The Coronavirus thread

[Superman]

NONSENSE! Tyson and Smithfield have other plants still operating. They are going to reopen the plants they closed when they are able. The reason they shut down the plants they did is because they had massive COVID outbreaks and deaths. The CDC even visited the Sioux Falls plant. It had nothing to do with the supply chain. You are trying to create an alternative fact. That’s stupid.

the dumb in this is overwhelming.
shutting down meat processing plants has **** all to do with the supply chain, Tim. ****. all.

 

[Steeltime]

the dumb in this is overwhelming.
shutting down meat processing plants has **** all to do with the supply chain, Tim. ****. all.

The genius that is Trog:

(D)imwit lackey: "Maestro, the pigs are bursting into flame via spontaneous combustion! It's ruining the supply chain!"
Flog: "Pigs are not in the supply chain, so no effect on supply chain. Winning like Biden's Prevagen supplier!!"

 

[Troglodyte]

The sooner they had shut things down, the longer this would last.

Good luck convincing South Korea of that.

 

[wig]

I’m quite certain that if we could go back in time, we would have shut things down a lot sooner.

Which is why, I'm certain, Trog that you now are calling for all counties and states to suspend elections in order to protect all those people who handle ballots and mail.

I mean, you want to talk about spreading a pandemic!
"Here, take these millions of pieces of mail, drop them off at peoples' houses. Then pick them up again in a few weeks riddled with virus and take them back to all the voter registrar people to open, sort and pass along to election judges."

It's insane. You want to talk irresponsible? That's it.

You may as well send everyone in America a ziplock bag, ask them to cough in it and then send it back to folks to open.

Yep. I'm with ya. We should suspend elections until all traces of covid-19 are utterly eradicated. Regardless of how long that takes.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

Not just ME. First, there’s still a lot we don’t know about COVID. Secondly, health and government officials want to be on top of the virus, not scrambling to react to an outbreak. I’m quite certain that if we could go back in time, we would have shut things down a lot sooner.

What about the people in non high risk groups who exhibit most, but not all of the symptoms? They aren’t getting tested. And they want answers.

 

[Steeltime]

Good luck convincing South Korea of that.

South Korea had much less stringent lockdown than does NYC, Detroit, indeed all of Michigan.

As of this week, South Korea had just over 9,000 confirmed coronavirus cases, which puts it among the top 10 countries for total cases.

But South Korea has another distinction: Health experts are noting that recently the nation has managed to significantly slow the number of new cases. And the country appears to have reined in the outbreak without some of the strict lockdown strategies deployed elsewhere in the world.

"We've seen examples in places like Singapore and [South] Korea, where governments haven't had to shut everything down," said Mike Ryan, head of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Programme. "They've been able to make tactical decisions regarding schools, tactical decisions regarding movements, and been able to move forward without some of the draconian measures."

ttps://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/26/821688981/how-south-korea-reigned-in-the-outbreak-without-shutting-everything-down

Oh, and South Korea - unlike the W.H.O. and CDC and dozens of politicians, including Cuomo - implemented a vigilant policy on wearing face masks.

So should the United States have enacted fewer lockdowns, targeted the lockdown on the vulnerable rather than the healthy, required wearing face masks, and kept the economy going? Sure. Great.

But ifs and buts are not candy and nuts. Time to get the economy going again, while we still have an economy, and punish China like it unleashed a biological plague on the world, lied about it, hid the origin of the virus, denied access to medical professionals to the location of the virus, destroyed records about the start of the virus, hoarded PPE, overcharged for hoarded PPE, shipped out defective dogshit PPE to foreign nations, and is looking to make a haul on the disease it causes and it spread.

In closing, **** China.

 

[Steeltime]

You may as well send everyone in America a ziplock bag, ask them to cough in it and then send it back to folks to open.

Yep. I'm with ya. We should suspend elections until all traces of covid-19 are utterly eradicated. Regardless of how long that takes.

Trog, realizing his plan has gone into effect with
results he may not have foreseen

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Trog, realizing his plan has gone into effect with
results he may not have foreseen

Lmfao. Why did I just envision that’s him reading these responses.

