousands of pieces of likely infected mail.

To continue with elections would be literally sadistic and murderous, ya?

 

[Troglodyte]

which makes the point even more soild. if there are millions and millions and millions of people out there who are asymptomatic, then shouldnt there also be millions and millions dead?

Uh, no. It has a mortality rate of around 5% of KNOWN cases. If there are additional unknown cases, that doesn’t add to the number of deaths.

If we prematurely lift restrictions and let the virus go unmitigated, then cases (known and unknown) and deaths would all increase. That is what the officials are concerned with.

 

[Troglodyte]

no, dipshit, everyone is concerned about a "second wave"
but - do tell me how that flu vaccine is working out, since it was completely eradicated and people don't get nor die from the flu any longer.

suppressing the population by quarantining is also suppressing herd immunity. is that too difficult to understand?
regardless of when we break lockdown, there will be an uptick in people who get and die from this. Covid, like the flu, is here to stay. People have to be more mindful of their interactions with others and also of their own personal cleanliness.

People get a flu vaccine every year too. Which is why they’re working on a COVID vaccine, which we will likely see much sooner than herd immunity.

 

[oneforthebus]

I really don't get the hysterical focus on testing and contact tracing. It would make sense in an outbreak of a few hundred or even a few thousand cases. When you have millions infected there is no way you can find and isolate every new case and all of their contacts. It simply isn't going to be possible with something this widespread especially when so many NEVER get symptoms. You'd have to test every single person in the world and hope that no one you tested gets infected after you tested them. It's ludicrous.

Test people in high risk situations with close living quarters, nursing home residents, health care workers, people in prisons. Let young healthy people live their lives, get the virus and create immunity in the community. Any attempts to prevent all new infections are futile anyway and are going to do nothing but prolong this.

 

[Superman]

People get a flu vaccine every year too. Which is why they’re working on a COVID vaccine, which we will likely see much sooner than herd immunity.

some people do, some people do not
we do not quarantine over the flu, nor should we expect everyone to get the flu shot.

but your argument has been that we should isolate and quarantine 24/7/365 until Covid is g-o-n-e.

now you want to test. why? we know its out there. we know people have it. we also know that some of those people who have it get seriously sick from it.and that some people who are sick can die if they catch it. kinda like the flu, right?

 

[Troglodyte]

now you want to test. why? we know its out there. we know people have it. we also know that some of those people who have it get seriously sick from it.and that some people who are sick can die if they catch it. kinda like the flu, right?

Not just ME. First, there’s still a lot we don’t know about COVID. Secondly, health and government officials want to be on top of the virus, not scrambling to react to an outbreak. I’m quite certain that if we could go back in time, we would have shut things down a lot sooner.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Nothing to do with the shelter in place shutdown of businesses, everything to do with COVID. What is so hard to understand about that?

Once again you are epically wrong.

Shelter in place has led to the following phenomenons that have negatively affected the supply chain in this country, points that are real and valid that you refuse to acknowledge because they don't confirm your confirmation bias:

• Lockdown has led a certain % of the population to stay at home from work because they have children, no day care, and schools are closed.
• Fewer workers has negatively impacted the ability for food suppliers to produce
• Lockdown fears led to a massive rush on food supplies, that caused a temporary high demand for food
• Lockdown regulations have forced food processing plants to space out workers at least 6 feet when previously they stood shoulder to shoulder. That alone has caused a 1/3 hit to their worker capacity.
• Restaurants all closing has changed the nature of food demand. Restaurants buy in bulk. Families buy individual portions.
• This has led to an increase in family portions and a decrease in big boxes of food.
• Food processing plants have different types of machinery for different types of food packaging - restaurants and individual family sizes. Thus a % of their production capacity went poof when restaurants closed and they are trying to re-tool. This has limited their ability to meet the increased demand for family portions.
• Logistics have been severely challenged due to the lockdown for similar reasons. Fewer drivers means fewer trucks means fewer delivery vehicles.
• The restaurant industry - you know where people consume food - has been hammered in excess of $30BILLION in losses. Because...people...can't...go...out...to...eat. And not because they are sick.

Some of my clients include JB Hunt and ArcBest and Union Pacific - you know, transportation companies. Northwestern University Transportation Center performed a study of their clients (mine included) and noted the following findings:

• Most sectors are seeing a significant drop in asset utilization
• The major causes for vulnerability of supply chains at nodes such as DCs, ports and production facilities: 65% due to shut downs, 32% related to labor shortage.
• The other major cause was absence of inventory because of lack of supply (42%)

One survey question: What issues do you currently see at nodes (what are the issues at the nodes):
Shutdown because of sick workers, inventory shortages, not enough labor, not enough trucks to move goods, and other were the responses.

**** man this was a five minute exercise. For you to say plants shutting down are ALL about COVID and NOTHING at all to do with the lockdown is quite literally the stupidest comment you've made here. That's saying something.

Trog don't get supply chain.

 

[Superman]

Not just ME. First, there’s still a lot we don’t know about COVID. Secondly, health and government officials want to be on top of the virus, not scrambling to react to an outbreak. I’m quite certain that if we could go back in time, we would have shut things down a lot sooner.

oh, like back when your President was trying to stop travel from China, but the Dims were more worried about vaping flavored tobacco?
or maybe the shutdown would have started back when your President was trying to get in front of this during the state of the union speech (the one where Nancy Smirnoff ripped up the speech like the drunken hag she is)
or maybe, just maybe instead of dragging the country through three years of impeachment bullshit, the Dims could have worked with the Repubs to make this country greater and better?

nah. just wishful thinking.

