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The Coronavirus thread

oneforthebus said:
66% of newly hospitalized people followed orders and STILL GOT IT! Therefore, whatever the current orders are, ARE NOT WORKING. Why? Maybe it's because people cannot completely stay away from all other people indefinitely. It's impossible. People need to eat, whether they go to the grocery store or order it in or get takeout, there is some interaction with other humans at some level.
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Wow! You are so against the shutdown you’re making the illogical conclusion that unless something works without exception, it doesn’t work at all. Why use any precaution on anything? If 100% of NFL players who suffered concussions were wearing helmets, is the logical conclusion that football helmets never work?
 
Troglodyte said:
Wow! You are so against the shutdown you’re making the illogical conclusion that unless something works without exception, it doesn’t work at all. Why use any precaution on anything? If 100% of NFL players who suffered concussions were wearing helmets, is the logical conclusion that football helmets never work?
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Yes, the shutdown works to slow the spread to some unknown extent. We have no idea to what extent, because we aren't testing people who are asymptomatic or have mild illness. What we DO know from these numbers is that many people who ARE staying home are still getting infected.

That is very clear from this data point. What is also clear is that there is a certain population that is vulnerable to serious complications and a much larger, broader population of people who is not. Because if as you say staying at home protects people, than we DO know that there are many many people who can't stay at home that according to your theory MUST be getting infected, but they are NOT being hospitalized.

You seem to want to completely dispute that there is any significance to these numbers. But there is enormous significance to them in terms of how effective shutting down really is, and who is likely to suffer serious illness if they do get infected.

I don't know how much clearer I can make this to you so I won't bother to try anymore.
 
We also have to ask ourselves what is the benefit of trying to keep the vast majority who will not have serious complications from getting infected. All that will do is keep immunity in the population to a minimum. The only way we can protect the vulnerable is to shut off pathways to infection. The only way we can do that is increase the number of people who are immune. It's clear that many many vulnerable people are still currently being infected despite the shutdown. We need to let the less vulnerable get infected and develop immunity in order to protect the vulnerable.

This is how most infectious disease works.
 
oneforthebus said:
We also have to ask ourselves what is the benefit of trying to keep the vast majority who will not have serious complications from getting infected. All that will do is keep immunity in the population to a minimum. The only way we can protect the vulnerable is to shut off pathways to infection. The only way we can do that is increase the number of people who are immune. It's clear that many many vulnerable people are still currently being infected despite the shutdown. We need to let the less vulnerable get infected and develop immunity in order to protect the vulnerable.

This is how most infectious disease works.
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In my county the evidence indicates that you are safe everywhere but inside a nursing home.
 
Just....watch. Till the end.

Yet another Dr....laying it out. We're being "had"

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Troglodyte said:
Wow! You are so against the shutdown you’re making the illogical conclusion that unless something works without exception, it doesn’t work at all. Why use any precaution on anything? If 100% of NFL players who suffered concussions were wearing helmets, is the logical conclusion that football helmets never work?
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Once again, it is profound how you go from stupid to stupider. You're at the "danger to society" level now.

So if the quarantine saves ONE life, it is worth it, nevermind the many hundreds of thousands the quarantine will kill ..... am I right?
 
Ron Burgundy said:
In my county the evidence indicates that you are safe everywhere but inside a nursing home.
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Seems to be the consensus for the majority of the country.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
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Curious how long that video stays up on YouTube? And those two Doctors in Kern County CA. whose video was taken down, I sure as hell hope they're filing a lawsuit. There was absolutely no reason for that video to be removed.
 
There ought to be an amendment banning state government from collection of taxes while using an emergency order to restrict freedoms... state governments can never legally displace constitutional rights, but they can revoke a lot of privileges... but when they do so they should not get paid... that would encourage them to only use those actions in dire situations
 
Steelworth said:
Curious how long that video stays up on YouTube? And those two Doctors in Kern County CA. whose video was taken down, I sure as hell hope they're filing a lawsuit. There was absolutely no reason for that video to be removed.
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Dissenting opinions will NOT be tolerated! Get back in your house and do as instructed.
 
Steelr4evr said:
Dissenting opinions will NOT be tolerated! Get back in your house and do as instructed.
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The Three Types of Drunks
By Cheryl A. Pass

If nothing else comes out of this completely insane situation America finds itself in, a bright light is shining on those who are drunk on power, those who are drunk on money, and those who are drunk on fear.

Tin-horn dictators have no place in any position of power in this country, but look at how many showed up at the slightest excuse. If anyone ever wondered how Nazis and Bolsheviks managed to force entire populations into servitude and suffering, wonder no more.