 

[Steelr4evr]

So racist. You need a proper reeducation camp to reformulate your thoughts.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I just made this:

 

[Ron Burgundy]

The sooner they had shut things down, the longer this would last.

The reality is some people are going to get it and some are going to die. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. We were told we had to slow it down so as not to overwhelm the healthcare system. We did that. We weren't told we'd have stay in our houses til we eradicate it. Because that is not going to happen for years.

Even if a vaccine is proven safe and effective within a year or 18 months, it will likely be a couple of years after that until production is scaled up enough and it's administered to enough people. For gods sake we can't even make enough cotton swabs for everyone in 4 months.

You want to hide in your house for another 2, 3 years? Maybe you do, if you're still collecting a paycheck and health insurance. Now imagine you aren't and tell me you are ok with doing that.

My county has had 46 deaths so far which is a lot given our population but if you look a little closer you see that 31 of them were at the same large nursing home. It's enough to **** up the governor's regional standards on reopening though.

 

[Troglodyte]

the dumb in this is overwhelming.
shutting down meat processing plants has **** all to do with the supply chain, Tim. ****. all.

Tyson shuts down another plant while JBS reopens. How the ****?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

NONSENSE! Tyson and Smithfield have other plants still operating. They are going to reopen the plants they closed when they are able. The reason they shut down the plants they did is because they had massive COVID outbreaks and deaths. The CDC even visited the Sioux Falls plant. It had nothing to do with the supply chain. You are trying to create an alternative fact. That’s stupid.

Prove what I said wrong Flog. PROVE IT.

Everything I wrote is fact. I'm in meetings daily with JB Hunt, Cargill, Archer Daniels Midlands, Bunge, Union Pacific, ArcBest. With Ahold grocers, C&S Wholesalers, Kimberly Clark, Kraft Heinz, Campbells Soup, Coke, Dunkin' Donuts, General Mills, Sysco and yes...Tyson is one of my clients.

Go on, tell me the facts I showed you from the Northwestern University Transportation Center are not facts and I'm creating an alternative reality.

This is actually comical to me, your insistence on being ignorant.

Nahhhh....factories all over the country aren't working on issues like these....but...wait

Ford Tests Buzzing Wristbands to Keep Six-Foot Distance Between Factory Workers - https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...-distance-between-factory-workers/ar-BB12JEzT

I'm on a project team developing multiple solutions for Back to Work, that every company out there in the space is working on - Oracle, Google, Microsoft, etc. We are developing IoT sensors to detect people's temperatures, to identify violations of 6 foot spacing rules, to use cameras to monitor the workplace.

Please, however...since you are so infinitely wise....provide any evidence at all to counter the following points:

Disprove that a percentage of the population can't get to work because of childcare concerns, fear, or being high risk and therefore can't work.
Prove that fewer workers doesn't negatively affect the ability to produce/package/distribute food
Prove that the lockdown fears did not lead to a massive rush on food and supplies
Prove that regulations have not forced food processing plants to space out workers at least 6 feet causing an impact on their ability to produce at previous levels
Prove that restaurants all closing has not changed the nature of food demand.
Prove there has not been an increase in family portions and a decrease in big boxes of food for restaurants
Prove that food processing plants have different types of machinery for different types of food packaging that must be retooled
Prove that logistics hasn't been severely challenged due to the lockdown with fewer workers
Prove the restaurant industry hasn't lost $30BILLION because people aren't allowed to dine in

Go on, prove it wrong. I've provided you countless sources from industry experts, from news articles, validating EVERY SINGLE POINT.

Yet you say "bullshit."

Utterly comical. Give up. You're speaking about an industry of which you have literally no clue. Yet, since you've taken this stance...the food supply in this country has been shattered. And it is verified to be in large part due to the lock down. It is not 100% due to people being sick.

Dumbest **** I've ever read.

 

[Steeltime]

Utterly comical. Give up. You're speaking about an industry of which you have literally no clue. Yet, since you've taken this stance...the food supply in this country has been shattered. And it is verified to be in large part due to the lock down. It is not 100% due to people being sick.

As Flog's highly-skilled representative, giving him representation he neither deserves nor can afford, let me respond this way:

SQUIRREL!!