 

[oneforthebus]

Not just ME. First, there’s still a lot we don’t know about COVID. Secondly, health and government officials want to be on top of the virus, not scrambling to react to an outbreak. I’m quite certain that if we could go back in time, we would have shut things down a lot sooner.

The sooner they had shut things down, the longer this would last.

The reality is some people are going to get it and some are going to die. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. We were told we had to slow it down so as not to overwhelm the healthcare system. We did that. We weren't told we'd have stay in our houses til we eradicate it. Because that is not going to happen for years.

Even if a vaccine is proven safe and effective within a year or 18 months, it will likely be a couple of years after that until production is scaled up enough and it's administered to enough people. For gods sake we can't even make enough cotton swabs for everyone in 4 months.

You want to hide in your house for another 2, 3 years? Maybe you do, if you're still collecting a paycheck and health insurance. Now imagine you aren't and tell me you are ok with doing that.

 

[Superman]

The sooner they had shut things down, the longer this would last.

The reality is some people are going to get it and some are going to die. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. We were told we had to slow it down so as not to overwhelm the healthcare system. We did that. We weren't told we'd have stay in our houses til we eradicate it. Because that is not going to happen for years.

Even if a vaccine is proven safe and effective within a year or 18 months, it will likely be a couple of years after that until production is scaled up enough and it's administered to enough people. For gods sake we can't even make enough cotton swabs for everyone in 4 months.

You want to hide in your house for another 2, 3 years? Maybe you do, if you're still collecting a paycheck and health insurance. Now imagine you aren't and tell me you are ok with doing that.

Flog would be ok. He/she/it/they will just watch Netflix and order pizza via contactless delivery.

 

[Troglodyte]

Once again you are epically wrong.

Shelter in place has led to the following phenomenons that have negatively affected the supply chain in this country, points that are real and valid that you refuse to acknowledge because they don't confirm your confirmation bias:

• Lockdown has led a certain % of the population to stay at home from work because they have children, no day care, and schools are closed.
• Fewer workers has negatively impacted the ability for food suppliers to produce
• Lockdown fears led to a massive rush on food supplies, that caused a temporary high demand for food
• Lockdown regulations have forced food processing plants to space out workers at least 6 feet when previously they stood shoulder to shoulder. That alone has caused a 1/3 hit to their worker capacity.
• Restaurants all closing has changed the nature of food demand. Restaurants buy in bulk. Families buy individual portions.
• This has led to an increase in family portions and a decrease in big boxes of food.
• Food processing plants have different types of machinery for different types of food packaging - restaurants and individual family sizes. Thus a % of their production capacity went poof when restaurants closed and they are trying to re-tool. This has limited their ability to meet the increased demand for family portions.
• Logistics have been severely challenged due to the lockdown for similar reasons. Fewer drivers means fewer trucks means fewer delivery vehicles.
• The restaurant industry - you know where people consume food - has been hammered in excess of $30BILLION in losses. Because...people...can't...go...out...to...eat. And not because they are sick.

Some of my clients include JB Hunt and ArcBest and Union Pacific - you know, transportation companies. Northwestern University Transportation Center performed a study of their clients (mine included) and noted the following findings:

• Most sectors are seeing a significant drop in asset utilization
• The major causes for vulnerability of supply chains at nodes such as DCs, ports and production facilities: 65% due to shut downs, 32% related to labor shortage.
• The other major cause was absence of inventory because of lack of supply (42%)

One survey question: What issues do you currently see at nodes (what are the issues at the nodes):
Shutdown because of sick workers, inventory shortages, not enough labor, not enough trucks to move goods, and other were the responses.

**** man this was a five minute exercise. For you to say plants shutting down are ALL about COVID and NOTHING at all to do with the lockdown is quite literally the stupidest comment you've made here. That's saying something.

Trog don't get supply chain.

NONSENSE! Tyson and Smithfield have other plants still operating. They are going to reopen the plants they closed when they are able. The reason they shut down the plants they did is because they had massive COVID outbreaks and deaths. The CDC even visited the Sioux Falls plant. It had nothing to do with the supply chain. You are trying to create an alternative fact. That’s stupid.

 

[Troglodyte]

oh, like back when your President was trying to stop travel from China, but the Dims were more worried about vaping flavored tobacco?
or maybe the shutdown would have started back when your President was trying to get in front of this during the state of the union speech (the one where Nancy Smirnoff ripped up the speech like the drunken hag she is)
or maybe, just maybe instead of dragging the country through three years of impeachment bullshit, the Dims could have worked with the Repubs to make this country greater and better?

nah. just wishful thinking.

Triggered! I was talking about Federal, State and local government.

 

[Steeltime]

Uh, no. It has a mortality rate of around 5% of KNOWN cases. If there are additional unknown cases, that doesn’t add to the number of deaths.

The stupidity in this comment makes it a serious candidate to replace elfie's imbecility in my signature line.

 

[Superman]

Triggered! I was talking about Federal, State and local government.

but, Flog - Trump is the head figure for the Federal Government.
if he doesnt enact something, why would state or local government even consider it?

seriously, you're just arguing on here without any set of realistic expectations. I'd insert the SpongeBob Chicken gif, but I'm starting to question your sanity.