In our case, all it took was an "info-terror" campaign about a virus to turn people to cowering and begging for mercy. It's as if the tin horns have been waiting for this moment to pounce. No doubt.

The Money Drunks are usually a little harder to spot, except now some of them are front and center, telling you how you can make them richer. Buy their tests. Buy their masks. Buy their isolation and distancing programs. Buy their vaccines, albeit coming sometime in the future. Meanwhile, buy at only the "chosen" and "essential" retail outlets.

Note; Bill Gates saying you can never go back to normal unless you are injected with a vaccine, perhaps his vaccine. Contact tracing, anyone? (Sorry, that's not normal, Mr. Bill.) They are just like any other scam artists, only instead of having only one mark on the hook, they now have entire countries on the hook — preferably the whole world.

Now we have the Fear Drunks. The Power Drunks and the Money Drunks need the Fear Drunks to accomplish their scheme. Without the Fear Drunks, the whole scamdemic falls apart. Who knew that so many in our midst would give up their freedoms, even their livelihoods, without a challenge? Or that those who do dare to peaceably challenge would be arrested, fined, threatened, shamed, and silenced? (Facebook and YouTube are deleting any dissenting voices as fast as they can.) In this group, you have those who fear a virus combined with those who fear the Power Drunks and the Money Drunks. So, with the Fear Drunks, we get a triple whammy. Irrational fear can paralyze one person or an entire population, as we now see.

Like any drunk you have ever known, all three of these drunks are manipulating the virus situation to get their next drink. No matter how many lies they tell or temper tantrums they throw, it is all about them. So far, no amount of reason is stopping them because reasonable counter-information is being deleted all over the internet. Doctors, nurses, microbiologists, virologists, health experts are all being denied the ability to tell you their knowledge that opposes the drunks. Did I mention that Facebook and YouTube are deleting any dissenting voices as fast as they can? What does that tell you?

Deny them, and soon! If you don't, there is going to be one huge, irreversible, head-banging, debilitating hangover!

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...of_drunks_facilitating_coronavirus_panic.html


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Nancy needs every AA imaginable.
 
Okay kids. I am officially done with this.

I played the dutiful citizen when we knew nothing about this virus. Now we know that it can be bad, but it is not the plague that will decimate our societies. Yes, people will get sick, and some will die. We still need to protect our most vulnerable, but the rest, get on with it. We have never, in our existence as humans, quarantined the healthy. History will show that this episode will be the worst public policy in the world's history.

I have scheduled an antibody test on Wednesday with Quest Diagnostics, because I think I may have had it. Regardless of the results, I am restarting my life. I can work from home, but I am going to request returning to my office when we go Yellow next Friday. I will wear a mask where required, but I am done with the 6 foot bullshit.

I know many will run with the herd, nodding with bovine approval at everything the governor demands that you can't do.....like make a living. I am officially separating from the herd. And I will be fine.



I am done.
 
hamster said:
Okay kids. I am officially done with this.

I played the dutiful citizen when we knew nothing about this virus. Now we know that it can be bad, but it is not the plague that will decimate our societies. Yes, people will get sick, and some will die. We still need to protect our most vulnerable, but the rest, get on with it. We have never, in our existence as humans, quarantined the healthy. History will show that this episode will be the worst public policy in the world's history.

I have scheduled an antibody test on Wednesday with Quest Diagnostics, because I think I may have had it. Regardless of the results, I am restarting my life.
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Well said and good for you. As for the bolded, sadly I think you're 100% correct. There are going to be a lot of people who are going to have to answer for this, and for all of Trump's warts, he is certainly not one of them (although of course they've already called him a murderer and that he has blood on his hands etc.) Yes some of his comments in the earlier months were ill-advised, to put it lightly, but it's his actions I look at.
 
Frankly,

I don't see anyone on either side of the political aisle arguing that the greatest enemy we faced and still faced was flawed data. I believe some flattening was necessary, but our response to arbitrailly decimate the economy was not. What we needed was to isolate hotspots better and have a rolling shutdown when benchmarks were met. Nowhere should have had more than a 30 day shutdown, and most including my county should not have been shutdown yet. We have blown our wad before the virus even hit here based on state wide actions and federal actions instead of local actions. I think as data developed we could have adapeted, but lets face it the data is still useless. We have an antibody test which is 96% effective. 4 out of every 100 tests are known to be inaccurate, and we don't have enough tests to do several and average results.

We need to reopen.

One way or another, we need to open up and we cannot afford to shut down again.

We have had 22 cases in my county. 18 of them at a college after spring break.