Dumbest **** I've ever read.

Give Mr. Flog more time; zhe will not disappoint.

 

[Confluence]

Good news!

Whirled peas, y'all!!

China is starting to understand how Americans feel, and have leaked out this initial, draft letter of apology:

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

It had nothing to do with the supply chain. You are trying to create an alternative fact. That’s stupid.

More alternative reality. It's not the supply chain stupid! Except....

How Covid-19 is impacting various points in the US food & ag supply chain
https://agfundernews.com/how-covid-19-is-impacting-various-points-in-the-food-ag-supply-chain.html

And, while protections from restrictive government measures due to its “essential” status have enabled many in the industry to continue working, temporary panic-shopping among consumers, the closure of foodservice venues such as restaurants, and temporary disruptions in food processing and distribution have led to unprecedented pressures on the entire food and agriculture system.

In many ways, it’s not the food supply chain itself but the logistics of distribution that has been most adversely affected in the food and ag sector working through the pandemic, according to Clay Detlefsen, senior vice president of regulatory and environmental affairs for the National Milk Producers Federation and the private-sector chair of the US Department of Homeland Security Food and Agricultural Sector Coordinating Council.

I'm a damned genius. Wait...there's more.

“We saw hoarding behavior across the country. Some of it was temporary while some will persist longer, especially for some types of products. We are seeing bigger problems in large urban centers than in smaller urban and rural areas, but it has affected everybody,” says University of Illinois Agricultural Economist Nick Paulson. “That type of hoarding and buying behavior is a self-fulfilling problem. We ask that people resist being part of that problem.”

Wait, I said that hoarding was disrupting the supply chain....Hmmmmm

Tracing the supply chain backward from the consumer level, the virus has caused definite disruptions in some sectors. The general trend of production will continue, but as Covid-19 pressures things like interpersonal contact, operational changes will disrupt not just what reaches the consumer, but how that happens.

Not...people...getting sick...but interpersonal contact ad operational changes will disrupt the supply chain....wow.

Scott Foote works at the junction of these components of the supply chain every day. As manager of Hoxie Feedyard in Hoxie, Kansas, Foote works in both the feed sector to support the 100,000-plus cattle in his lot and the processing side to supply fed animals to regional processors from one of four feeding facilities his family owns and manages in western Kansas. So, he works at the convergence of logistical factors that many say represent potential painpoints in the supply chain if the Covid-19 situation continues to exert pressure on society for an extended period of time.

“We’re still early in this thing. If the economy changes, people aren’t going out to eat, there are fewer jobs and people are buying less beef, it will change not just rural America, but America.”

Foote also relies on distillers dried grains and solubles (DDGS) from a regional ethanol plant — seven semi-truck loads per day — to complete his feed ration. But with ethanol operations slowing down or stopping altogether — partially driven by Covid-19 but more so by the downward slide in crude oil prices due to a glut in transportation fuel not used by airlines — he may be forced to look elsewhere to sustain a consistent supply of the key feed ingredient.

So hold on...The economic shut down means people aren't going out to eat (I said that)...but the shutdown destroyed the oil markets which in turn means cattle producers are struggling to feed the animals that we eventually eat. Yeah....airplanes not flying isn't due to the...economic shut down.

The ethanol situation weighs on the potential for long-term impacts for crop producers in places like the Midwestern US where the biofuel represents a major corn demand component for farmers. Ethanol is a major component of overall corn demand in the US, and a slowdown in production — caused by declining demand from Covid-19 and the sharply lower crude oil market — means less corn demand and lower prices for farmers.

But the drop in oil prices because transportation has been shut down...means...wait for it....grain production is also affected...in...the...supply chain.

Moving forward, other sectors of agriculture like poultry production will continue to face volatile market prices because of a combination of factors including supply chain disruptions. John Boney is an animal science professor at Pennsylvania State University and a specialist in the poultry industry that’s already felt impacts of the virus. Ingredients like the amino acid threonine are key components in broiler chicken feed rations, and because borders have closed to the import of some products, threonine could become in short supply given much of the American supply is imported from China.

What the what??? Poultry production could be affected drastically because we shut our borders...as a part of the shut down? Say it isn't so.

Jesus then there is this from Maximo Cullen, the chief economist for the United Nations’ Food and Agriculture Organization:

COVID-19 and the risk to food supply chains: How to respond?

http://www.fao.org/3/ca8388en/CA8388EN.pdf

3. Keep the food value chain alive by focusing on key logistics bottlenecks
The food value chain can be broadly divided into two groups: the staple commodities (wheat, maize, corn, soybeans and oil seeds) and the high-value commodities (fruits, vegetables and fishery). The staple commodity production is capital intensive, and the labor shortage issue resulting from the coronavirus-related restrictions on movement has less impact on their production. However, the logistics to distribute the commodities is affected, as it hampers food transportation across cities, provinces, regions and countries.

The high-value commodities, on the other hand, require a large amount of labor to produce. So they are substantially affected when employees get sick or local and migrant laborers are not able to travel due to lockdowns. Logistical barriers that disrupt the food supply chains affect the high-value commodities even more because of their perishability. The high-value supply chain includes food processing plants, which are also labor intensive. Currently, most of the sorting and packing lines do not comply with the social distancing requirements.

God, that's like....everything I have said. Weird.

Christ I could go on for days, but then again I'm talking to stupid who won't consider facts, industry analysts, industry articles, real news reports, and subject matter experts on the matter. Because Trog believe Trog's fantasy view of the world.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Hey steeltime. With the whole gotta wear a face mask to go here or there stuff. What is my citation/crime/penalty for not following? Can an establishment like a grocery store bar me from entry?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Hey steeltime. With the whole gotta wear a face mask to go here or there stuff. What is my citation/crime/penalty for not following? Can an establishment like a grocery store bar me from entry?

Here in Montgomery County MD, if you don't wear a mask, $500 fine. Second offense, $750 and potential jail time.

Merica!

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

Here in Montgomery County MD, if you don't wear a mask, $500 fine. Second offense, $750 and potential jail time.

Merica!

Really. So a law was passed not just “dictator decree ?

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

So since I have no medical masks, I’m going to wear a ski mask at the bank tomorrow. Science. Let’s see.

 

[Steeltime]

Hey steeltime. With the whole gotta wear a face mask to go here or there stuff. What is my citation/crime/penalty for not following? Can an establishment like a grocery store bar me from entry?

Generally a private business can bar entry of customers at its discretion, except for reasons that violate state or Federal law, such as precluding customers on the basis of race, gender, religion, national origin. Federal law does not preclude discrimination by private entities on the basis of sexual orientation, but a lot of states do, including California, Oregon, and quite a few others.

If the store claims its decision is done to comply with some order from a government official, then it is not going to face problems for barring entry. What I find interesting is this; Muslims claim that barring entry of women wearing a hijab constitutes illegal discrimination on the basis of religion. What if my religion precludes me from covering my face in public, sort of an anti-Muslim edict?

Finally, no state or locality to my knowledge has actually passed a law precluding social contact or requiring masks. These are instead orders or edicts from mayors, governors, etc. Since they are not laws and are instead orders, then I am not sure the public entity can enforce a monetary penalty provision. Oh, the entity can cite your for claimed violation and force you to contest the citation, but generally most states require a statute, enacted only after proper notice and public debate, for a monetary fine to be imposed. Have not heard of anybody challenging the fine on this basis yet.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Really. So a law was passed not just “dictator decree ?

Dictator decree.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

I guess I’ll wear a mask.

 

[Vader]

A new study came out today from NY. Almost 14% of people in NY have antibodies for COVID-19. If that standard holds true that means 2.7 million people have been exposed to COVID-19. In NY city the rate was 21%. For those that still have math issues; this will drop the death rate... not the total number of deaths but the "rate". So more tests means lower rates of death because the tests uncloak those that are asymptomatic.

For God sake open the country up. When the testing is finalized they are going to find massive amounts of people that have antibodies to this virus. This correlates very well with the California study conducted last week. Millions of people have been exposed but not many are dying. Those that are dying fit into same category (except children) that would die of a bad flu season.

 

[Steelr4evr]

I'm going with the Bane mask. That's how I roll https://want-that.com/bane-mask/