Again, IMHO, the virus isn't even here yet....and we have dance halls opened tonight. Come drink dance and be merry.

I'll continue protecting myself and my family as best as I can and see how this develops.
 
hamster said:
Okay kids. I am officially done with this.

I played the dutiful citizen when we knew nothing about this virus. Now we know that it can be bad, but it is not the plague that will decimate our societies. Yes, people will get sick, and some will die. We still need to protect our most vulnerable, but the rest, get on with it. We have never, in our existence as humans, quarantined the healthy. History will show that this episode will be the worst public policy in the world's history.

I have scheduled an antibody test on Wednesday with Quest Diagnostics, because I think I may have had it. Regardless of the results, I am restarting my life. I can work from home, but I am going to request returning to my office when we go Yellow next Friday. I will wear a mask where required, but I am done with the 6 foot bullshit.

I know many will run with the herd, nodding with bovine approval at everything the governor demands that you can't do.....like make a living. I am officially separating from the herd. And I will be fine.



I am done.
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I think most people are getting to that point now. You will see a dramatic increase of people out and about within the next week or two. We can't hide ourselves away forever and let's face it, this **** will probably come back around like the flu every year. Enough is enough.
 
Gareth said:
Frankly,

I don't see anyone on either side of the political aisle arguing that the greatest enemy we faced and still faced was flawed data. I believe some flattening was necessary, but our response to arbitrailly decimate the economy was not. What we needed was to isolate hotspots better and have a rolling shutdown when benchmarks were met. Nowhere should have had more than a 30 day shutdown, and most including my county should not have been shutdown yet. We have blown our wad before the virus even hit here based on state wide actions and federal actions instead of local actions. I think as data developed we could have adapeted, but lets face it the data is still useless. We have an antibody test which is 96% effective. 4 out of every 100 tests are known to be inaccurate, and we don't have enough tests to do several and average results.

We need to reopen.
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Well said and totally agree.

I live in San Diego County California, where there's a population of 3.38 million (I believe). We've had 169 deaths and I'm sure the good majority are in critical care/nursing home situations. Yet I read something last night that stunned me, and that's that 27% of San Diego is on unemployment now because of this shutdown. That make a lick of sense to you?
 
oneforthebus said:
Yes, the shutdown works to slow the spread to some unknown extent. We have no idea to what extent, because we aren't testing people who are asymptomatic or have mild illness. What we DO know from these numbers is that many people who ARE staying home are still getting infected.

That is very clear from this data point. What is also clear is that there is a certain population that is vulnerable to serious complications and a much larger, broader population of people who is not. Because if as you say staying at home protects people, than we DO know that there are many many people who can't stay at home that according to your theory MUST be getting infected, but they are NOT being hospitalized.

You seem to want to completely dispute that there is any significance to these numbers. But there is enormous significance to them in terms of how effective shutting down really is, and who is likely to suffer serious illness if they do get infected.

I don't know how much clearer I can make this to you so I won't bother to try anymore.
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That is quite different than flatly saying the shutdown hasn’t worked.

I think there is great significance to the numbers. So does South Korea. Unfortunately the US is completely unprepared to deal with this and so we have uncertainty and trepidation in reopening.
 
oneforthebus said:
It's insane.

Here's something that makes absolutely no sense. The IHME model says that right now...CURRENTLY...we are exceeding available ICU beds in Pennsylvania.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/pennsylvania

This is the model that recently doubled total deaths and has everyone in a panic.

But guess what? In actuality we still have 40% of ICU beds available.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/85054b06472e4208b02285b8557f24cf
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Not sure how this works we report to KCHIMS everyday as a nursing home, but I find it hard to believe there are only 7k medical beds available in all of PA. If 45% of medical beds are available your looking at only 13k total medical beds in PA? There is no way that is accurate
 
jitter77 said:
Not sure how this works we report to KCHIMS everyday as a nursing home, but I find it hard to believe there are only 7k medical beds available in all of PA. If 45% of medical beds are available your looking at only 13k total medical beds in PA? There is no way that is accurate
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I had to swing by a hospital on my way home from work yesterday to verify that that's where my decedent was since the rent-a-cops in security din' no nuffin'. Normally their morgue is pretty full because it's also the county morgue but the only body there was the one for my place.
 
A County here in KS- where Dodge City is- has close to 1,000 cases- the highest in the state. It has surpassed Johnson and Wyandotte (where KC is) and Sedgwick (where Wichita is). There is a large meat processing plant there and a lot of farming. 3 weeks ago, there were hardly any cases there. IDK if that is a typical representation for other states with rural populations as well as urban areas, but it does seem strange to me.
 
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